Falcon NW Tiki, a Micro Tower gaming system

[Mats]

What I like about this one is that they've used standard parts you've all heard of, Asus Z77-I Deluxe, (noisy) Silverstone ST45SF PSU, Stock GTX 680. . .

The only unique part is the case. That base is just stupid tho.



http://www.techpowerup.com/168254/Fa...cro-Tower.html

http://www.falcon-nw.com/desktops/tiki

[geoffsthaboss]

The only thing that catches my attention is the flexible pci extender cable, I've wanted to do a m-itx build with the gpu folded over the back of the mobo for ultra compactness. I wonder if one could get the cable ala cart

Edit-
On closer inspection I see the extender is not flexible...

[Mats]

The only thing that catches my attention is the flexible pci extender cable, I've wanted to do a m-itx build with the gpu folded over the back of the mobo for ultra compactness. I wonder if one could get the cable ala cart

Edit-
On closer inspection I see the extender is not flexible...

There are flexible risers available, but remember that the GPU fans will be facing the back of the motherboard,
unless you have like a 8" riser and turn the graphics card around.
http://www.adexelec.com/pciexp.htm

[Kallenator]

Not bad actually, this is even more compact than for example the Silverstone Sugo SG08. Measuring in at 11.5 liters, vs the Silverstone's 15.
However, just buying the case seems to be out of the question, so meh.

Also I am a bit skeptical about their ventilation holes. I think this case just should have been completely perforated. Similarly to the Fractal Design Core 1000.

[Stevethegreat]

Not bad actually, this is even more compact than for example the Silverstone Sugo SG08. Measuring in at 11.5 liters, vs the Silverstone's 15.
However, just buying the case seems to be out of the question, so meh.

Also I am a bit skeptical about their ventilation holes. I think this case just should have been completely perforated. Similarly to the Fractal Design Core 1000.

Τhen again there is a the "Sugo-sg06" which is just above 10l. Mod it to accept ATX PSUs, put on cheap watercooling and you build a system more compact, potentially more powerful for one third of the money. I mean great work with the engineering of the case but what's with the 200% premium on prices, it's pretty much what OEMs never got right on desktop computing (pre-built) which is -basically- why Laptops (and recently tablets) is their only realm...

If the industry was ever to to give us the chance to build our own laptops (*complete* control), I bet we would be able to do it for 1/3rd of the price as well, wise of them not to create standards for laptop motherboards and chassis, it would pretty much destroy their whole market of overpriced toys...

[JaD]

Starting at $1900. HA.

[[XC] hipno650]

not going to lie this this is just plain cool. I have always thought that FNW has built some of the cleanest looking (on the outside) prebuilt systems around and this does not disappoint. It's nice to see a really sleek system with real performance as well.... unlike that Alienware X51 thing...

[Kallenator]

Τhen again there is a the "Sugo-sg06" which is just above 10l. Mod it to accept ATX PSUs, put on cheap watercooling and you build a system more compact, potentially more powerful for one third of the money. I mean great work with the engineering of the case but what's with the 200% premium on prices, it's pretty much what OEMs never got right on desktop computing (pre-built) which is -basically- why Laptops (and recently tablets) is their only realm...

If the industry was ever to to give us the chance to build our own laptops (*complete* control), I bet we would be able to do it for 1/3rd of the price as well, wise of them not to create standards for laptop motherboards and chassis, it would pretty much destroy their whole market of overpriced toys...

Sure thing Steve, I had completely forgot that the SG06 could fit a 680! Even though it's a very tight fit, as long as no modding is required then np.

Those SFX PSU's aren't bad by any stretch and Silverstone should get a pat on the back for not using cheap non 80Plus PSU's which so many distributors bundle with mini-ITX solutions.

[Dumo]

On closer inspection I see the extender is not flexible...

Heres

[Mats]

It's not like I'd buy this one, and I don't think it's perfect.
I just like the fact that this console PC form factor starts showing up more. Last time it was the Alienware x51.

Let's hope Silverstone and Lian LI will do something similar soon.

