Crysis 3: AMD FX CPUs dominate, INTEL left behind

[mbreslin]

The thread title alone is a troll beacon which is a bit tabloid sensationalized.

It's a totally flagrant use of the term dominate, especially when Intel in the same chart is actually at the top.

"a bit" is the understatement of the year. It seems if you have 300$ or less to spend and crysis 3 is what you care about AMD wins. No doubt as someone mentioned working more closely with game devs has helped AMD.

That said the title isn't remotely accurate.

I'll never understand how people have these crazy loyalties, neither of these companies gives less than a banana about any of us, and are actually required by law (fiduciary responsibility) to simply make as much money off you as they can.

[clo007]

Or a 3 year old I7 970 / 980, or a slight overclock on a quad core I7.

Exactly. funny how that test shows none of the older i7 970/980/980x/990x in it. I am sure all 4 of those versions would be above the FX and AMD does not want that to be seen.

[w0mbat]

And yes, I'm sorry that the titel is a bit misleading. That's because I just took the German titel of the news page "Crysis 3 im CPU-Test: AMDs FX-Prozessoren dominieren unsere Benchmarks" and translated it.

A better titel would be: "AMD FX CPUs performing much better than expected, FX-8350 outperforming i7-3770K". Can I change the titel?

[Mungri]

You can't compare clock speeds like that...A core 2 duo at 1.8ghz beats a 4ghz p4 prescott 478 chip for example, similarly as an athlon fx57 beats it with less clocks.
You could compare either stock or an average overclock on air to be fair.

Yes - comparing clock for clock shows which architecture is weaker / stronger, which was my point.

[w0mbat]

No, it does not. If I build a small, slim core that does 4-5GHz and performs as good as a big, broad core with 3-4GHz, you cannot compare them.

[Ivanlabrie]

It's not a fair comparison when you factor in oc...so, compare stock and average oc on air for better reference.
We need cheaper intel prices so I don't get why some folks complain :p

[informal]

Yes - comparing clock for clock shows which architecture is weaker / stronger, which was my point.

Frequency is part of the design... As wombat said, if you could buy a 8T CPU with relative IPC of only 0.6 but clocking at stock 5Ghz would you pick that one or the 8T product from other company that has relative "IPC" of say 1 (so much higher) but clocking at 3Ghz? In both cases you get comparable performance but what if the 1st product has higher OC headroom than the 2nd? As can be seen from this crude example both clock and IPC are performance parameters that are part of design and should not be looked at separately.

Also what will happen if AMD maintain high clocking part of the design but drastically improve the lightly threaded performance(by 20+%)? SR is exactly built with this in mind and I seriously have no idea how some of you guys would react to SR if it delivers on that promise?

[IanB]

it's refreshing to see the upper hand on the other foot.

Damn that's good. I hope someone sigs it.

[zanzabar]

No, it does not. If I build a small, slim core that does 4-5GHz and performs as good as a big, broad core with 3-4GHz, you cannot compare them.

how so, things clocked the same would compare how the architecture handles things; i guess you could also go by watt, but then things are not even close. crysis3 uses something like 16 theads in its process, and will split int and float work to only even or only odd and on separate threads, but is not using HT with intel (it seams to only be loading 1 active thread per core but it is heavy into simple int work where HT would shine.) it is very optimized for amd (something that is awesome,) but they first/only one. the 4module chip and MB are still more than the 3570k and a MB. the good that is may do is 1) intel might up the clock speed for the 1150 chips (like they should have for the IB,) and 2) this looks really good for amd when the next gen consoles come out and they are both supposed to be using the next gen amd modules.

It's not a fair comparison when you factor in oc...so, compare stock and average oc on air for better reference.
We need cheaper intel prices so I don't get why some folks complain :p

exactly, i like the competition, but people are reading to much into it. this is the 1st win for amd since the BD came out so it is not an unexpected reaction.

[solofly]

And yes it's a misleading little...

HAHAHA that's pretty funny, WhoTF wrote that...?

That's my new way of spelling title...lol

[Mungri]

It does appear to be using HT, look at the I5 vs I7 results.

[papatsonis]

is it really un-noticed the GK110...? or what?(21 feb release date, NDA off) GTX Titan at 1280x720 a mere of 56fps...??? (that's the real "message"...:S)

[zanzabar]

It does appear to be using HT, look at the I5 vs I7 results.

it looks like clock speed difference to me, but i dont have the game.

[mbreslin]

is it really un-noticed the GK110...? or what?(21 feb release date, NDA off) GTX Titan at 1280x720 a mere of 56fps...??? (that's the reall "message"...:S)

Hard to know if that speaks to titan being weak or crysis 3 being insanely demanding.

[Mungri]

Ah even better to just look at the third and fourth CPU on the list, only 100 MHz difference and ones a HT chip and the other isn't.

The CPU names past SB confuse me too much, I can't remember what is what.

