Geforce Titan - GK110 will be a consumer part

[stangracin3]

Yikes, you don't know what you are talking about. Just google any recent mobile marketshare of discrete mobile AMD vs Nvidia and you will be shocked that Nvidia has a pretty sizable lead in the mobile space. The only way AMD catches up is if they start including their integration GPU found in fusion. But that a market Nvidia can't even enter because they don't make a CPU.

IF your saying AMD cornered the market on GPU's along with Intel. It is fairer to say that Intel has corned the entire GPU market altogether because I wouldn't even put Nvidia and AMD in the same league as Intel if we include integrated market share. AMD mobile chips still sell badly and their margins are so bad on their fusion chips in general that they have a hard time making money.

Rollo sometimes does spread misinformation, but if your going to do the same your no better. The bias in your post reminds me of Charlie from semiaccurate. E.g talking about woodscrews still, saying oem's don't trust Nvidia, Nvidia has lost the discrete market in general because of integrated. AMD and Nvidia share the market equally at the moment(Nvidia has a lead in the desktop marketshare too). Look at there revenue numbers.

I never said it had to be discrete... So don't put words in my mouth.
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According to the above link AMD is above 1/5 of market share. I can't find anything newer for laptops.

As for the wood screws and 6150 comments.
So treating your customers like idiots is completely ok?

[dasa]

while it would be nice for consoles to be capable of 1080p i hope most of the better games are made at 720p simply due to the fact that it will allow them to look nicer on pc than a 1080p console port would as they should be able to squeeze some extra detail into the console games at a lower res

[zanzabar]

while it would be nice for consoles to be capable of 1080p i hope most of the better games are made at 720p simply due to the fact that it will allow them to look nicer on pc than a 1080p console port would as they should be able to squeeze some extra detail into the console games at a lower res

the current reason for running 720p is the lack of vram, and that limits the quality that we get on pc. i would rather see everything high quality models/textures and extra effects on the pc.

[purefun65]

the current reason for running 720p is the lack of vram, and that limits the quality that we get on pc. i would rather see everything high quality models/textures and extra effects on the pc.

i agree and i hope this becomes the standard for the new console games ported to pc.

[safan80]

Is there even a game that allows 4k resolution right now? Or that comes out in 2013?

I don't think so.

Once monitors are released to the consumer you'll be able to play games at 4k... Some games allow the user to set their own resolution.

[stangracin3]

Once monitors are released to the consumer you'll be able to play games at 4k... Some games allow the user to set their own resolution.

There are also alot that will let you change it outside of the game. Just find the config file and you can change it there most of the time. IIRC the whole C&C series can do this.

[dasa]

the current reason for running 720p is the lack of vram, and that limits the quality that we get on pc. i would rather see everything high quality models/textures and extra effects on the pc.

that is part of it although textures is the biggest consumer of vram
for example doubling the the res can double the load on the gpu and significantly increase the need for memory bandwidth but it doesnt double the amount of memory requiered in most games
still we have 3-6g gpu available now and you can by 32g ddr3 ram for $140 which is very affordable just not worth it while games are only using ~2-3gb ram
so imo the more they can cram into new consoles at a lower res the better as it will still be below what pc are capable of if they do a half decent job of porting it

[aussie-revhead]

Uu

I'd expect any GK110-based consumer card to be a special-edition gap-filler before a GK114(scaled up GK104)-based GTX 780 is released at a more affordable price pointYu
I feel it would be akin to Intels release of the first Pentium 4 Extreme Edition using the Gallatin Xeon - rather than be embarrassed by the competition, pull a product from your enterprise line to hold the fort if only for marketing/publicity purposes.

Ok so GK110 will be the "Big Kepler" we were all waiting for last round and GK114 will be the true successor? Maybe by Christmas?

[Darakian]

So the $64,000 question is "do they gimp the compute performance for the consumer card". If not this card could end up being a big hit for some.

[Lanek]

So the $64,000 question is "do they gimp the compute performance for the consumer card". If not this card could end up being a big hit for some.

Yet we have just one rumor from Sweclockers: a card " possibly named Titan ", will come using GK110... all the rest of the article is a description of the K20x as reference on explain what is GK110 ...

- The K20x who is compatible with workstation cost 3400-3499 $.. this is the lower Tesla K20 parts with 2496CC and 5GB of memory. with low clock. ( 3.52 Tflops SP / 1.17 Tflops DP / 208gb/s ( ECC off ).
- Nvidia will offcourse disable some "non essential features " for consumers: ECC ( it remove directly 12.5% of memory available ), but if the "Titan" is released at 900$ and come with performance like the K20 ( 2688CC ) i dont see this card coming with similar spec of the Tesla series, maybe gimp a bit the DP ratio ( 1/4 instead of 1/3 ). lower memory etc etc.

