Intel killing replaceable processors

[bearcatrp]

Hope this isn't true...
http://semiaccurate.com/2012/11/26/i...cs-go-with-it/

[n00b 0f l337]

Just based off the URL...

Wait what?

[CrazyNutz]

I call BS. I don't think they are trying to kill off the desktop or sockets for that matter. They just are positioning Broadwell in the tablet, ulv internet device market. That's a smart move for them.
We will still have Haswell then Skylake. Enthusiast have no need for Broadwell anyhow. Hell we did not even need Ivy.

[zanzabar]

I call BS. I don't think they are trying to kill off the desktop or sockets for that matter. They just are positioning Broadwell in the tablet, ulv internet device market. That's a smart move for them.
We will still have Haswell then Skylake. Enthusiast have no need for Broadwell anyhow. Hell we did not even need Ivy.

i like my IB, it is better than the sb-e (and even the sb is better than the sb-e quad.) i would not mind if intel went back to one socket, and that is what it looks like they are going to do. i just hope that they do not take forever with the updates, keep overclocking, and dont price gouge too hard now that they are the official only consumer level cpu vendor.

[The Coolest]

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...CPU-from-Intel

[Sparky]

Broadwell isn't going to be LGA.

Maybe it is a different socket. PGA!

But more seriously, if this is true and intel is just getting uber greedy (again) and trying to basically take over the market, well, I could also see this as a "benefit" to AMD perhaps. If AMD sticks with sockets, OEMs and enthusiasts alike very well might prefer it. Intel might be thinking they are going to rule and instead could be aiming a nuke at their feet instead.

Whatever happens could very well be interesting.

[Rollo]

Broadwell isn't going to be LGA.

Maybe it is a different socket. PGA!

But more seriously, if this is true and intel is just getting uber greedy (again) and trying to basically take over the market, well, I could also see this as a "benefit" to AMD perhaps. If AMD sticks with sockets, OEMs and enthusiasts alike very well might prefer it. Intel might be thinking they are going to rule and instead could be aiming a nuke at their feet instead.

Whatever happens could very well be interesting.

Intel wouldn't nuke their market even if they did this. However; they might give up 5% of it to AMD if they did this.

75% of people still bought Intel even when they were getting slaughered by the X2 chips. Intel customers are used to buying a new motherboard when they upgrade anyway.

Only AMD fans have the mindset "Jiminy Crickets! You don't want to have to pull the MOTHERBOARD! It should be good another 10 or 20 years!" and they're only 20% of the market. Everyone else is not only used to, but desires motherboard upgrades for new features.

If this happens we'll just buy our motherboard of choice with our cpu of choice soldered to it, it's not really a big deal for most of the market. For the OCing market it is, although I wonder if soldered connections would offer advantages over contact connections for that?

Edit: I would say I like AMDs socket design for drop in upgrades and HSF attachment better in the current market, if they offered similar IPC I'd use AMD.

[K404]

Broadwell isn't going to be LGA.

Maybe it is a different socket. PGA!

But more seriously, if this is true and intel is just getting uber greedy (again) and trying to basically take over the market, well, I could also see this as a "benefit" to AMD perhaps. If AMD sticks with sockets, OEMs and enthusiasts alike very well might prefer it. Intel might be thinking they are going to rule and instead could be aiming a nuke at their feet instead.

Whatever happens could very well be interesting.

I was talking to someone about this exact path yesterday nVidia are locking down their GPUs, Intel are locking down their CPUs. If AMD keep things open, they could have the ENTIRE enthusiast market to themselves, with ONE condition.

AMD, after OC, must SIGNIFICANTLY outperform Intel at stock to make the effort worthwhile. If you look at certain benches- 3DMark Vantage + 3D11 for example, some Intel chips at stock can beat AMD under LN2. That does make things difficult for AMD.

[Alex-Ro]

Enthusiast market is worth squat compare to embedded,worstation,mobile and server.Those are the places where big money lies,not enthusiast market...

[K404]

True, but Enthusiast market = PR.

If there is no tweakability, what will happen to enthusiast websites? What will happen to mobo makers and R+D? How many companies will go under?

[Alex-Ro]

Sure thing mate,and i really hope that amd's steamroller will match or beat ivy bridge,time will tell...

[Aberration]

True, but Enthusiast market = PR.

If there is no tweakability, what will happen to enthusiast websites? What will happen to mobo makers and R+D? How many companies will go under?

PR for whom? I don't think the vast majority of people know what the top end card can do, what its called, what overclocking is... They go to the store, they ask the pimple faced dufus with a name tag, and he points them to the video cards, where the cast majority is nVidia. Then the customer looks at the boxes and takes a guess.

[K404]

If no-one knows about the top-end card and no-one knows about overclocking, why do nV and AMD push to have the fastest card? Why do they release overclocking-related PR? Are they failing in their jobs?

(I'm asking for your opinion, i'm not being sarcastic or asking a rhetorical question)

[bearcatrp]

Seems we are being pushed to cloud computing, no expandable computers, just tablets and smartphones, All on subscription to pay. No external drives to save out files as they want us to use the cloud. Plus check out what folks put in the cloud. I don't trust one bit of this crap. I'll be hanging on to my duallies allot longer. This cloud computing model can kiss my fourth point of contact!

