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    Samsung HCH9 at F3-2400C10D-16GTX double sided



    more about g.skill ic detection --> http://www.hardwareluxx.de/community...-924433.html#l

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness View Post
    HCH9 is cheaper than HYK0? Maybe for you, but not here. The generic HCH9 stuff sells for about the same price, or a few more $ (US) here than the HYK0 Samsung LV stuff. The HYK0 based Greens were recently on sale for $36 shipped per 2x4GB kit at the egg, or individually for $17 per module. The generic HCH9 sells for about $22 per module, plus shipping at the only two places that I know it can be had.

    As for preferences, I still believe that as a general rule your chances of higher clocks are with the HCH9. Not saying that there isn't HYK0 that clocks good, just that in my mind I think the odds are better with HCH9. If GSkills and others start binning HYK0 and begin to mass produce high-end modules with them (not just a few here and there), then I won't be too proud to admit I was wrong. At my age I've had plenty of practice at admiting I had it wrong.
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    I'm with you on this one and that's why i don't own single HYK0 ,HCH9 is what rides in high-end sets
    Quote Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness View Post
    I guess that these types of discussions and opinions are probably best left for another thread, as there is no need to clutter this one up with what amounts to personal preferences, so I will do my part and refrain from making any more editorials...or at least I'll try real hard.
    You're more than welcome to discuss it in this thread!

    Those LV/LP sticks are a lot more expensive than the generic HCH9 modules in Germany, in fact you can almost get the 2400CL9 kits for the price of the LV/LP sticks... I'll keep my eyes peeled for whatever pops up in new kits!

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus View Post
    Daniel, The sticks are double sided and do 2000 C9 but there's no scaling after that. In other words: it's cr@p. For dimensions of the chip i'm gonna have to pull the spreaders again. I will if you insist though.
    That's worse than old HCF0 chips on Z77...
    It would be really really nice if you checked the dimensions...

    Quote Originally Posted by stunned_guy View Post
    Samsung HCH9 at F3-2400C10D-16GTX double sided

    more about g.skill ic detection --> http://www.hardwareluxx.de/community...-924433.html#l
    Thanks for the pic, after seeing your kit and SonDa5's 2400CL9 kit it looks like G.Skill gave up on remarking the ICs...

    I already linked your thread in the first post!

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    Got some more sticks with different ic:

    F3-10600CL9S-4GBNT -> ...1600... -> Spectec
    F3-10600CL9S-2GBNT -> ...2150... -> labelt ic - in the middle of the ic on the right side is -151C to see ??? its not Elpida
    F3-10600CL9S-2GBNS -> ...1800... -> Elpida
    F3-1600C11S-4GBNT -> ...1800... -> Elpida
    F3-8500CL7D-2GBNQ -> ...0800... -> Elpida ???

    more to see with pictures the next days

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    Here we got



    1.05 x 0.80 cm

    Is Spectec a own brand or also relabelt ?

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    Thanks for the info!
    SpecTek is owned by Micron, I thought they made their own chips but it's possible they are just selling off Micron eTT/uTT Chips under the SpecTek brand, which means every SpecTek chip would have an identical Micron counterpart. It might be interesting to check the dimensions of a confirmed Micron 2Gb IC to the SpecTek IC you have.

    Please check the "2150" kit next!

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    Its no kit its an single stick of 2 gb.

    EC1GB084CA4
    1234 161C
    ELF468ADP




    1.10 x 0.75 cm

    Anybody knows the ic ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by stunned_guy View Post
    Its no kit its an single stick of 2 gb.

    EC1GB084CA4
    1234 161C
    ELF468ADP

    Anybody knows the ic ???
    It looks like the same IC as on Zeus' 2150 kit:

    EC1GB084CA4
    1215 -16IC
    ELAJ3385C

    Now we have 2 different 2GB sticks with this kind of chip, one rated for 1333 9-9-9-24 1.5V and one for 1600 9-9-9-24 1.5V.
    Did you test your stick?
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    Quote Originally Posted by stunned_guy View Post
    Its no kit its an single stick of 2 gb.

    EC1GB084CA4
    1234 161C
    ELF468ADP




    1.10 x 0.75 cm

    Anybody knows the ic ???
    looks very similar to samsung marking

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don_Dan
    Those LV/LP sticks are a lot more expensive than the generic HCH9 modules in Germany, in fact you can almost get the 2400CL9 kits for the price of the LV/LP sticks... I'll keep my eyes peeled for whatever pops up in new kits!
    The Samsung HYK0s were found by ihog6hog to be in the newer (Nov 2012) GSkill DDR3-2666 CL10 2x4GB kits with IC numbers "2500".

    Link to pic:

    http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...=1#post5153641

    Early samples of these sticks are clocking real well, so I may have to re-evaluate my opinion about the merits of HYK0. Perhaps well-binned ICs on quality PCB does make this a worthy alternative to HCH9 based stuff.

