Raid0 and TRIM Support on Intel 11.5 OROM and Latest v11.5.0.1184 RST Drivers ?

[B Gates]

okay I will check it later today after work

[andressergio]

guys anyone tested this ?

Intel Rapid Storage Technology Version: 12.0.0.1013 beta ???

http://win-lite.de/benutzer/fernando...1013%20Beta.7z

[B Gates]

yes post 346 was done with that driver. no memory leak but weird performance

[andressergio]

yes post 346 was done with that driver. no memory leak but weird performance

better stay away then lol thanks mate !!!

[Highendtoys]

I can't wait to try 4x 240GB drives on SATA II RAID 0 to see if it works. I just wrapped up all of last months work so finally get to start fooling around with this.

[JigglyWiggly]

so anyone have a p67 extreme4, any way to update the intel raid rom? 10.08 on this
and even if i did manage to get it updated, no performance improvement?


also which version should I use? You guys said 11.5 has a memory leak, but on 11.2 if I try to open the intel control panel I get iastorui has stopped working (ah ye)
on windows8


Is my best bet just to get a z77 and 11.2 intel rst?

[Fernando]

so anyone have a p67 extreme4, any way to update the intel raid rom? 10.08 on this

>Here< you can find already extracted actual Intel RAID ROM modules and >here< is a guide about how to update the Intel RAID ROM module of your mainboard BIOS.

and even if i did manage to get it updated, no performance improvement?

You will get the best performance, if the RST driver and the RST OROM are from the same development branch (actually v11.2.x.xxxx or v11.5.x.xxxx).

also which version should I use?

It depends on your Intel SATA Controller settings (AHCI or RAID). For AHCI systems with an Intel 6-Series chipset I would choose the actual Intel RST driver/OROM version 11.2.x.xxxx.

[Ramon Zarat]

So, if we summarize the current situation about Intel 6Th generation chipset (P67, Z68 etc...) TRIM RAID support, am I right to say:


1- TRIM RAID *official* support only for Z77 for both Win7 and 8.
2- It's a deliberate tactic from Intel to block TRIM in RAID on the Z68 (and other 6th generation chipset), there is no hardware limitation in the Z68 to prevent TRIM from working in RAID.
3-The only 2 options to make P67, Z68 etc... TRIM in RAID work is to either:

A- Make the RST driver recognize the Z68 as Z77 with a BIOS / OROM mod by injecting the Z77 hardware ID string into a Z68 OROM BIOS (or if you prefer, swap the ID string in the Z68 for the Z77 one) so the RST driver would recognize a Z68 as a Z77. It apparently has been successfully achieved by at least 1 folks (the RST driver on his Z68 reported to be a Z77 chipset). He didn't mention if TRIM worked after that.
B- To mod the RST driver to disable the Z77 check. Much simpler and less invasive solution than to mod the BIOS. 1 mod for all as it would work no mater what brand of motherboard you have. On the other hand, every new driver version would need to be moded, as for the BIOS mod would be a more or less permanent solution as you update BIOS at a much less frequent rate than drivers.


Am I missing something or that's pretty much the current situation? I don't have the knowledge to do a hardware ID string swap in a BIOS and don't know how to mod drivers. But I would be willing to test them both. I have an ASRock Extme4 GEN3 with 2 X M4 SSD 128GB to test with.


Thanks,

Ramon

[Fernando]

@ Ramon:

According to my knowledge it is impossible to implement the "TRIM in RAID0" feature into 6-Series chipset systems by simply "modding" the Intel RST driver.
You cannot convert any hardware specifications like the Intel SATA RAID Controller by editing any driver file. Furthermore the Intel SATA RAID Controllers of 6-Series and 7-Series Chipset mainboards have exactly the same DeviceID and are using exactly the same RAID driver. What do you think can or has to be changed?
My opinion:
Users with a 6-Series chipset and an SSD RAID0 probably have to wait for a future Intel RST driver/OROM combination, which originally lets the TRIM command pass to the SSD members of a RAID0 array.

