Current State and Future of AMD Radeon Graphics: Teleconference Transcript

[Final8ty]

http://www.techpowerup.com/180345/Cu...ranscript.html

[kromosto]

1. they didn't mentioned anything about price of titan. so titan can make a surprise for us about its price.
2. if amd can make developers make games with 11.1 then i can easily say yes they got them.

[onewingedangel]

ARES II costs nearly ?1200. That is more than 1.5x the price of a GTX 690, which will likely be similar to the pricepoint of Titan. If Titan costs less than the GTX 690 the ARES II will be competing with 2xTitan in SLI not in single GPU configuration.
ARES II is reliant on crossfire scaling for it's performance, single-card Titan will not have any multi-GPU scaling issues.
ARES II is priced ridiculously compared to 2x 7970 Ghz Edition cards - nearly twice the price - leaving ?500 for custom watercooling should you want to better ARES II performance.
ARES II is a power-hog compared to a GTX 690 and equal to two 7970 GE cards in Crossfire.
There is no way I can buy this spin that the ARES II is in anyway comparable to a regular SKU. It is a purely marketing-driven product that makes very little sense to purchase.

If AMD had just said that they were focussing on the ?300-350 price point for the high-end (HD7970) and leaving higher price points to their partners, whose products such as the HD7990 and ARES II would compete with the competitors higher priced products it would have come off far better. AMD can defend and promote their product line-up in terms of their market position, so why they would try and spin it this way, when it is clearly spin, is beyond me.

*Pound sign is showing up as a question marks when I post to board.*

[kromosto]

here ARESII is 2500 usd a little lower then 2x price of 690.

i agree with what you said. also titan is a marketing driven product. single card with that price is senseless but if you compare it to aresii it is more logical then anything.

[crash5s]

1. they didn't mentioned anything about price of titan. so titan can make a surprise for us about its price.
2. if amd can make developers make games with 11.1 then i can easily say yes they got them.

Isn't 11.1 tied to windows 8 though? If so making games in it will be kinda stupid. How many people are actually moving to 8, it seems to be less popular than vista.

[kromosto]

Isn't 11.1 tied to windows 8 though? If so making games in it will be kinda stupid. How many people are actually moving to 8, it seems to be less popular than vista.

yes but it wont hurt windows7 users but will favour win8 amd users

[Lanek]

ARES II costs nearly ?1200. That is more than 1.5x the price of a GTX 690, which will likely be similar to the pricepoint of Titan. If Titan costs less than the GTX 690 the ARES II will be competing with 2xTitan in SLI not in single GPU configuration.
ARES II is reliant on crossfire scaling for it's performance, single-card Titan will not have any multi-GPU scaling issues.
ARES II is priced ridiculously compared to 2x 7970 Ghz Edition cards - nearly twice the price - leaving ?500 for custom watercooling should you want to better ARES II performance.
ARES II is a power-hog compared to a GTX 690 and equal to two 7970 GE cards in Crossfire.
There is no way I can buy this spin that the ARES II is in anyway comparable to a regular SKU. It is a purely marketing-driven product that makes very little sense to purchase.

If AMD had just said that they were focussing on the ?300-350 price point for the high-end (HD7970) and leaving higher price points to their partners, whose products such as the HD7990 and ARES II would compete with the competitors higher priced products it would have come off far better. AMD can defend and promote their product line-up in terms of their market position, so why they would try and spin it this way, when it is clearly spin, is beyond me.

*Pound sign is showing up as a question marks when I post to board.*

I agree with you for the AresII, but thats not the only 7990.. and it look like some new models will come .. I think his point was more to put the emphasis on the 7990 instead of pushing only the AresII . ( but its a monster, higher clock of reference 7970Ghz (1100mhz ) )..The card is nowhere comparable, even with the 690 ( because it is not a reference card, but a complete non reference limited version ( PCB, power, hybride h2o/air cooler etc etc ). But today it is the most monstruous gpu never been made (even TDP and price wise lol ) and this is surely why they was use this comparaison. ( whatever we like this gpu or not ) .

The Titan perf will not be on the same level of a 2x or dual 7970 or a dual 680/690 in term of performance. ( i dont like too compare 2 gpu on a single board or not with a single gpu, but cant blame them to do it if they are not ready to release Sea Island soon. )

[himaro]

Isn't 11.1 tied to windows 8 though? If so making games in it will be kinda stupid. How many people are actually moving to 8, it seems to be less popular than vista.

I'm not sure.
granted it's different from what we're used too, but some of the IT guys i work with used it for a a month and then went back to Win7 and actually said they preferred it and have since re-installed it.

After wasting my whole lunch break at work reading it, i get the general impression that AMD really don't care for Nvidia's roadmap and they don't see it as a threat.
they're comments boareder on inviting Nvidia to do better and hit back at them, which makes me think they have something up there sleeve that they're not telling us about
i felt a little dig going in with this comment

Roy: "We should make it clear that NVIDIA is a good company, and we respect their attempted transition into being a smartphone company."

It's nice to see the underdog landing some heavy punches again.

[crash5s]

yes but it wont hurt windows7 users but will favour win8 amd users

I'm not so sure about that. One of the biggest hurdles DX10 had was the amount of people who refused to move to vista. There's little point in game makers aggressively supporting the next best thing if people aren't buying the hardware or the OS to support it. Just keep in mind that it really wasn't until Windows 7 came around that a majority of people had a DX10 capable OS.

There are some good things you can say about Windows 8, but almost all of the revolving around thin and light laptops with touch enabled screens. Not that there is anything wrong with that, it's what most people want, but they are hardly relevant for gaming.

[kromosto]

dx11.1 does not put much on dx11 and believe me what game developers will do to support dx11.1 will not take much of their time. also this is for mostly marketing.

[cx-ray]

Isn't 11.1 tied to windows 8 though? If so making games in it will be kinda stupid. How many people are actually moving to 8, it seems to be less popular than vista.

Saw this a while back:
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/new...ures_after_all

[Greg83]

i understand no new gpu for the 2013th year. they didn't put 13th floors in buildings either. skipped to the 14th.
plus it makes sense. all the consoles also skipping 13th year waiting for 14th
and this gives 1 more whole year of directly optimizing games for 7000 series . which will be in all next gen consoles.

[AMDforME]

No new "GPU" until Q4 of '13 but new GPU products throughout '13 based on existing GPU chippy.