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    Quote Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ View Post
    WTF are you talking about. My point is that this crap is off topic in this thread.


    Again WTF are you talking about? You are a troll I'm done responding to you.
    I am taking the same action bubabooey. Trolling and putting words into my mouth when I mentioned nothing of the such. I.e trying to somehow string together that I am telling him to get a 7770, when I have said absolutely nothing about it. I have been talking about a 7850 this whole time. In regards to playability, your not close to getting your dollar amount back from going to a 7850--> 7870. Similarly, I have said nothing about this money is no object. I am not telling cegras to buy a 7970, gtx 680 or a gtx 690.

    Completely circular argument here and pointless, like a dog chasing his tail when he says he wants to buy a card for value and ignore cheaper cards that provides better value without a huge downgrade in playability.

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    I got the 7870 because the performance is good and provides good value.
    Why not get a gtx 670 because it provides better performance and better performance per dollar.
    Because it's 50 dollars more and it buys me lots of groceries.
    Why not buy the 7850 then as you save $100?
    I am looking for more performance?
    Why not buy a gtx 670 again. Back to square one.

    In this climate, the 7870 is a terrible value at 350. It provides 20 percent more performance while costing %40 more, which is why the this 50 dollar thing doesn't make sense. If your going to make a huge deal about the 50 dollars, it hard to see why you are championing the 7870. Your not getting a huge jump in playability over a 7850 and your paying 100 dollars more for it. The gtx 670 received way more positive reviews because it costs instead of 100 dollars more it costs 50 dollars more for atleast the jump the 7870 provides over the 7850. I.e getting 7970 performance for only 50 dollars more.

    Lets remove branding for the moment.

    Lets pretend that the 7970 had two gb of video memory and was 400 dollars and the 7870 was as is for 350 dollars. Who would recommend the 7870? Well that is what happened when the gtx 670 came out. If your going to make that big a deal out of 50 dollars, you might as well get a 7850 as the upgrade is still highly vertical over a 4850 as the naming suggests and your saving 100 dollars for a 20% performance drop.
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    Why not buy the 7850 then as you save $100?
    If you would read my posts instead of using a strawman you would've known that I originally wanted a 7850, but they were OOS and I wanted my desktop to come back up ASAP for Diablo 3. There's a point where slippery slopes come into play: why not $50 more for 7850 -> 7870? If so, why not another $50 for 670? At that point, why not another $75 for a 680?

    trying to somehow string together that I am telling him to get a 7770
    I didn't, you have a persecution complex. I used it as part of my own reasoning: the 7770 is super cheap and gets me roughly 4870 performance, but I didn't want a lateral step in performance.
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    7850 for $250 is your best bang for the buck if the 670 drops below $350 then its hands down better
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    I completely agree. The circumstances forced my hand in an non optimal buying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manicdan View Post
    ever use a 2900xt at 940mhz on water? that thing was a beast.
    the problem with that gpu was bad drivers at launch, i remember the day they got 40% more perf in furmark. and the perf took a dive with AA, but did great at higher resolution. so for people who had a 1080p screen instead of a lower res with lots of AA, its was a great choice. and the card was a dream for overclockers who could keep it cold.

    so i dont think your statement should be so blunt and disrespectful to a certain group of people.
    The second you turned AA on it still lost to anything on the NVidia side of things in that price range. It was so bad ATi actually had to abandon the high end bracket totally to even sell it. It LITERALLY killed them as a company! People actually went as far as lowering settings in games and trying to pass off screen shots with fraps running at those settings to make people believe is was faster than it was (I actually recall people doing so with the original stalker, turning off dynamic lighting thinking people wouldn't notice and saying drivers boosted fps by 30-40fps, my sig showed one person being caught for it for 2 years). The 8800GTX stomped it into the ground no matter what resolution you played at, in pretty much everything using less power, less heat, less noise, AND came out before it. Even if you ran the G80 at stock vs the 2900 on exotic water the 8800 STILL beat the thing in gaming. That's why I pointed it out, it was ATi's version of the FX5800.

    I don't discriminate, there are certain cards that any enthusiast who bought should be ashamed of themselves for doing so from both camps. If a card uses more power, gets less performance, sounds like a leaf blower, and can't even run AA while it costs high end dollars there literally is no excuse for buying it. Both the FX5800 and the 2900XT fit said bill, and are considered the two worst high end cards of the past decade. There's no excuse EVER for a $400 card to not even be able to play the games out at it's release maxed out. Even more so when it loses to it's predecessor sometimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DilTech View Post
    That's why I pointed it out, it was ATi's version of the FX5800.

    I don't discriminate, there are certain cards that any enthusiast who bought should be ashamed of themselves for doing so from both camps. If a card uses more power, gets less performance, sounds like a leaf blower, and can't even run AA while it costs high end dollars there literally is no excuse for buying it. Both the FX5800 and the 2900XT fit said bill, and are considered the two worst high end cards of the past decade. There's no excuse EVER for a $400 card to not even be able to play the games out at it's release maxed out. Even more so when it loses to it's predecessor sometimes.
    I disagree with this. For example, I traded my 9800Pro (a better card) for a FX5800Ultra (a worse card). Similarly, I downgraded from something better from NVIDIA to use ATi's awful Rage MAXX for a while, and I also downgraded to a Diamond Viper to try a S3 Savage 2000 for a while. I also tried a Voodoo Banshee when I already had a superior Voodoo2. I moved from a faster GF2 Pro to a slower Radeon VIVO because I wanted to try ATi's new chip.

