AMD Accelerated Processors for HD Tablets

[ajaidev]

The new site for AMD Tablet redirect



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Humm see the vid also... cant save it via my android...

EDIT: Clarification the above site is a redirect from amd.com/ultralowpower which was dead just some hrs ago. See this for some more info about the link and product to be launched. My fault for not reading the product name but hell the site redirected on the above page and i was like developer must be testing it out.

[kl0012]

5.9W is still to much for tablets. Expect short battery life, active cooling and heavy body. 1.7W Clover Trail is much more suitable for tablets (even if it has lower graphics performance).

[Lanek]

Is it really new ? i mean the Z series exist since a while ( but maybe i make a misstake with something else. ) ( Z series = C50 ( Brazzos if im right ) )

Edit:
Oh yeah, i was remember have seen something like this one year ago .. June 2011 .. http://news.softpedia.com/news/AMD-A...s-203552.shtml

Thoses APU have start been shipped for tablet in June 2011 guys.. nothing new there.

[EniGmA1987]

That is also some pretty low CPU and GPU performance compared to all modern tablet processors.

[Mechanical Man]

I think this has something to do with it.

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHQDjDDW8w2RieO-IuqYlyg

[Manicdan]

a tablet that can be an htpc, and should be inexpensive cause its from amd,

its nothing more than the smallest bobcat chip right?

[Lanek]

a tablet that can be an htpc, and should be inexpensive cause its from amd,

its nothing more than the smallest bobcat chip right?

Exactly, but this " tablet APU" have been shipped since one year allready.

I think nobody have just seen the page " AMD HD tablet, under notebook APU " on AMD site. There's nothing new with this processor it have been launched one year ago and surely the page on AMD site was allready there too.

AMD global site > Product and technology > Notebook > HD tablet APU.
http://www.amd.com/uk/products/noteb...es/tablet.aspx

June 2011:
The Z-01 appears to be an optimized version of the AMD C-50 APU, as the chip features the same dual-core design based on a pair of Bobcat cores clocked at 1GHz.

Furthermore, the Z-01 also includes the same Radeon HD 6250 graphics core as the C-50, which is clocked at 276MHz.

However, the APU's TDP was lowered in order to make it better suited for tablet use, and the Z-01 requires 3.1W less than the C-50 to operate (5.9W in comparison with 9W).

As stated a bit earlier, AMD has already started shipping these chips to its hardware partners and the first tablet to use this processor is going to be the MSI Windpad 110W, which is on display right now at Computex.

[ajaidev]

I think this has something to do with it.

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHQDjDDW8w2RieO-IuqYlyg

Yep it does the once dead link ends up on the page above...

[BeepBeep2]

5.9W is still to much for tablets. Expect short battery life, active cooling and heavy body. 1.7W Clover Trail is much more suitable for tablets (even if it has lower graphics performance).

With a 7200mAh battery and 590mA peak platform draw (if running 1v everything) then I'd estimate 10-14 hours of battery life when in normal use (50-75% load)
but then you have the screen, various radios etc.

[r.p]

...

http://semiaccurate.com/2012/10/05/a...-on-october-9/

[god_43]

amd tdp =/= intel tdp

[Dimitriman]

That is also some pretty low CPU and GPU performance compared to all modern tablet processors.

How do you figure?

[Greg83]

seems high perf to me vs its only current competition the intel atom
looking up atom arch, it appears these processors at 1ghz could very well be on par with the newest atoms in cpu perf and possibly better on the gpu side. with equal or less then power consumption

[Lanek]

How do you figure?

Cause it was looking at the perf of the old Z01 ... im sorry like me, i was think Ajaidev was speaking about the old Z 01 thinking it is a new one APU.

But know i understand why he was showing this site page...

AMD released a spooky video that teases an upcoming low-power mobile product that will be shown off on October 9. No official details are available yet, but the site came across rumors that the product being teased is Hondo, an ultra-low-power APU that should succeed the Z-01 APU. The last AMD roadmaps we looked at described Hondo as a "Z-Series" offering with one or two Bobcat cores, DirectX 11-capable integrated graphics, and a 4.5W power envelope (down from 5.9W for the dual-core Z-01).