[Sparky]

I don't think you guys quite understand what I meant there.

Back when AMD was slaughtering intel on the performance line intel was still using sockets then too. In the case of sockets and OEM stock and builds, if one removes sockets and the OEMs prefer sockets for ease of customization/configuration/stock management/etc, then they may move more to AMD as that would keep that vs making things more complicated and expensive going the intel route.

Will that happen? No idea. But the possibility is there.

As far as the cloud, screw it. It has its uses but I will never trust the cloud with my personal files. MY stuff stays on MY drives that only I can actually get to. No one is going to handle that for me. Forgetaboutit.

[mrcape]

Haha for some reason that article read like it was written by a sore loser. I hear a lot of that tone from mobile fan boys. Fact - people will always enjoy software usability better on a larger screen. Maybe they will develop a quality wall projector for mobile devices some day, but for now I'll keep using my dual 30" ips panels thank you.

I think that there will be computer enthusiasts regardless, and that they will adapt to modding whatever powerful hardware there is. So, host your own cloud with your own machines and access it however you want. Fukk access via a 3 inch screen though. Maybe while I take a $hit or get off my bike..

No more lga doesn't mean you can't have your own hardware and tweak it or cool it for performance. I got into this stuff from the programming and IT side first back in the 80s, from the work side not the hobby side. Then I saw all these wackadoos cooling over here with LN and I was like woah. The gimmicky enthusiast marketing can beat it anyways, who needs that? Puttin some tribal tats and a glock on my mobo dogg. On the other side there are plenty of folks who got into the hobby first and learned simple electronic engineering. If they want to continue, there will be plenty to do besides lga socket cpus. The more powerful systems will always outsize the consumer crap, maybe it's time this stuff went back underground anyway.

This is a fascinating topic and it will be interesting to watch it all unfold. I can assure you hardware geeks will never die, they may thin out and get more in demand for high pay jobs though.

[mrcape]

Does DrWho post here anymore? He would know all the details.

[zanzabar]

Does DrWho post here anymore? He would know all the details.

I dont think that he would be allowed to comment.

[BeepBeep2]

Broadwell isn't going to be LGA.

Maybe it is a different socket. PGA!

But more seriously, if this is true and intel is just getting uber greedy (again) and trying to basically take over the market, well, I could also see this as a "benefit" to AMD perhaps. If AMD sticks with sockets, OEMs and enthusiasts alike very well might prefer it. Intel might be thinking they are going to rule and instead could be aiming a nuke at their feet instead.

Whatever happens could very well be interesting.

Enthusiasts won't have AMD CPUs to overclock, only mainstream APUs that have the performance of Core i3's.

What is going on in this world anymore,(?) the game is every man for himself and only the wealthy can play it. In the case of the US, we are currently fighting over this simple issue spanning across many things - "socialist" -leaning governments combat it by distribution of wealth, but then you can start losing freedoms.

It's always a no win situation...

PS. My post is not supposed to insult any type of government or start an argument, just an assessment of a situation and once again not meant to be offensive or break forum rules about politics.

[Tenknics]

This was already posted and discussed in another thread. It's happening. Pay attention please.

[kromosto]

it is not that much import imo. number of mobo i bought is greater then number of cpu i bought. am i happy with this of course not but this is the situation.

[Tony]

Overclocking is going way lads, known this for 2 years now, there is a huge move to mobile platforms. Very few kids want to get into overclocking now, its all tablets and smart phones..in fact I see a someone developing a socketed tablet that you plug a smart phone into soon and then we will all just want that. Monitors with smart phone socket will be the next thing so you drop your office machine in your pocket..4G will make virtual LANs much more desirable also.

What will stay is workstation class motherboards running server grade CPU's...these may have some overclocking...will be an expensive hobby though.

[CrazyNutz]

Guy's the people that rely mainly on smart phones, and tablets were never enthusiasts or power users anyhow. These are people that would normally buy the pre-built Dell, or HP PC's or Laptops.
Now instead buying basic PC's or Laptop's they are buying smartphones, and tablets.

Also one other point to make is back in the day basic users would exercise the option to upgrade the PC components at some point. This does not happen now since basic PC's are so cheap, they just dispose of the old one
and buy a new model every two years for ~$300. So it makes sense to just keep integrating the PC tighter and eliminate upgradeability all together. This make manufacturing to be cheaper, and since these users are not going to upgrade components anyways whats the point.

^^^ The above is the user base Intel will sell Broadwell to. I think Intel is pushing and putting a lot of resources to release a CPU that destroys arm in every aspect. Really I think they have to make this move, If they do not, the only user base they will have is the poweruser/enthusiasts/professional, and possibly server market. Loosing every day basic users would be a devastating blow.

[sin0822]

there is a whole other way to look at this BTW.

[Zaxx]

If they do not, the only user base they will have is the poweruser/enthusiasts/professional, and possibly server market. Loosing every day basic users would be a devastating blow.

Agree 110%. Speaking of a devastating blow...time to sweet talk the wifey.


btw...VERY nice .50 cal bear stopper.