[Ramon Zarat]

@ Ramon:

According to my knowledge it is impossible to implement the "TRIM in RAID0" feature into 6-Series chipset systems by simply "modding" the Intel RST driver.
You cannot convert any hardware specifications like the Intel SATA RAID Controller by editing any driver file. Furthermore the Intel SATA RAID Controllers of 6-Series and 7-Series Chipset mainboards have exactly the same DeviceID and are using exactly the same RAID driver. What do you think can or has to be changed?
My opinion:
Users with a 6-Series chipset and an SSD RAID0 probably have to wait for a future Intel RST driver/OROM combination, which originally lets the TRIM command pass to the SSD members of a RAID0 array.

Wow, this is sad...

According to your statement, we are helpless and totally dependent on the goodwill of Intel, who just officially declared TRIM in RAID "feature" would only be supported the with 7 series chipset... In other word, we are f*cked.

This might very well be the last time I give my money to Intel: Practically same hardware, same capabilities, no cost involved for them to "activate" the feature and still, they prefer to alienate their customers with cheap tactic and try to force us, who just bought a new Z68 system only a couple of months ago, into upgrading to the Z77, which offer no real benefit over the Z68. This is a totally artificially imposed limitation and a dictatorial business practice. Despicable. RAID0 as been around for ages and SSD came out on the market way before the Z68. There is simply no justifiable reason for this feature not to be supported on the Z68, period.

INTEL: This what we want, we don't give a f*ck, so this is what we will do, no appeal, end of story, upgrade, throw your money at us, or die.

Well, you know what? F*ck Intel....

[B Gates]

Hi Ramon,
Its unreasonable to expect Intel not to do what is in their own best interest even when it goes against your wishes. I too wish Intel to grant Z68 & P67 TRIM but why should they? This forced me to upgrade to Z77 so their tactic works. Personally I appreciate that Intel has developed drivers and OROMS that allow RAID 0 TRIM its a lot of development and an area where no one else has stepped up to the plate. Do you see AMD giving us RAID 0 TRIM? Do you see Microsoft doing it? AT LEAST Intel cares about performance unlike AMD. Go ahead and never buy Intel again the only one that will be losing is you......I mean really are you going to use AMD?

[andressergio]

hey guys just installed 11.5.4 rst but dont see any dif compared to 11.5.2

[Ourasi]

Hi Ramon,
Its unreasonable to expect Intel not to do what is in their own best interest even when it goes against your wishes. I too wish Intel to grant Z68 & P67 TRIM but why should they? This forced me to upgrade to Z77 so their tactic works. Personally I appreciate that Intel has developed drivers and OROMS that allow RAID 0 TRIM its a lot of development and an area where no one else has stepped up to the plate. Do you see AMD giving us RAID 0 TRIM? Do you see Microsoft doing it? AT LEAST Intel cares about performance unlike AMD. Go ahead and never buy Intel again the only one that will be losing is you......I mean really are you going to use AMD?

While Ramon might be a tiny bit negative (very tiny), he is still correct factually, and just because their imoral tactics works does not make it any better. This Raid0 TRIM exclusion of 6 series, wich still is on sale in stores, means they don't take customers seriously at all, and is right up there with the "X25-M gen.1 won't get TRIM, buy the near identical X25-M gen.2 to get TRIM". Not quite as bad, as an single SSD without TRIM is a "defective" product and is far worse then their latest stunt, not to mention the insane pricepremium those gen.1 owners paid, just to get shafted by Intel..

What suprices me in all of this, is that most hardware/review sites actually let this behaviour go unpunished, and let their readers fight the battle all alone, and just jump on the wagon if the critic gains momentum. Backbone seems to be fully removed from these sites these days, and that makes me sad, as I've been around long enough to have seen these battles being fought and won by sites with this rather important bone intact.

Kudos to sites like Anandtech, that actually informed readers both on X25-M Gen. 1 and TRIM raid0 cases, and was dissapointed by Intels lack of support, all though the criticism was far to mild and shortlived.

The "turn the other cheek" tactic is a dangerous tactic against companies like Intel, and I for one will never let them get away with it, even if I'm the last one standing..

