Hm, I tighten my screws pretty tight and I've had no issues with back plates or anything on my four Lightnings. Not sure what you guys are doing.
Hm, I tighten my screws pretty tight and I've had no issues with back plates or anything on my four Lightnings. Not sure what you guys are doing.
GPU: 4-Way SLI GTX Titan's (1202 MHz Core / 3724 MHz Mem) with EK water blocks and back-plates
CPU: 3960X - 5.2 GHz with Koolance 380i water block
MB: ASUS Rampage IV Extreme with EK full board water block
RAM: 16 GB 2400 MHz Team Group with Bitspower water blocks
DISPLAY: 3x 120Hz Portrait Perfect Motion Clarity 2D Lightboost Surround
SOUND: Asus Xonar Essence -One- USB DAC/AMP
PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX1500
SSD: Raid 0 - Samsung 840 Pro's
BUILD THREAD: http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1751610
I completely removed the backplate and still have a dead card. Card #9 arrives on friday, if I cant get it to work then I am done with this setup
I also have sexual relations with my cards before install but I dont think thats the problem.
Last edited by l88bastard; 08-28-2012 at 06:51 PM.
2 things i suggest.
1. Make sure the TIM you are using is non-conductive. If you put any on the vrms,they can easily run over onto the pcb, i have had a card short because of this.
2. check the gpu die itself for cracks/breaks. Since AMD likes to just expose the dye, it can break easy as well.
If you sill have a dead card on you, i would just comb the pcb with a magnifying glass and see what is going on. There is most likely a common denominator between these problems that is being overlooked.
It is possible your mb is eating them. Have the cards all been in the same pcie slots?
(1) I am using Prolimatech PK-1 Nano Aluminum Thermal Compound. I also applied a tiny bit of TIM to the tops of the phase regulators as the waterblock directions sugguest so it is possible that some of that could have come in contact with the PCB, but I have done this with my three perfect waterblocked lightnings too and I use very small amounts, so I don't know if thats it. I mean what are the chances that this happened with three cards and not my other working three?
(2) None of the defective cards have any cracks or breaks. I haven't inspected with a magnafying glass, but there is nothing noticeable to the naked eye.
Its not the motherboard. As soon as I pull the dead card out, I can put any one of my three working lightnings in the same pcie slot and they work fine. I have tried all four slots and all power rails of my PSU so its not that....unfortunately.
The only thing all of my FOUR dead cards have in common is that they all used the SAME waterblock & MSI factory backplates. I have scoured this waterblock from head to toe but it does not look any different than my other three. I dunno, perhaps its possible that something on this block is causing the cards to immediately short out. Its the only common denominator as I have tried cards from different retailers so I don't believe its a bad batch of cards.
My leading theory right now is that waterbock #4 is either cursed or haunted
Lightning #9 arrives on Friday, I am gonna install the waterblock without any thermal compund on the phase regulators and I am not going to install the backplate either. If card #9 dies then I am throwing everything over my 5th floor balcony.
PS
I am not the only one that has had this problem. CurlyP from Overclock.net had the exact same problem with one of his waterblocked 7970 lightnings:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1295029/b...0-water-cooled
Last edited by l88bastard; 08-29-2012 at 07:30 AM.
Hm this is strange. I don't think it is the back plate honestly. If it was, I feel like there would be many problems even without the water block.
One thing about the water block installation that I noticed could be missed (as I made this mistake myself before realizing) the two different screw lengths included with the block could be mixed up. The screws around the gpu itself need to be the shorter of the 2 while the back plate issues the larger. I could see potential problems if using the larger screws around the gpu. It also says if not using the back plate to use the small screws all the way around the card. Could easily be missed if just grazing through the install.
I also also noticed with the Thermal pads that the long thicker one (the one that goes over the vrms) isn't quite long enough to cover the whole strip of vrms. If you stretched it it would just eventually unstrectch. I ended up using a bit of the shorter thick pad to cover the last 2 vrms in that row. Also, the vrms for the mem (the 2 on the right and 1 on the left) can be easily overlooked.