    Daniel, looks like you may be right about HYK0, afterall.
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    @ dan
    No tests. I will look for the ic only.

    I found some old Elpida BASE -AE -E, they looks very similar to the old DDR2 Elpida IC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gungstar View Post
    looks very similar to samsung marking
    That's what Zeus though as well, and I agree, the lower part of the marking ( the serial number probably ) looks like the one found on Samsung ICs and it has the same amount of digits too. If it's really Samsung it could be K4B1G0846F or K4B1G0846G. I haven't seen either of the two yet, so I don't know about their size or how they clock.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness View Post
    The Samsung HYK0s were found by ihog6hog to be in the newer (Nov 2012) GSkill DDR3-2666 CL10 2x4GB kits with IC numbers "2500".

    Link to pic:

    http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...=1#post5153641

    Early samples of these sticks are clocking real well, so I may have to re-evaluate my opinion about the merits of HYK0. Perhaps well-binned ICs on quality PCB does make this a worthy alternative to HCH9 based stuff.

    Daniel, looks like you may be right about HYK0, afterall.
    We'll see, but I must say I'm not surprised, the difference shouldn't be big among the different K4B2G0846D ICs, in the end it probably comes down to the binning of the individual stick. If you buy the 2666 CL10 bin you can be sure it's the best of the best, no matter if it's HCH9 or HYK0.

    I'm trying to figure out the difference between 1500 and 2500, or 0x00, 1x00 and 2x00 in general, but so far I don't have an idea. At first I thought it might refer to the number of sticks in the kit or if it's a single stick sold separately, but after looking at a few pics it turned out to be wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by stunned_guy View Post
    @ dan
    No tests. I will look for the ic only.

    I found some old Elpida BASE -AE -E, they looks very similar to the old DDR2 Elpida IC.
    Okay.

    Same generation as MNH/MGH-E Hyper, unfortunately those don't clock like them.
    I've added 0800 to the list. Thanks!


    Another issue: Do 2100 and 2150 belong together in the x1x0 category or should I put 2100 in x100 and 2150 in x150?
    They are different ICs, so probably different categories.

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    Any info of this Trident 2133 10090650xxxxxx blue pcb? Its probly elpida but not the same clocking like bbse.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Dumo View Post
    Any info of this Trident 2133 10090650xxxxxx blue pcb?
    Never seen such a beast in the wild but could be BDSE going by the 1009....


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    Blue pcb is with nanya IC only Never saw this on DDR3 but most on DDR2.

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    From the OP:
    x400 - Hynix
    1400/2400
    Quote Originally Posted by Don_Dan
    I'm trying to figure out the difference between 1500 and 2500, or 0x00, 1x00 and 2x00 in general, but so far I don't have an idea. At first I thought it might refer to the number of sticks in the kit or if it's a single stick sold separately, but after looking at a few pics it turned out to be wrong.
    In this thread there are pics of the GSkill DDR3-2666 CL11 labels. Both appear to be double-sided Hynix based.

    One is a quad kit with the "2400" number is the 5th-8th and the other is a dual kit with the "1400" numbering sequence. I think that your initial thought that it had something to do with the number of sticks might be right after all, at least with respect to the "1" or "2" digit. Makes me wonder if those "0000" we saw with the early Tridents were cherry-picked review samples and as such, did not have normal production numbers.

    http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...Preview/page10
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    I had 2000 c9 trident with blue pcb(0650)and 2133 quad kit with green(0640) - the blue 2000c9 as well as the "normal" 2133 clocked like bbse... needed lots of voltage but had trcd limits that were above average, 2133 7-9-7-21 went on all at around 1,65v, 2250 needed around 1,72v on extra tight subs on sb - on cold went way above 1250 7-9-7 and 8-9-7 on later owner who used them on LN2 for benching. BDSE might be an educated guess, but never saw these ics do well, 2133 was nearly always no go for bdse at trcd9.
    @stunned guy - oem elpida with bbse use blue pcb... - and 0650 on old gskill sns is elpida as you know
    Last edited by websmile; 11-21-2012 at 05:31 AM.

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    Thanks for info Websmile

    It just won't do Cas8

    Last edited by Dumo; 11-26-2012 at 03:29 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dumo View Post
    Any info of this Trident 2133 10090650xxxxxx blue pcb? Its probly elpida but not the same clocking like bbse.

    Hole on top of sink (probly for pot)
    All the Trident 2133 I have seen were BBSE, mine are 0640 with green PCB. There might be a theoretical chance for Hyper, but since the blue PCB was used by Elpida for all the OEM BBSE sticks I think this is BBSE as well. I've already seen a few G.Skill sticks with blue PCB ( 1600C7 1GB, 2000C9 1GB & 2GB ) and all of them were BBSE. I can take a pic of my Elpida OEM sticks and we can compare the PCBs if you want.
    How do these clock?

