Utoya Island movie

[STEvil]

What the ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFDEO22Gaxk

[M.Beier]

Thats so f***ed up... The comments are really sad

[STEvil]

moved out of Car & Truck.. not sure why it was there..

[alpha0ne]

I can see this 'movie' rating really well.....................in the middle east

[Mescalamba]

Well, there are ppl that understand (doesnt mean approve) what Breivik done and why. And then theres a lot of "average Joes", that have no clue, but they have urge to comment it from their simple point of view.

Its bit more complex than just killing some kids. Future will show who was right and who was wrong. Or rather who was "less wrong". Give it 10-25 years. Or if Norway will be really unlucky, much sooner..

Tho this movie is bit unnecessary and Im not sure its exactly step in right direction.

[NEOAethyr]

This is a part of the story.
To get more of an idea of the situation look up the news on it.

Multiculturalism is a political issue right now...
Supposedly it usually always is when in recession.

[Kallenator]

Well, there are ppl that understand (doesnt mean approve) what Breivik done and why. And then theres a lot of "average Joes", that have no clue, but they have urge to comment it from their simple point of view.

Its bit more complex than just killing some kids. Future will show who was right and who was wrong. Or rather who was "less wrong". Give it 10-25 years. Or if Norway will be really unlucky, much sooner..

Tho this movie is bit unnecessary and Im not sure its exactly step in right direction.

Anders Bering Breivik did a terrible and completely wrong thing, and his motives are as warped as they can get. The guy actually proposed that the whole Norwegian population should be DNA tested to weed out all the people that did not have "Olav the Holy" in their blood-lines.
Now this is where things get weird, because "Olav the Holy" has been recorded so far as a Christian "king", who fought against the Viking chieftain's Hårek from Tjøtta, Tore Hund and Kalv Arnesson at the "battle of stiklestad" to gain supremacy as King over Norway. Now these Viking chieftains where for the most part pagans and believed in Norse Mythology. So what Anders claims that he fights against is what his "idol" did to Norway all these years ago.
Anders was at first given diagnosis of mental illness which was ruled out by a second round of psychiatric testing, regardless of this his upbringing has been shown so far to be less than ideal, which is the work of a terrible mother.

This movie is just in plain bad taste and the creators should not have been permitted to make it. It serves no one and is more like fuel on the fire for hate on both sides of the fence.

[MattiasNYC]

Well, there are ppl that understand (doesnt mean approve) what Breivik done and why. And then theres a lot of "average Joes", that have no clue, but they have urge to comment it from their simple point of view.

Its bit more complex than just killing some kids. Future will show who was right and who was wrong. Or rather who was "less wrong". Give it 10-25 years. Or if Norway will be really unlucky, much sooner..

Tho this movie is bit unnecessary and Im not sure its exactly step in right direction.

One almost gets the impression that you inadvertently just made a statement.

[MattiasNYC]

Multiculturalism is a political issue right now...
Supposedly it usually always is when in recession.

Some people are always in a "personal state of recession" though, and to them "the others" are always an issue.

Same crap all over the planet.

Them.

Us.

[El Mano]

Some people are always in a "personal state of recession" though, and to them "the others" are always an issue.

Same crap all over the planet.

Them.

Us.

Some people don't know the reality. There is "them" and there is "us".
Multiculturalism is a real problem. Foreigners are not a problem as long as they accept and adapt to our customs, which is not happening at all.
Muslims are a big problem in Europe.

[Evantaur]

[NEOAethyr]

After reading through the comments on the trailer link posted in the beginning of this thread I got bored.
Looking up things I accidentally came across this quote and I think it's quite fitting.

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.

[MattiasNYC]

Some people don't know the reality. There is "them" and there is "us".
Multiculturalism is a real problem. Foreigners are not a problem as long as they accept and adapt to our customs, which is not happening at all.
Muslims are a big problem in Europe.

Nonsense.

The moderator should close the thread before it gets more xenophobic.

[NEOAethyr]

Ignoring the issues I would argue is partially responsible for such disasters.
Calling it xenophobic or racist is exactly that.

However that does not excuse someone from taking there despair out on others.
That's not cool.

How about something else then?, another example of such a disaster, one very similar to the breivik thing:


I'm just saying ignoring this kind of stuff is not good.
Imagine you are willing to help people out and let them stay in your home.
What sort of limitations would you place?
What happens if they don't pay you rent and they won't leave?, etc etc, you can't ignore that stuff...
There's alot more to this topic.
But whatever.

[vohu manah]

Shooting European children in a European country, while wearing a police uniform ..yay and he plays Call of Duty: Modern Warfare and World of Warcraft. Just like with 99% of all blogs and modern journalism, people don't care about the content of the article, or what really happened in the story... all they care about is the opinions and statements. The guy shot kids, while wearing a police uniform, but I see people ignore that, and just talk about his political views and religious beliefs.


That youtube-link looks like a troll movie, made by trolls. Half of the comments to the video are also troll comments. People should ignore that movie, really...it's even badly made, and the acting is horrible.