Now it would be nice to compare a clock for clock I5 vs I7 to confirm if the HT makes any difference.

[Hornet331]

how so, things clocked the same would compare how the architecture handles things; i guess you could also go by watt, but then things are not even close. crysis3 uses something like 16 theads in its process, and will split int and float work to only even or only odd and on separate threads, but is not using HT with intel (it seams to only be loading 1 active thread per core but it is heavy into simple int work where HT would shine.) it is very optimized for amd (something that is awesome,) but they first/only one. the 4module chip and MB are still more than the 3570k and a MB. the good that is may do is 1) intel might up the clock speed for the 1150 chips (like they should have for the IB,) and 2) this looks really good for amd when the next gen consoles come out and they are both supposed to be using the next gen amd modules.

hopefully this will lead to intel bringing down hexas to the mainstream platform and opening up octas for the performance sector.

[Mungri]

Its only one game, I doubt that will affect Intel's pricing.

[DefStar]

You Intel fan boys are so pathetic...you actually feel a pinch to your pride when AMD gets a win. Its been pretty obvious that multi-core optimized code has been on its way and AMD prepped for it but lacked the muscle to push it. AMD's design works. Intel's design works. I mean really, do you think what CPU you use has any significance to your intelligence? Intel's CPUs are overpriced to me...I'm not willingly handing over more money than i should to the mafia...they will just use it to pay off another settlement and never learn their lesson.

[Mungri]

Erm, but Intel won .... Never mind, don't let blatant figures cloud your love / jealousy towards AMD / Intel.

And regarding the price argument, say you only have $300 to spend on a GPU, that doesn't mean that a 7870 beats a Titan.

[tbone8ty]

wow this thread was posted today!? lol is this some kind of record?

[dasa]

athlon x4 beating q9550?
athlon x2 beating i3 530?

what gets me is how far intel cpu's seem to have fallen in performance in these reviews
intels performance has more than halved while amd has taken a relativity small hit
now if it was just the new fx processors that were doing better i could understand but across the hole line? sorry but i have some doubts and think something might be wrong with crysis 3 that is gimping intel cpu's in these tests
happy to be proven wrong though

test linked earlier> http://i.imgur.com/0nIkCAb.jpg

my net is caped and im having trouble loading web pages so i am having trouble finding the difference between these tests

[Mungri]

The first link you posted there tells a completely different story.

Cool, its embedded now. I suppose that's going to make the people thinking that AMD had won cry.

[NEOAethyr]

Pretty funny stuff...

Anyone that has ever did any research on it or anything would know that intel are faster, have been for some time.
At least by 300-500 mhz worth, to close that gap (clocking up the amd).
I say 300 because that's what mine needed to get close to an older intel I think 3 years ago, maybe longer.
In pcsx2...

Crises 3 comes out tomarrow.
You can play it now if you're south korean supposedly... ^^
I never played 1, or 2 or that other one., heard 2 sucked and 1 was good.

No offense to amd.
But they have piss poor mem and cache performance.
And they're faking an 8 core, intel doesn't even mislable there chips like that.
If they actually sold a real 8 core at $300 I would buy it...

And btw ipc means instructions per clock...
Not every single instruction can exe within a clock, some reg's are faster then others...

I'm sorry, I can't help it.
I some of you guys wanna pretend that amd is faster then go ahead...
Have fun with that, I know that's what overclocking is for but still...

Though, the 3770k is a quad core as well.
In that sense it is possible for amd to get the upper hand.
But it would be rare.
It's some sort of scheduling or something I'm guessing.

The thing is, integer's them self's are not that taxing on the cpu, stable at lower voltages then what the fpu instructions usually need.
If you wanted to, if your os was not using any fpu instructions at all, you could clock your cpu way higher.
But I don't think they have independant clocks...

Anyways amd only has 4 fpu's..
They only way I can think of, is that they simulated there fpu instructions with the normal registers.
It's possible in asm to do that..., I do it because I don't even know how to use the fpu never got into it...
Or they just took advantage of more normal registers, twice as much.

I don't know.
I haven't seen any benches on that...
I think it may be all down to when it's a good idea to access an fpu and when it's a bad idea on the amd's.

No offense to anyone or anything, I'm just rambling on...

[Piledriver]

No Crysis isn't "heavily optimized" for AMD, it's just multi-threaded, AMD was already competitive with Intel in multi-threaded apps.

IPC = instructions per clock, 100 instructions x 10 clock = 10 instructions x 100 clock. So how does comparing clock for clock proves anything?

Who can say Bulldozer with Intel fabrication process would have not ended better than sandy bridge?


intel fanboys better pray gpu accelerated software takes it time going mainstream otherwise looking at this thread they gonna need a lot of antacids.

[informal]

That was an early Alpha build. You can see how poorly it was optimized. Final build runs good on AMD cpus as both PCGH and Russian GameGPU has demonstrated (linked on first page).