If the block were to touch any of these you would definitely short the board.
I really don't know what else to guess. Have you been using the same pads over and over? Because they seem to wear out quite quickly.
The only thing I can think of is if the wrong standout(s) are on the block or aren't fully seated or the wrong length screws are used. This may cause some tweaking and cracking of the PCB/chip and it's connections. Always make sure the stand-offs are fully seated with a pair of pliers and and they are all the same height. Whenever I am done with a WB install I always take a high powered flashlight and give it a once over around the entire edge where the WB/PCB come together. I too use PK-1 on all of my installs, all over the VRM area etc and my four cards work great. It is non-conductive.
GPU: 4-Way SLI GTX Titan's (1202 MHz Core / 3724 MHz Mem) with EK water blocks and back-plates
CPU: 3960X - 5.2 GHz with Koolance 380i water block
MB: ASUS Rampage IV Extreme with EK full board water block
RAM: 16 GB 2400 MHz Team Group with Bitspower water blocks
DISPLAY: 3x 120Hz Portrait Perfect Motion Clarity 2D Lightboost Surround
SOUND: Asus Xonar Essence -One- USB DAC/AMP
PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX1500
SSD: Raid 0 - Samsung 840 Pro's
BUILD THREAD: http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1751610
Oh yes I am well aware of the different screw lengths and used the proper lengths for the cpu and block. Card #3 which lasted for a few days and died got recycled thermal pads from card #2 which never worked, when I did card #3s autopsy I discovered that two of the thermal pads never contacted the waterblock which may explaine its death. However, I bought brand new thermal pads for card #4 & #5 and used the proper thickness & lengths for the proper areas. Cards #2, #4 & #5 were dead immediately after the WB install so they didn't even have time to have thermal issues.
This is not my first go round with cooler installs. I did two accelero cooler installs with two 6990s and never had a problem with those and three of my 7970 lightnings work perfectly with the EK waterblocks. This is beyond crazy to me...I am about to buy the port block for the water bridge and just go Trifire as that seems a better solution than throwing my rig over the balcony.
Ya, when I pulled the waterblock off of dead gpu 4 & 5, all of the pads & thermal compound had made perfect contact with the proper areas. I am gonna go over this gpu #9 install like a hawk. I feel like Tim "The Toolman" Taylor of gpus right now.
Last edited by l88bastard; 08-29-2012 at 10:30 AM.
I didn't mean to come off as though you didn't know or have experience, was just trying to cover all the bases. I just know we can all overlook things from time to time.
You wanna video record the application of the WB on the next card so it can be dissected if it dies? Just think, you could be a star!
GPU: 4-Way SLI GTX Titan's (1202 MHz Core / 3724 MHz Mem) with EK water blocks and back-plates
CPU: 3960X - 5.2 GHz with Koolance 380i water block
MB: ASUS Rampage IV Extreme with EK full board water block
RAM: 16 GB 2400 MHz Team Group with Bitspower water blocks
DISPLAY: 3x 120Hz Portrait Perfect Motion Clarity 2D Lightboost Surround
SOUND: Asus Xonar Essence -One- USB DAC/AMP
PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX1500
SSD: Raid 0 - Samsung 840 Pro's
BUILD THREAD: http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1751610
Oh I know you were not implying that jomama, your advice has been greatly appreciated
But after 4 dead cards i certainly am questioning my own abilities and sanity
Ya, I ordered an EK blank plug for the waterbridge just in case it doesnt work out I am gonna give up and just go trifire. However, according to murphys law, everything will work out perfectly if I video record the procedure and spend the money on a EK blank, so #9 should be a winnar!
Last edited by l88bastard; 08-29-2012 at 02:33 PM.
and im thinking of getting one these cards..this isnt good news.