Now the question remain, if this price is correct, what it mean in term of availability, or is it just the top card at 500$ who will be declined to lower parts then ( 780-770-760TI ).

[Darakian]

If there's one thing that the computer world has taught me over the years; it's that there is always someone willing to pay top dollar for top performance. The $/perf ratio might be crap, but if the margins are high enough, then nvidia will make money on it. I really hope it doesn't do 64bit compute at 1/24 like the rest of the kepler line.

[Lanek]

If there's one thing that the computer world has taught me over the years; it's that there is always someone willing to pay top dollar for top performance. The $/perf ratio might be crap, but if the margins are high enough, then nvidia will make money on it. I really hope it doesn't do 64bit compute at 1/24 like the rest of the kepler line.

Yes, but i dont see a lot of peoples paying 900$ for a single "gamer gpu card".. its a non sense, even more if it is in limited quantity. ( something who suggest this price ). It make sense for clean Tesla parts who have not been qualified. but even for the geforce series for 2013, it will bring trouble. ( even if they release a second "titan " card, what will be the price ? 780$ ? )..

Better release a quadro at this price if you count hit "compute " and workstation users .

Or this card come at a normal price: 550$, GK110, 384bits memory bus and 3-6Gb ...

Asus, MSI etc can release a special single gpu card at 750$, with watercooling, own PCB, military component, high OC; voltage mod etc in low quantity, a demonstration card of there capabilities, but a card like that from a brand like Nvidia or AMD, at 900$.. huuum.

I trust something with GK110 is coming, but the rumor we have now have too much incoherency at my sense..

[Ket]

I'd like a scrap more performance, but I run 2560x1600... turning down one notch of antialiasing or whatnot for minimal visual impact generally "fixes" my framerate to a high, solid number though .

This is where we differ a bit then, AA doesn't bother me too much, 2x clears up most the jaggies and 4x gets rid of them completely. Don't need more than that if running 1680 or 1920+ IMO.

[zalbard]

So, any speculations regarding the dual chip card?

[Lanek]

So, any speculations regarding the dual chip card?

If this Titan is a single chip card at 900 USD, i can allready speculate about the price of the dual one lol ,

[boxleitnerb]

I don't think there will be a dual chip card based on GK110. GK204, yes.

[Rollo]

I never said it had to be discrete... So don't put words in my mouth.
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According to the above link AMD is above 1/5 of market share. I can't find anything newer for laptops.

No need to put words in your mouth, you post misinformation then prove yourself wrong.

You said:

You also have to remember OEM's don't really trust Nvidia to make mobile chips anymore after the mobile 6150 days so there is another market that AMD and Intel completely have taken over.

Then you posted a link with:

•AMD’s total shipments of heterogeneous GPU/CPUs, i.e., APUs dropped 13.8% .... and 6.7% in notebooks. Nvidia’s desktop discrete shipments dropped 10.4% from last quarter; however, the company increased mobile discrete shipments 19.2%

So from your own link we see that a. NVIDIA's discrete mobile rose 19% while AMD's notebook shipments dropped almost 7%, in the market (mobile chips) you say AMD and intel have "completely taken over".

NVIDIA didn't leave the IGP market because "OEMs didn't trust them", they left because they don't make motherboards anymore per their cross licensing agreement with intel. Also, you said "mobile chips" which includes mobile discrete, where not only is NVIDIA totally dominating AMD with a 2-1 market share as shown by the link in my prior reply, but NVIDIA's market share rose greatly in Q2 and Q3 last year.

No Q3 numbers you can find? Let me help:

http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/08/n...2013-earnings/

How can this be? NVIDiA recording record revenues when you say their markets are limited and they're on the way out.

http://jonpeddie.com/press-releases/...intel-dropped/

So in NVIDIA's market share rose over 19%, while AMDs dropped over 10%.

You need to think long and hard about posting I don't know what I'm talking about when you are posting what amounts to AMD's fantasies.

You have to include IGP to get your "1/5 of all GPUs" but even at that AMDs market share is plummeting while NVIDIA's rises on all fronts.

All that said, if Titan based cards cost over $600 I won't be buying. There's nothing out my 680 SLi doesn't play well at 25 X 16, and I'd even say my single 7970 does very well at 25X16.

If I were buying a solution for my main rig I would likely buy one as it's always better to get a level of performance from one gpu than two, but not enough so I'll switch.

[LordEC911]

Ok so GK110 will be the "Big Kepler" we were all waiting for last round and GK114 will be the true successor? Maybe by Christmas?