Hondo is supposed to power Windows 8 tablets, so a launch ahead of the new operating system's October 26 release seems logical.

One specimen shown was manufactured by Acer, and was its graphics performance with the game Call of Duty 4, showing a rate of frames per second sustained around 30 frames per second during the test graphics Tablet recorded a temperature of 37.7º C, very good temperature whereas a Atom based Tablet 43.88º C generated by running the same game, although the rate of frames per second Atom was offered by about half. The soc Hondo manufactured from the 40nm manufacturing process, based on bobcat micro-architecture, and have TDPs of up to 4.5W.

[zanzabar]

5.9W is still to much for tablets. Expect short battery life, active cooling and heavy body. 1.7W Clover Trail is much more suitable for tablets (even if it has lower graphics performance).

i am not sure about that, this is an x86 part and the new win8 tablet model allow for larger tablets that are basically netbooks. the TDP is also not really what matters if the gpu acceleration will save cpu core power and if the idle is low enough it should be great.

[kl0012]

With a 7200mAh battery and 590mA peak platform draw (if running 1v everything) then I'd estimate 10-14 hours of battery life when in normal use (50-75% load)
but then you have the screen, various radios etc.

Larger battery doesn't solve problems of weight and heat dissipation - you still need active cooling.

amd tdp =/= intel tdp

In this case amd tdp is much worse. First, Clover Trail was designed for phones/tablets and has very low idle power consumption (level of ARM). Second, Clover Trail is SoC and doesn't need additional logic (AMD still uses cpu + chipsets which consumes additional power).
Clover Trail should have power consumption similar to Medfield, which is quite power efficient:

http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/4/34...tel-smartphone

We also checked out the battery life on both phones. This was another area of strength for Intel. In our standard battery test, which cycles through websites and videos with the screen set to 60 percent brightness, the RAZR M lasted seven hours and 22 minutes, while the RAZR i lasted a full eight hours and 42 minutes. Where the phones truly differ, however, is in standby time. The RAZR i managed to last 72 hours of regular use, including pushing email to two separate accounts, with 12 percent of its battery remaining. In contrast, the RAZR M will get you a full day's normal usage, but not much more. Both have strong battery life compared to many Android devices, but from our tests and experience, it’s clear that Intel’s chip is far more frugal with power than the dual-core Snapdragon S4.

[Greg83]

but for the power savings. is it gonna have a 100% greater cost for the tablets, or even more.

[zanzabar]

In this case amd tdp is much worse. First, Clover Trail was designed for phones/tablets and has very low idle power consumption (level of ARM). Second, Clover Trail is SoC and doesn't need additional logic (AMD still uses cpu + chipsets which consumes additional power).
Clover Trail should have power consumption similar to Medfield, which is quite power efficient:

http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/4/34...tel-smartphone

We also checked out the battery life on both phones. This was another area of strength for Intel. In our standard battery test, which cycles through websites and videos with the screen set to 60 percent brightness, the RAZR M lasted seven hours and 22 minutes, while the RAZR i lasted a full eight hours and 42 minutes. Where the phones truly differ, however, is in standby time. The RAZR i managed to last 72 hours of regular use, including pushing email to two separate accounts, with 12 percent of its battery remaining. In contrast, the RAZR M will get you a full day's normal usage, but not much more. Both have strong battery life compared to many Android devices, but from our tests and experience, it’s clear that Intel’s chip is far more frugal with power than the dual-core Snapdragon S4.

windows 8 pro x86 dose not run on soc x86 parts, this is a different market than the small tabs, this is for touch ultrabook tablets

[kl0012]

windows 8 pro x86 dose not run on soc x86 parts, this is a different market than the small tabs, this is for touch ultrabook tablets

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6340/i...dows-8-tablets

[zanzabar]

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6340/i...dows-8-tablets

those are for RT not pro, amd is making low power cpu/apu parts that will work with the full OS and are not arm supplements. the new atom line up is for RT and is basically a higher clocked chip out of the razor-i.

so, intel is focusing on the giant phone tablets, and ultrabooks. amd is trying to bring the giant phone to full x86 in a small netbook type tablet.