[geoffsthaboss]

There are flexible risers available, but remember that the GPU fans will be facing the back of the motherboard,
unless you have like a 8" riser and turn the graphics card around.
http://www.adexelec.com/pciexp.htm

Thanks! i'd always planned wc'ing anyway, perhaps it's time to see how small i can go!

[Manicdan]

ive used riser cards many times before and they do allow for very low profile machines

i honestly dont see this case being that special for the price. i was able to fit a full size atx board, normal size psu (mine was 650 gold rated), gpu up to 11.5" long, larger hard drives, and a 3x120mm radiator, into a space not much bigger than this.

to get an i5 thats overclockable, and a 680, the costs is 2150$ i only see about 1200$ worth of hardware. while i would like to see more compact designs being built, the cost is just too much and not designed for mainstream builders

[[XC] hipno650]

ive used riser cards many times before and they do allow for very low profile machines

i honestly dont see this case being that special for the price. i was able to fit a full size atx board, normal size psu (mine was 650 gold rated), gpu up to 11.5" long, larger hard drives, and a 3x120mm radiator, into a space not much bigger than this.

to get an i5 thats overclockable, and a 680, the costs is 2150$ i only see about 1200$ worth of hardware. while i would like to see more compact designs being built, the cost is just too much and not designed for mainstream builders

it is a Falcon Northwest... they have never really been about value for money...

[Stevethegreat]

it is a Falcon Northwest... they have never really been about value for money...

Not to be (for) Value for money I understand, but to be thrice the price of your competitors it's beyond that. We can only compare it with luxury cars but there we also have a luxury product, we cannot say the same about the above PC; apart from it's stand everything else (it) is business as usual. I mean -yeah- great design et al, but not "thrice the cost" great...

[crash5s]

Not to be (for) Value for money I understand, but to be thrice the price of your competitors it's beyond that. We can only compare it with luxury cars but there we also have a luxury product, we cannot say the same about the above PC; apart from it's stand everything else (it) is business as usual. I mean -yeah- great design et al, but not "thrice the cost" great...

Value is based largely on perception and what the end user wants. Most people want smaller, more compact, mobile, and are willing to pay a premium for that. They'd rather have less machine but have it in a better form factor. We are far beyond "technical specs" mattering one bit for what most people do with a computing device. The real sell and value is in style, ease of use, and other items. Apple, razer, falcon, HP, Sony, tons of companies are starting to get this through their heads. Stop selling on specs and sell me a good product based on lifestyle, then we'll deal with the specs.

[Stevethegreat]

Value is based largely on perception and what the end user wants. Most people want smaller, more compact, mobile, and are willing to pay a premium for that. They'd rather have less machine but have it in a better form factor. We are far beyond "technical specs" mattering one bit for what most people do with a computing device. The real sell and value is in style, ease of use, and other items. Apple, razer, falcon, HP, Sony, tons of companies are starting to get this through their heads. Stop selling on specs and sell me a good product based on lifestyle, then we'll deal with the specs.

Buy something based on that lian li then, it's not as if we lack in abundance of good small sized cases either. All you need is a system builder (which he/it of course would charge a premium for his services) and you can quench your lifestyle-based thirst for a good PC...

Of course in this case the above argument is null for the simple reason that Falcon NW markets that PC as a powerhouse first and foremost so (according to *their* words) specs matter (in which case the silverstone case I recommended above would be a better choice for 1/3rd the cost). But if specs are irrelevant (as you put it), -again- buy the Lian Li (or equivalent) based PC and you cut the costs 4 even 5 times...

In two words I don't see where "marketed based on lifestyle" and being affordable are two colliding prospects. Falcon NW is one more OEM overpricing its work. Will it sell? Probably a few will buy, will it sell well enough? I doubt it, most people who would know Falcon NW are informed on these matters...

[jogshy]

If I would want a small thing for gaming I'll get a console or a mobile phone
Desktop is not constrained to dimensions usually ... so I don't care about this small computer. I prefer to make my own desktop gaming monter, cheaper, bigger and better cooled.