AMD Jaguar news

[kuroikenshi]

there is some new info to SR APU Kaveri...Very interesting

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news...ets-gddr5.aspx

Very intersting read, do you think one would be able to use this GDDR5 as RAMDISK? not that we need it, since DDR3 with a decent OC can give us read speeds of 10GB/s, just wondering.

[EniGmA1987]

Very intersting read, do you think one would be able to use this GDDR5 as RAMDISK? not that we need it, since DDR3 with a decent OC can give us read speeds of 10GB/s, just wondering.

It will most likely work the same way sideport memory did back in the AM2+ days where you had a few RAM chips soldered directly to the motherboard and tied to the GPU only so that it had some dedicated memory that was a bit faster than system memory.
Though what I hope happens is that we could start seeing motherboards with 5 RAM slots, 4 for general system memory and another (colored and keyed differently) that would take a stick of GDDR5 memory. I think this would be more fun because then it would bring more competition to the market so we would see more speed innovation and less cost, and would let the user choose how much memory to give the GPU and what speed grade they want to buy. And who knows, maybe we would also get a bios section for the GDDR5 sticks just like we have right now for DDR3.

[Ivanlabrie]

me wants!
gddr5 ram ocing via bios, with timing tweaking and such. Sounds like fun!

[informal]

Ok forget about Jaguar, it's pretty neat and efficient chip. Just take a look at this
(thanks to Flanker for posting the link in AMD subforum):
http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news...-unveiled.aspx
Basically, in AMD's own "Preliminary BIOS and Kernel Developer's Guide for AMD Family 15h Models 30h-3Fh Processors" (unavailable to public) , GDDR5 is listed, 4-6 SR cores are listed (), hybrid DDR3/GDDR5 memory controller is listed. Kaveri is the next big thing in mainstream x86 computing,period. It will bring features Haswell won't have (GDDR5 support,HSA) and will have commanding lead in iGPU department. Count in the hybrid CFX with 7750 and you have a budget gaming rig from your dreams. For peanuts money(cpu should be ~130$,board 80-100). Win

[Hornet331]

Well I hope you guys gona enjoy it to pay 50-60$ for a stick of 1GB GDDR5 :p

I honestly see no mass adoption for GDDR5 on the consumer market. Its to expensive for the budget market (where this cpu is aimed) and AMDs market share isn't that stellar either. Maybe we'll see some premade small form factor boards with on board GDDR5 (just as SidePort with the 780g). But modules.. nah.

[Ivanlabrie]

I pay 50usd for a 2gb stick of good ddr3 anyway...lol
I find that extremely tempting, if only time moved faster at times.

[The Stilt]

DDR-2400 (2x 64-bit DDR3 IMC): 38.4GB/s
DDR-5000 (4x 32-bit DDR5 IMC): 80.0GB/s

Fast DDR3 is not cheap either.

With that kind of bandwidth the GPUs inside the APUs can (and will) be fast...

[FlanK3r]

50 dollars will be ok, because my idea is, iGPU with gddr5 will be only for A8/A10. Others model would have classic iGPU model with DRAM communications. And whats better? DDR3 is limited in bandwith for GPU, now with Richland/Trinity you need to buy 1866+ MHz DRAM (ideal around 2133-2400 MHz for more than 50 usd) for the best gaming frames. With Kaveri A10 will be OK some cheap DDR3 for CPU (1600-1866) and GDDR5 "inside the chip" for iGPU. As the best performance ratio. SO maybe for complet you pay +30 USD, this is nothing for the best APU series.

[STEvil]

DDR-2400 (2x 64-bit DDR3 IMC): 38.4GB/s
DDR-5000 (4x 32-bit DDR5 IMC): 80.0GB/s

Fast DDR3 is not cheap either.

With that kind of bandwidth the GPUs inside the APUs can (and will) be fast...

I want a slot to add ram for APU's, kind of like you could do for P1's to add cache back in the day..

[xBanzai89]

Ok forget about Jaguar, it's pretty neat and efficient chip. Just take a look at this
(thanks to Flanker for posting the link in AMD subforum):
http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news...-unveiled.aspx
Basically, in AMD's own "Preliminary BIOS and Kernel Developer's Guide for AMD Family 15h Models 30h-3Fh Processors" (unavailable to public) , GDDR5 is listed, 4-6 SR cores are listed (), hybrid DDR3/GDDR5 memory controller is listed. Kaveri is the next big thing in mainstream x86 computing,period. It will bring features Haswell won't have (GDDR5 support,HSA) and will have commanding lead in iGPU department. Count in the hybrid CFX with 7750 and you have a budget gaming rig from your dreams. For peanuts money(cpu should be ~130$,board 80-100). Win

This makes me kind of excited. 6 cores? I'd buy this chip in a heart beat.

[tbone8ty]

I think the gddr5 controller is mostly there for freedom fabric seamicro servers. But with ps4 using it im sure it will create some cool stuff for developers

[geo]

@Hornet
think of this like the Intel BGA , only in this case you get a GPU and GDDR5, ie CPU + Board + GPU + RAM = if all this is under $400. Its a win for AMD. no matter how you see it. After all , Most people game on 1080p single monitor or a TV.

[Stukov]

Well I hope you guys gona enjoy it to pay 50-60$ for a stick of 1GB GDDR5 :p

I honestly see no mass adoption for GDDR5 on the consumer market. Its to expensive for the budget market (where this cpu is aimed) and AMDs market share isn't that stellar either. Maybe we'll see some premade small form factor boards with on board GDDR5 (just as SidePort with the 780g). But modules.. nah.