[MattiasNYC]

Ignoring the issues I would argue is partially responsible for such disasters.
Calling it xenophobic or racist is exactly that.

Calling it xenophobic or racist is not unequivocally ignoring the issues. One can call it xenophobic AND recognize "the issues" at the same time.

Further more it sounds completely counter intuitive that a person would be responsible for this disaster because he/she ignored "the issues", while at the same time it somehow doesn't excuse the actions. Clearly though, in order for that argument to hold water in any kind of way it must be proven that "the issues" indeed exist. "The issues" in this case were whatever the terrorist thought they were.

So I wonder if you think that Breivik's issues were truly real issues...

I'm just saying ignoring this kind of stuff is not good.
Imagine you are willing to help people out and let them stay in your home.
What sort of limitations would you place?
What happens if they don't pay you rent and they won't leave?, etc etc, you can't ignore that stuff...
There's alot more to this topic.
But whatever.

I assume you talk about either refugees or immigrants. If you're not then I'm sorry for misunderstanding you (I didn't have time to watch the video).

The two are radically different. I agree that refugees in a sense could be said to owe the host nation a debt of gratitude, which arguably should be "payable" at least by conforming to legislation. But outside of that, and including immigrants that are now new citizens, basic freedoms need to apply to all people if one wants to call the country one lives in "free". Of course not all people are in favour of "freedom" and instead prefer to have things their way even if that means others can't choose their own way of life.

[MattiasNYC]

Shooting European children in a European country, while wearing a police uniform ..yay and he plays Call of Duty: Modern Warfare and World of Warcraft. Just like with 99% of all blogs and modern journalism, people don't care about the content of the article, or what really happened in the story... all they care about is the opinions and statements. The guy shot kids, while wearing a police uniform, but I see people ignore that, and just talk about his political views and religious beliefs.

What relevance does him wearing a police uniform have other than that it facilitated the mass murder?

As for his political and religious views I'd have to say they seem relevant. If those form the basis for his cause and actions then why shouldn't they be taken into account? Don't we do the same for Nazi's and Extremist Muslim terrorists?

Some belief systems are simply crap and deserve to be recognized as such, and for the power they may have over the individual.

[vohu manah]

What relevance does him wearing a police uniform have other than that it facilitated the mass murder?

As for his political and religious views I'd have to say they seem relevant. If those form the basis for his cause and actions then why shouldn't they be taken into account? Don't we do the same for Nazi's and Extremist Muslim terrorists?

Some belief systems are simply crap and deserve to be recognized as such, and for the power they may have over the individual.

Is that such a little thing? To use items(uniform) of authority to facilitate mass murder?

I see that as more relevant than his political or religious views. Opposition (or fear) of cultural muslim integration is not a rare political view in Norway or Scandinavia in general.

Even if "we" did do the same for Nazis and Extremist Muslim terrorist, then that doesn't make it anymore relevant. You put relevance into something that deserve no such thing IMO. When innocent lives are taken, then the reasons have little relevance compared to the act itself (loss of innocent lives). If such relevance is put into his political and religious beliefs, then so many could be judge that wouldn't act as he did.

It is a sensitive subject and I kinda regret responding to it.

[MattiasNYC]

It is a sensitive subject and I kinda regret responding to it.

Don't worry about it. I'm not going to be angry with you or anything. You seem like a pretty nice and tolerant fellow. But if you feel like not participating in the thread I won't blame you.

Is that such a little thing? To use items(uniform) of authority to facilitate mass murder?

Everything is relative. It's a "small" thing compared to having access to the weapons. Small compared to the doctrines that taught the hatred.

It's been pointed out quite clearly that he dressed up as a cop so I don't quite see the point in making that a bigger issue than the cause of his hate for example.

Even if "we" did do the same for Nazis and Extremist Muslim terrorist, then that doesn't make it anymore relevant. You put relevance into something that deserve no such thing IMO. When innocent lives are taken, then the reasons have little relevance compared to the act itself (loss of innocent lives).

You can say that about anything though, right? But the problem that you're ignoring is that without the reasons you wouldn't have had the acts, right?

If you start fainting 2-3 times per day what would you think is of most relevance in the long term: the symptom or the cause? If you go to the doctor they'll try to figure out what's causing your symptoms because that's the only way of fixing you. You might not feel a problem with you heart at all, so to you that's nothing you think is relevant. You perceive the fainting though, so that's what you feel your problem is. But you have to treat the disease.

If such relevance is put into his political and religious beliefs, then so many could be judge that wouldn't act as he did.

You wrote the above in a funny way. I guess what you mean is that there are so many people that have the same religious and political views as he does that don't commit such acts that it invalidates my argument. I think you sort of have a point because things are often connected.

So yeah, I don't think he would have committed the acts if he hadn't been incorrectly wired in his head (anyone who does something like that is). But on the other hand even with that wiring I doubt he'd have done what he did had he not been subjected to the propaganda and hate.