    I knew these were all downgrades and the chips had idiosyncrasies, but I wanted to try them because I'm a computer hobbyist. They were never meant to be a "good buying choice" and I didn't recommend them as such. There's no shame in buying products that aren't as good as their competitors, only in recommending them as better when they're not.

    Just last night I was thinking it would be fun to build a Bulldozer rig, and I had a GTX690 in my cart 3X before I convinced myself I wasn't going to notice the difference between this and my 680 SLi, or that I could add another 670 Super Clock to my secondary rig and have the same performance for much less.
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    can we get back to 7990 and 7970x2 chat want to see whats coming
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    so, what's the latest news on this card? I couldn't find any in the last 100 pages, due to the flame wars. Is it coming out, and if so when?

    And DilTech, I had a 2900xt. It was loud and huge. It did do ok when AA was off and it did a great job of warming my feet on cold winter nights.


    Woudl I buy it again, not a bloody chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Motiv View Post
    so, what's the latest news on this card? I couldn't find any in the last 100 pages, due to the flame wars. Is it coming out, and if so when?
    There are a couple of board partners releasing custom 7970x2 cards. A couple of sites have posted that AMD plans on releasing 7970s binned for 1050mhz at a lower core voltage. Maybe thats what they are waiting for to use with 7990?

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    http://www.guru3d.com/news/three-new...-cards-coming/
    Three new Radeon HD 7900 cards coming
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    Guru3D.com ImageAMD is working on three new Radeon HD 7900 series SKUs. This includes the dual-GPU Radeon HD 7990, the Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition and the Radeon HD 7930. The 7990 is reportedly delayed until August to make it perform within "acceptable" range of the GeForce GTX 690, while the Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition could be just around the corner. The 7930 on the other hand is expected after June, when NVIDIA's upper-mainstream SKUs become available.

    The Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition is aimed against NVIDIA's GeForce GTX 680. AMD will raise the reference clock speeds for the HD 7970.

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    Are they going to re-launch the 7950 with higher clocks as well?
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    interesting to see a 7930, i figure the price gap is only just big enough to fit one.
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    Wonder what the price/ specs for the 7930 will be?
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    Okay that's actually a bit sad. Somehow I was expecting a lot more. Well, bring on next gen I guess....
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    The 7990 is reportedly delayed until August to make it perform within "acceptable" range of the GeForce GTX 690, while the Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition could be just around the corner.
    No!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I was really hoping to see 7990 a fair bit sooner.

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    AUG damn by that time NV might have ramped up production on the 690 to 50 units a month and AMD will loose out.
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    Sorry but what's the point for the 7930? An overclocked 7870 already equals 7950 performance for a lot less mullah...

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    most people don't overclock

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    Quote Originally Posted by OCX600RR View Post
    Sorry but what's the point for the 7930? An overclocked 7870 already equals 7950 performance for a lot less mullah...
    I saw this on Rage3d. It sounds like a very good possibility.

    Quote Originally Posted by caveman-jim View Post
    Tahiti LE could be for FirePro like Cayman LE was. If so, then no 7930, like no 6930.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxforces View Post
    most people don't overclock
    ...Lots of pre-overclocked versions out to buy which puts the performance close to the 7950 already. And the people that don't know what overclocking is will see "pre-overclocked" versions to buy and probably find out what it is, and then possibly overclock it further. It's not 2005 anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OCX600RR View Post
    ...Lots of pre-overclocked versions out to buy which puts the performance close to the 7950 already. And the people that don't know what overclocking is will see "pre-overclocked" versions to buy and probably find out what it is, and then possibly overclock it further. It's not 2005 anymore.
    Overclockers is small market and you wan't change this.I know very well what year is but 99% are dumb people (like my brother and his colleagues) in these things. Just go to Bestbuy and you'll see what I mean. They don't read hardware reviews
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim View Post
    Okay that's actually a bit sad. Somehow I was expecting a lot more. Well, bring on next gen I guess....
    The 7990 is reportedly delayed until August to make it perform within "acceptable" range of the GeForce GTX 690
    Ouch. Looks like all of our theories about the 7990 being impossible to build as a direct competitor to the 690 were spot on. Apparently they're either re-spinning, re-doing the board, or just binning the "best of best" chips.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iboomalot View Post
    AUG damn by that time NV might have ramped up production on the 690 to 50 units a month and AMD will loose out.
    I'd say they're "loosing" out now- EVGA has had the signature edition in stock since Saturday. (although the standard edition sold out over the weekend, and I don't know if it's been back in stock)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxforces View Post
    Overclockers is small market and you wan't change this.I know very well what year is but 99% are dumb people (like my brother and his colleagues) in these things. Just go to Bestbuy and you'll see what I mean. They don't read hardware reviews
    Personally I'd rather just buy a 2nd/3rd/4th GPU than OC one. Doesn't void my warranty, gives a lot more performance.
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