Last I'd seen people talking about BoM on graphic cards the cost per GB of GDDR5 was at least half that. Bulk price per GB sounded like $15-25. Obviously the cost might be higher for end users, but especially considering scale of economics (GDDR5 is already widely mass produced and a semi-competitive market) I would think $40 per stick would be an average price for the middle end of frequency chips.

[Rollo]

Count in the hybrid CFX with 7750 and you have a budget gaming rig from your dreams. For peanuts money(cpu should be ~130$,board 80-100). Win

Hybrid CFx (and whatever NVIDIA called it when they did this) are probably worthless.

There is no way the very weak gpu on a CPU/APU/motherboard can add much to a real video card.

Given what we're starting to find out about frame latency lately, I bet throwing these weak GPUs into the mix actually makes the gaming experience worse. Can't think of how running a 10fps GPU with a 30fps GPU in AFR can work out well.

[STEvil]

Hybrid CFx (and whatever NVIDIA called it when they did this) are probably worthless.

There is no way the very weak gpu on a CPU/APU/motherboard can add much to a real video card.

Given what we're starting to find out about frame latency lately, I bet throwing these weak GPUs into the mix actually makes the gaming experience worse. Can't think of how running a 10fps GPU with a 30fps GPU in AFR can work out well.

You did notice he said a 7750, right?

[Rollo]

You did notice he said a 7750, right?

I did, assumed those are more powerul than onboard.

Even if they're not, I don't like really low end CF/Sli in general. The reviews I've seen show MS rises as you go down the food chain, so I've always thought of CF/Sli as mainly a high end solution.

Would welcome data that shows me wrong and change my opinion.

[Iconyu]

I did, assumed those are more powerul than onboard.

Even if they're not, I don't like really low end CF/Sli in general. The reviews I've seen show MS rises as you go down the food chain, so I've always thought of CF/Sli as mainly a high end solution.

Would welcome data that shows me wrong and change my opinion.

AMD onboard is pretty strong, but it's hampered by dual channel ddr3, a build using ddr5 could be close to or maybe faster than a 7750, depending on what AMD pack into this APU. It would be reasonably quick. But 8gb of ddr5 probably won't be cheap even considering the amount GPU makers go through each year.

[informal]

7750 in CF is not slow combo . And Kaveri with onboard 512SP iGPU coupled with fast(er) DDRx(be it GDDR5 or DDR3 2133+) will fit well with the 7750 in hybrid CF. It will be AMD's best chance to capture the value desktop market if they manage to get a healthy volume out by the Q2 2014.

[Rollo]

7750 in CF is not slow combo . And Kaveri with onboard 512SP iGPU coupled with fast(er) DDRx(be it GDDR5 or DDR3 2133+) will fit well with the 7750 in hybrid CF. It will be AMD's best chance to capture the value desktop market if they manage to get a healthy volume out by the Q2 2014.

One man's "dream gaming" can be another's "pretty unusable".

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/H...ssFire/22.html

7750 CF is only equivalent to a 6870 in terms of average framerates, which means it's going to be much worse in terms of latency and uniform performance across games.

I had a 6870 back in 2010, and it was indeed OK for 1080P gaming back then, but these days CF reaching that is not optimal. Been enjoying my 7970CF a lot, but I think you can do a lot better than 7750CF pretty cheap.

That graph shows a 560Ti as a big step up, and those are going for $175 new and $120-$150 on Ebay.

Sorry just can't buy into the low end CF or SLi, too easy to get better performance with cheap single cards.

[Jethro]

Very compelling upgrade path for budget desktop pc users. Anyone with an FX or less cpu and an 77xx series card gets a 2 for 1 upgrade in fact.

[LightSpeed]

Hybrid CF or not, if there is indeed GDDR5 for the iGPU it will be very interesting indeed as the iGPU cant really get much faster without being bandwidth constrained

[bamtan2]

jaguar is probably good fun, but there's no reason to believe amd has beaten intel at anything. most likely jaguar will have trouble finding a niche just like the other recent amd chips.

the new intel core will be faster, and the new intel atom will be lower power. that's my opinion on that

[Rollo]

jaguar is probably good fun, but there's no reason to believe amd has beaten intel at anything. most likely jaguar will have trouble finding a niche just like the other recent amd chips.

the new intel core will be faster, and the new intel atom will be lower power. that's my opinion on that

If they're counting on people with 7750s and cpus less powerful than Jaguars as the target market, the pickings might be slim:

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/

7750s only racked up .58% of the DX11 market.

But the ways of parts this low on the food chain are pretty much unknown to me and always have been, so who knows? Maybe there's a Jaguar landslide building.

[zalbard]

Why are we talking about desktop market, anyway? Jaguar strikes me as a [low power] notebook solution. With balanced CPU and GPU parts and reasonable cost it may prove to be a competitive product.

[Rollo]

Why are we talking about desktop market, anyway? Jaguar strikes me as a [low power] notebook solution. With balanced CPU and GPU parts and reasonable cost it may prove to be a competitive product.

Good point. This with a 7750 notebook equivalent in hybrid CF would be pretty bad ass. As intel/NV would have to go with a higher end NV chip to compete, this could be a very good deal for notebooks.