[kl0012]

those are for RT not pro, amd is making low power cpu/apu parts that will work with the full OS and are not arm supplements. the new atom line up is for RT and is basically a higher clocked chip out of the razor-i.

so, intel is focusing on the giant phone tablets, and ultrabooks. amd is trying to bring the giant phone to full x86 in a small netbook type tablet.

RT is ARM version of Windows 8 which lacks desktop mode and doesn't allow access to winapi for external apps. Clovertrail is intended to run full version of Windows 8 - x86.
There is no much info about AMD Hondo (aside from few roadmap slides) but it better be some SoC design. However the initial info is not that encouraging, 4.5W TDP is still to much for proper tablets.

[Greg83]

from what i've read about clovertrail playing videos you're still looking at 2.5w power consumption.
the amd one was 5w power consumption plus the rest
with the price differential clover trail will save on the batter size to keep to price down where the amd will have the play for larger battery
bringing it down to what appears to be 8 hour video play back on the amd vs 10 hour video playback on the clovertrail.

and then it just matters, does the x86 tablet you want , need 8 hours video playback or 10 hours. does the $150 more or $200 more worth it.

[kl0012]

from what i've read about clovertrail playing videos you're still looking at 2.5w power consumption.
the amd one was 5w power consumption plus the rest
with the price differential clover trail will save on the batter size to keep to price down where the amd will have the play for larger battery
bringing it down to what appears to be 8 hour video play back on the amd vs 10 hour video playback on the clovertrail.

and then it just matters, does the x86 tablet you want , need 8 hours video playback or 10 hours. does the $150 more or $200 more worth it.

Intel claims 2.5W playing video for the whole platform, including display power, not just CPU. Lets see if AMD can do better than current z-01 (3-3.5 hours of playing video with 4200 mAh battery on MSI Windpad 110W) and can bring the whole platform power consumption down.

[Greg83]

The end result is AMD’s tablet reference design with 2 GB DDR3-1066 memory, measuring 10 mm in thickness and a 4.8 Watts system total power consumption during 720p video playback

ntel Clovertrail FFRD idle screan on 2.3W web browsing 2.8W hd video playback 3.0W

Apple iPad (2012) idle screen on 4.3W web browsing 4.5W hd video playback 5.9W

seem to me like all questions already answered.

give it a battery like the nexus 7 , or bigger and its all looking the same.

amd likely has the edge on price vs the clovertrail, intel will want its markups "knowing its better" somewhere will have to be different , price likely. since amd has room for the bigger battery.
maybe the amd uses less power web browsing then video playback by a bigger margin then the clovertrail who knows.

even see this 8000mAH batter in a the retail plus 9.3 inch tablet.

[panzerchaos47]

Larger battery doesn't solve problems of weight and heat dissipation - you still need active cooling.


In this case amd tdp is much worse. First, Clover Trail was designed for phones/tablets and has very low idle power consumption (level of ARM). Second, Clover Trail is SoC and doesn't need additional logic (AMD still uses cpu + chipsets which consumes additional power).
Clover Trail should have power consumption similar to Medfield, which is quite power efficient:

http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/4/34...tel-smartphone

We also checked out the battery life on both phones. This was another area of strength for Intel. In our standard battery test, which cycles through websites and videos with the screen set to 60 percent brightness, the RAZR M lasted seven hours and 22 minutes, while the RAZR i lasted a full eight hours and 42 minutes. Where the phones truly differ, however, is in standby time. The RAZR i managed to last 72 hours of regular use, including pushing email to two separate accounts, with 12 percent of its battery remaining. In contrast, the RAZR M will get you a full day's normal usage, but not much more. Both have strong battery life compared to many Android devices, but from our tests and experience, it’s clear that Intel’s chip is far more frugal with power than the dual-core Snapdragon S4.

But the Galaxy Note 10.1 has 7000 mah I think. I don't think it is a problem because tablet feels lighter well it is plastic instead of metal.