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The cards are fine to purchase.
GPU: 4-Way SLI GTX Titan's (1202 MHz Core / 3724 MHz Mem) with EK water blocks and back-plates
CPU: 3960X - 5.2 GHz with Koolance 380i water block
MB: ASUS Rampage IV Extreme with EK full board water block
RAM: 16 GB 2400 MHz Team Group with Bitspower water blocks
DISPLAY: 3x 120Hz Portrait Perfect Motion Clarity 2D Lightboost Surround
SOUND: Asus Xonar Essence -One- USB DAC/AMP
PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX1500
SSD: Raid 0 - Samsung 840 Pro's
BUILD THREAD: http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1751610
GREAT SUCCESS!!!
I got the replacement card today...one day ahead of schedule. I performed the operation doing everything I did with dead cards 4 & 5 SANS THE THERMAL PASTE ON PHASE REGULATORS. The fourth card is now working perfectly and its temps are inline with my other three cards which have thermal paste applied to their phase regulators.
Now I can't say for certain if thermal paste on the phase regulators was causing the problem but the argument looks very compelling. For clarification, I did not use much thermal paste on the dead cards phase regulators at all...just teeny, tiiiny pindot dabs from a toothpick and I did not see any thermal paste "spill" from the phase regulators on the PCBs of the dead cards....so who knows...who cares....all I know is I am FINALLY up and running again *KNOCK ON WOOD*
Last edited by l88bastard; 08-30-2012 at 12:42 PM.
Any of you guys found a method of pushing over 1.35v with these yet? I think 1.4v would be nice for a few bench runs
Eerily similar to what I'm going through.
Bought 4x cards and 4x blocks, all the cards worked on air just fine. After installing the blocks, the bottom card was graveyard dead, exactly like yours.
I RMA'd that card, one month later when I finally received the replacement (which ran fine on air) I installed the block again and had the same scenario of a dead card.
Which brings me up to today. Instead of waiting for another month on RMA (both card and block), I just bought a new card and new block. New card runs fine on air, installed the block today, and have a 3rd dead card. I'm totally pissed, and not sure what can be happening. Installation of this block is quite simple and straight forward. The thermal pads all look to be making good contact, and I know I'm not overtightening the screws.
Last edited by Gunslinger; 03-06-2013 at 09:58 AM.
I also had the exact same problem. I only got 2 MSI 7970 Lightnings though and I installed EK's waterblock on both of them and one would not boot up at all. Same thing graveyard dead. IDK what is happening to these cards when you install the waterblock. Very strange. Kinda sucks because that was my favorite one that died. Could do 1325/1700 no problem.
I sent my card out 2 weeks ago... Just sitting here to waiting to play Crysis 3 on my 3 Asus VG248QE 144hz 1ms monitors :-/
I need to keep my FPS above 144 so I might be adding a 3rd 7970 Lightning here soon.
Last edited by Elmy; 03-01-2013 at 12:43 PM.
double post :/
Last edited by Gunslinger; 03-08-2013 at 10:46 AM.
That was a brand new block I want to add, which was 1/1 in install/death rate for me and 1/1 for Splave. I RMA'd the block that was 2 for 2 in install/deaths. So in summary the last 2 blocks are a combined 4/4 install/deaths. WTF is going on.....
So sorry to hear so many Lightnings die with EK blocks definitely something wrong with those waterblocks I have heard so many people having the same issue all over the net , cards die after installing this EK waterblock , you guys might want to contact EK and let them know of this. Have any of you guys tried the Swiftech MCW-82 7900 edition ? , im using it and works very well on my Lightning , great flow and amazing low temperatures even when pushing lots of volts , guys give them a try it's a great waterblock , also is universal so you can re-use it on any card you like after your doen with the lightning ,I don't like full cover water blocks as it can only be used on one spesifically card and that's it. Good Luck guys and I hope the cards stop dying.
Regards: Chispy
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