[mobilenvidia]

In the end all these companies want to get the most $$ out of you pocket and into their coffers.
Why enable something on a previous chipset when it will stop Joe Average from updating to have that feature, where's the cen(t)s in that

[Ourasi]

In the end all these companies want to get the most $$ out of you pocket and into their coffers.
Why enable something on a previous chipset when it will stop Joe Average from updating to have that feature, where's the cen(t)s in that

This case is comparable with a mobile company denying their previous model a new android version with one important and popular new feature, a previous model that was released a few months before the new model with a few minor cosmetic differences. If this was a popular model from a big company, they would get all the customer fury they possebly could imagine, and many have felt it after doing just that, and changed their tactics accordingly..
Today it's common practice to support an array of previous models with a new android and new features, why, because the customer demands it, and the penalty for not listening to the custumer is to steap..

So, even if Intel is close to being in a monopoly situation, and use (abuse) this for all it's worth, It's still possible to make them listen if we hurt their bottom line and/or PR bad enough, but as long as people have this kind of attitude, as most have towards Intel these days (go figure), that will never happen. Until we say "stop", Intel will only get worse.. Not very smart, is it?

[Peakr]

Enabling trim on older chipsets would go a long way toward cementing customer loyalty to Intel and would probably require little effort. Considering how few features the latest chipsets offer over their predecessors many are starting to feel duped. There's usually a price for jumping on new technology too quickly. You might be better off waiting to see what the crowd says first.

[DooRules]

I don't think it has much of anything to do with trying to get people to upgrade. Hell Intel comes out with a new socket every other month it seems like. The number of people running a z77 system is probably what, way less than 1% of the market. Seems to me they are just dragging their feet and if they wanted to implement trim for older chipsets they will get around to it.

[emerald]

Can someone confirm that TRIM work with RAID0 on X58/ICH10R chipsets with any of those OROMs/Drivers ?

[Zaxx]

No...raid0 trim requires a 7 series chipset.

[messerchmidt]

as per the gigabyte section in the tweaktown forum, you can mod a bios and replace the intel rst rom with the latest 11.5 rom and have trim on raid-0 with ssd on any ich9r/10r + raid setup. using same on ymx58-ud4p with a mod 14p bios - confirmed trim is working. using 2x adata sx900 256gb in raid-0 with trim enabled. using the beta 12 rst drivers with windows.

[messerchmidt]

No...raid0 trim requires a 7 series chipset.

its "officially supported" on the 7 series, works with older ich9/10 chipsets with a bios mod.

[Fernando]

as per the gigabyte section in the tweaktown forum, you can mod a bios and replace the intel rst rom with the latest 11.5 rom and have trim on raid-0 with ssd on any ich9r/10r + raid setup. using same on ymx58-ud4p with a mod 14p bios - confirmed trim is working. using 2x adata sx900 256gb in raid-0 with trim enabled. using the beta 12 rst drivers with windows.

There are a lot of people, who believe, that TRIM works within their RAID array, but only a very few ones have proved it.
Can you post us a link?

[B Gates]

as per the gigabyte section in the tweaktown forum, you can mod a bios and replace the intel rst rom with the latest 11.5 rom and have trim on raid-0 with ssd on any ich9r/10r + raid setup. using same on ymx58-ud4p with a mod 14p bios - confirmed trim is working. using 2x adata sx900 256gb in raid-0 with trim enabled. using the beta 12 rst drivers with windows.

how did you confirm its working?

[Highendtoys]

You can't confirm that TRIM is working on the ADATA SX900 because the ADATA SX900 doesn't have working TRIM!!!

LOL, ADATA hasn't released 5.0.3 or 5.0.4 to the public or to any of the reviewers in private. They are still working on the validation, I just spoke with someone from ADATA last week about the new FW and they are not ready to release it yet.

TRIM not working info for you: http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/48...ted/index.html

[chispy]

It does not work for X58 , i did and tried many many moded bios updated to 11.5 latest OROM and other ones, simply it will not work. I did my own test and research , using 2 Samsungs 830 120GB , tested using PCMark vantage and many other ways to check if trim was working , it will not work im sure of that , im the one who started this tread because i want it Trim support on my rampage 3 extreme raid0 Samsungs 830 x2 set up , never worked no matter how or what moded Bios i installed , end of line , i sold the board x58 and bought a new Z77 Asus P8Z77-V Pro , now Trim its working 100%. End of story it will not work.