    Quote Originally Posted by C-N View Post
    Never seen such a beast in the wild but could be BDSE going by the 1009....
    BDSE is worse than BDBG, I'm 90% sure BDSE can't do tRCD 9 at 1066MHz.

    Quote Originally Posted by stunned_guy View Post
    Blue pcb is with nanya IC only Never saw this on DDR3 but most on DDR2.
    That's not true, 06x0 indicated Elpida and Elpida and used blue PCBs for all their OEM BBSE sticks. I have 4 1GB sticks with the blue PCB as well, I can show a pic on Saturday.

    Quote Originally Posted by websmile View Post
    I had 2000 c9 trident with blue pcb(0650)and 2133 quad kit with green(0640) - the blue 2000c9 as well as the "normal" 2133 clocked like bbse... needed lots of voltage but had trcd limits that were above average, 2133 7-9-7-21 went on all at around 1,65v, 2250 needed around 1,72v on extra tight subs on sb - on cold went way above 1250 7-9-7 and 8-9-7 on later owner who used them on LN2 for benching. BDSE might be an educated guess, but never saw these ics do well, 2133 was nearly always no go for bdse at trcd9.
    @stunned guy - oem elpida with bbse use blue pcb... - and 0650 on old gskill sns is elpida as you know
    Yep!

    Quote Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness View Post
    From the OP:




    In this thread there are pics of the GSkill DDR3-2666 CL11 labels. Both appear to be double-sided Hynix based.

    One is a quad kit with the "2400" number is the 5th-8th and the other is a dual kit with the "1400" numbering sequence. I think that your initial thought that it had something to do with the number of sticks might be right after all, at least with respect to the "1" or "2" digit. Makes me wonder if those "0000" we saw with the early Tridents were cherry-picked review samples and as such, did not have normal production numbers.

    http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...Preview/page10
    I've excluded 0000 and AB40 from the new list, as they were only used on certain sticks and for a very short time.

    Take a look at the pics ihog6hog posted, one 8GB kit is marked 1400, the other one 2500. It doesn't refer to the PCB either, as they look 100% identical.

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    Take a look at the pics ihog6hog posted, one 8GB kit is marked 1400, the other one 2500. It doesn't refer to the PCB either, as they look 100% identical.
    Yep, you're right. They are different models (one being CL10 and the other CL11), but that shouldn't make any difference.

    Looks like the guessing game continues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dumo View Post
    Thanks for info Websmile

    It just won't do Cas8
    They can do ~1066MHz 7-9-7 though, right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness View Post
    Yep, you're right. They are different models (one being CL10 and the other CL11), but that shouldn't make any difference.

    Looks like the guessing game continues.
    Yeah, I checked some more kits and things don't work out.

    G.Skill is probably having a good laugh about this thread.

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    Yeah show me the picture with the Elpida and blue pcb, thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don_Dan
    G.Skill is probably having a good laugh about this thread.
    I've posted that same sentiment a couple of times already.

    Oh well, maybe in time it will get sorted out.

    But in the meantime I don't see myself spending anymore for high-end GSkill modules with unknown components.
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    Imo, usually the first few (initial retail release) batches are the best...for high end ram kit

    Just my 2c

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    Quote Originally Posted by stunned_guy View Post
    Yeah show me the picture with the Elpida and blue pcb, thanks
    I will!

    Quote Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness View Post
    I've posted that same sentiment a couple of times already.

    Oh well, maybe in time it will get sorted out.

    But in the meantime I don't see myself spending anymore for high-end GSkill modules with unknown components.
    I'm sure we'll figure it out in due time...

    I agree with dumo, get them while they're new, now you can be sure about what you're receiving. I wanted to buy a Samsung kit for Christmas, but I think I'll buy it now, who knows if they might change ICs in the meantime.

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    Hello everyone.
    Yesterday I recieved 2x4GB G.Skill Sniper Low Voltage Series DDR3-1600 CL9-9-9-24 (1.25v) for my new AMD Mini-ITX build.

    Sticker says Oct 2012, Week 1242, Full SN: 12421800xxxxxx. I saw on AwardFabrik 11200850xxxxxx.
    Hopefully they clock well, I have high hopes for at least 1866 9-9-9 1.5v.

    Curious, and surprised after reading that there were Elpida ICs inside, I opened them up... IC reads "U235V8C08A07".
    PCB is a 6-layer BrainPower PCB rated for DDR3-1600, B63URCB 0.70. If this stuff is Elpida, I suspect it is EFBG.
    I didn't take any measurements, but with my photos I should be able to figure it out after measuring PCB height:
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