If there is a GK114... I would expect it no later than summer, hopefully sometime Q2.
If a Geforce based GK110(14-15SMX) really is ~70-80% the performance of GTX690, one would expect the cutdown version(12-13SMX(?)) to be under that ~15-20%.
That would leave a window for a product ~25-40% faster than GTX680, which is a bit more than what a respun GK104 could do. GK114 then would be a slight evolution of Gk104, toss in an extra SMX or two and clocks might see a slight bump.

IMO- Those performance estimates, based off of GK110 vs GTX690, seems a bit high though, on the other hand, Nvidia has been relatively flawless with their Kepler execution.
I would expect something more conservative; ~50-60% the performance of GTX690 for GK110 leaving room for a slightly tweaked GK114(architecturally) with no extra units but higher clocks to fill the gap, aka 10-20% over GTX680.

Yet we have just one rumor from Sweclockers: a card " possibly named Titan ", will come using GK110... all the rest of the article is a description of the K20x as reference on explain what is GK110 ...

Most mention that for clocks to remain high we will most likely see a disabled SMX in a Geforce card, so 14SMXs for the highend.

I don't think there will be a dual chip card based on GK110. GK204, yes.

Actually, I would be more inclined to think that they have been playing it a bit more careful than that and we will see a GK114 based dual card, though I wouldn't completely rule out a GK204 sometime later this year.

[Olivon]

Bring the big boy nVidia !

[boxleitnerb]

Actually, I would be more inclined to think that they have been playing it a bit more careful than that and we will see a GK114 based dual card, though I wouldn't completely rule out a GK204 sometime later this year.

I think there is no GK114, it is named GK204 instead. Remember the former Nvidia employee who mentioned working on a GK208 GPU? That indicates that there will be a 2xx naming scheme.

[Olivon]

Based on other conversations I have had recently you should only expect those same partners that were able to sell the GTX 690 to stock this new GK110-based part. There won't be any modifications and you will see very little differentiation between vendors branding on it. If dates are to be believed, we are hearing that a Feb 25th (or at least that week) launch is the current target.

http://www.pcper.com/news/Graphics-C...-late-February

[LordEC911]

I think there is no GK114, it is named GK204 instead. Remember the former Nvidia employee who mentioned working on a GK208 GPU? That indicates that there will be a 2xx naming scheme.

Hmmm... must have missed that or just don't recall it.
Thanks for the info.

[Particle]

The answer to the question of which games even allow 4K is:
Basically any modern game engine. Fixed resolutions being pre-defined is mostly a staple of old games and indie games. When PC monitors went from 4:3 to 16:10, developers of game engines mostly addressed that problem by just detecting which display resolutions are currently available to the system and offering those.

My statement about where this card would even be useful is:
I'm tired of the cyclical argument people have about current need. If something fast or big is released, it's labeled useless by the same people who would be chastising the creators for taking so long if it were currently necessary.

That being said, I personally would find it immediately useful for Battlefield 3. I've yet to play that game on hardware that gives me acceptable performance the way I want to play the game.

[[XC] hipno650]

The answer to the question of which games even allow 4K is:
Basically any modern game engine. Fixed resolutions being pre-defined is mostly a staple of old games and indie games. When PC monitors went from 4:3 to 16:10, developers of game engines mostly addressed that problem by just detecting which display resolutions are currently available to the system and offering those.

My statement about where this card would even be useful is:
I'm tired of the cyclical argument people have about current need. If something fast or big is released, it's labeled useless by the same people who would be chastising the creators for taking so long if it were currently necessary.

That being said, I personally would find it immediately useful for Battlefield 3. I've yet to play that game on hardware that gives me acceptable performance the way I want to play the game.

I completely agree. I always get a kick out of the people who like to say we don't need any more performance. they may be right in the fact that a single 680 or 7970 will due most games and gamers fine without issue. but it doesn't mean that I don' WANT a new and faster card. are my 3 GTX 480 able to play any game on the market with my current monitor totally maxed? absolutely they are. do I want 3 or 4 of these new cards. absolutely I do.

sometimes is not just about what is good enough but its what you WANT. and there is always a way to bring a modern GPU setup to it's knees. are they some what crazy? yes but there is not a setup out there that will tolerate 3x30 inch monitors for certain games when you turn EVERYTHING UP. and I don't mean most things I mean every single setting.

I say bring the new cards on. and I wouldn't worry about the price. the price will be normalized by the market. if the next competing solution is a pair of GTX 680's then it will cost what a pair of them cost.

[Particle]

Heck, I can't even play BF3 on a single monitor (WQHD) at high settings without the game feeling unresponsive in multiplayer, yet alone enjoy eyefinity. That is with an overclocked 3930K and dual 6970s. I'm with you; bring out the new cards. There is money in my pocket waiting for a pair of 8970s or whatever else out there strikes me as new, faster, and interesting at a given moment.