Windows 8, Server 2012, Visual Studio 2012 (.Net 4.5) finished

**kromosto** · 08-02-2012, 12:47 AM

They all finished and released to manufacturing

VS has a launch event on sept 12
And for win 8 nothing changed 15 aug for technet/msdn and 26 oct for retail.

**zanzabar** · 08-02-2012, 12:50 AM

i want to get my hands on the msdn (i wish i had a current technet account), this looks to be a sad couple months though.

**Scubar** · 08-02-2012, 03:54 AM

From what I have seen the MSDN Win8 was still not looking very ready so its a bit concerning that they think its good enough to be RTM.

Windows 8 is not going to go down well.

**kromosto** · 08-02-2012, 04:44 AM

not start menu is very different. i get used to it after using win8 rc for a while but getting used to it and like it are very different things. i have msdn but will not upgrade to win8 any time soon.

**Biznatch** · 08-02-2012, 07:26 AM

Originally Posted by Scubar

From what I have seen the MSDN Win8 was still not looking very ready so its a bit concerning that they think its good enough to be RTM.

Windows 8 is not going to go down well.

How so? I have had my VM host at home running server 8 for 3 months now with no downtime what so ever.

**Peakr** · 08-02-2012, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by Biznatch

How so? I have had my VM host at home running server 8 for 3 months now with no downtime what so ever.

An excellent test for running a domain controller in a production environment.

**Mech0z** · 08-02-2012, 09:44 AM

Wonder if the WP8 SDK is released together with VS2012 or before

**god_43** · 08-02-2012, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by Peakr

An excellent test for running a domain controller in a production environment.

well if you use the right tools...then yes it is. there are tools out there to simulate dc traffic.

**Peakr** · 08-02-2012, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by god_43

well if you use the right tools...then yes it is. there are tools out there to simulate dc traffic.

I'm sure MS has put it through its paces. But a lot changes in a PE. I have to admit though it's definitely growing on me.

**NEOAethyr** · 08-02-2012, 11:55 AM

Finally...

Thanks for the heads up

.
I'll be looking for it.
I guess I should probably make sure ultimate is the highest end ver before I go looking in the future...
I hope the demo comes out fast too...

If the performance sucks, I'm trashing it.
If it's good, it's replacing win7 for me.

**STaRGaZeR** · 08-02-2012, 03:02 PM

I think this is going to flop hard on desktop. Server and VS... omg that'll be fun.

**andressergio** · 08-02-2012, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by zanzabar

i want to get my hands on the msdn (i wish i had a current technet account), this looks to be a sad couple months though.

dont worry will be leaked soon (on purpose) as always so we end user try it and they improve it

**hersounds** · 08-02-2012, 04:36 PM

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**Greg83** · 08-02-2012, 06:50 PM

as much as metro ui has turned me away. i am sure if we all stick to our guns about not using metro. they'll have to patch disabling metro back in. maybe even make areo theme option right under visualizations.
on the plus though, windows 8 is third generation of minwin based core. makes it a lighter base of needed .dlls for those of us shrinking the OS.
new methods of using the processors for better perf. (atleast on amd's) so its pretty much a necessary update for those of us wanting multi ssd' raid 0 and 8+ core performance.
the quick starting of the os too.

i kinda hope the effort that has been put forth to make the os light enough to work on arm and tablets. directly benefited the windows 8 portion too.

**zanzabar** · 08-02-2012, 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by Greg83

as much as metro ui has turned me away. i am sure if we all stick to our guns about not using metro. they'll have to patch disabling metro back in. maybe even make areo theme option right under visualizations.
on the plus though, windows 8 is third generation of minwin based core. makes it a lighter base of needed .dlls for those of us shrinking the OS.
new methods of using the processors for better perf. (atleast on amd's) so its pretty much a necessary update for those of us wanting multi ssd' raid 0 and 8+ core performance.
the quick starting of the os too.

i kinda hope the effort that has been put forth to make the os light enough to work on arm and tablets. directly benefited the windows 8 portion too.

i do not think that having metro as mandatory is the problem, the problem is getting rid of all of the classic UI other than a bit off explorer, but that has the stupid ribbon now even.

**bamtan2** · 08-04-2012, 02:03 PM

The software systems are good. Its just their GUI gambit is bad. They're betting the company on metro and it won't work out as planned. They'll have to backtrack some, especially in productivity environments

Server 2012 is really pretty damn good. The file system stuff is still behind zfs and btrfs, but at least they are finally trying.

The metro GUI stuff won't be accepted into productivity environments. Every server admin who plans to interact with it will install at least classic shell like I did. Same for most business folks I imagine.

**Starscream** · 08-04-2012, 02:35 PM

Imagin all the people that regulery ask you for basic tech support asking you to teach them how to use win8.

Ive let a few people play around with the Win8 RC and it was hilarious.

**STaRGaZeR** · 08-04-2012, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by bamtan2

The metro GUI stuff won't be accepted into productivity environments. Every server admin who plans to interact with it will install at least classic shell like I did. Same for most business folks I imagine.

Precisely. Any sane business will just skip this crap. If you want to be productive you want Win8 far away from you. It's a real shame because the underlying OS is fantastic.

**[XC] Oj101** · 08-04-2012, 04:26 PM

Something I just realised:

Windows 2000: 6 service packs
Windows XP: 3 service packs
Windows Vista: 2 service packs
Windows 7: 1 service pack

Microsoft is getting better at building OSs

**SKYMTL** · 08-04-2012, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by [XC] Oj101

Something I just realised:

Windows 2000: 6 service packs
Windows XP: 3 service packs
Windows Vista: 2 service packs
Windows 7: 1 service pack

Microsoft is getting better at building OSs

Or they care less about fixing their mistakes......

**Buckeye** · 08-04-2012, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by kromosto

They all finished and released to manufacturing

VS has a launch event on sept 12
And for win 8 nothing changed 15 aug for technet/msdn and 26 oct for retail.

So whats on Technet now is the same as RTM ?

**zanzabar** · 08-04-2012, 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by SKYMTL

Or they care less about fixing their mistakes......

7 was mostly a service pack for vista, and 2000 had service packs that were just update packs.

Originally Posted by Buckeye

So whats on Technet now is the same as RTM ?

dose it say rtm, when 7 came out personal accounts got it latter than corporate and professor accounts.

**kromosto** · 08-05-2012, 05:30 AM

Originally Posted by Buckeye

So whats on Technet now is the same as RTM ?

unfortunately no. we have to wait a little more.

**HelixPC** · 08-05-2012, 10:42 AM

I tried Windows 8, without the old start menu its garbage, i uninstalled it within 30 minutes of use. So frustrating to get around, its not a damn tablet Microsoft, we want a freaking desktop OS, windows 7 will be the next windows XP.

**andressergio** · 08-05-2012, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by HelixPC

I tried Windows 8, without the old start menu its garbage, i uninstalled it within 30 minutes of use. So frustrating to get around, its not a damn tablet Microsoft, we want a freaking desktop OS, windows 7 will be the next windows XP.

well at least you didnt wait for the lockups and freezes lol

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