Max Payne 3

[Starscream]

Do you guys see video effects like this not just in cutscenes but while playing? I'm talking about the green flashes that happen at the :05 and :17 marks. A lot of times it appears just at the top inch or so of the screen and is more static and is less opaque, with the bottom edge having a darker green line vs the subtle edges these effects show. The green effects I get seem to be more prevalent when jump dodging, esp sideways. I find it quite annoying.

Not sure if its the same thing but throughout the game there will be a kind of green distortion in the screen.
Not 100% sure but during the game Max drinks a lot and i think this is there to show that he isnt 100% ok.

I finished the game and i liked it a lot. It is far from easy and the story is good. I miss the surroundings of the first 2 games but its stil a good game.

There are 3 things i disliked tho.
In the first 2 games you could sneak up to the bad guys and listen in on their conversations and that was fun at times, also the stuff they would say when they would spot you.
But in this game they all speak Portuguese so i dont have a clue what they are talking about.
The other bit is that when your carrying multiple weapons and you have lets say weapon 2 equipped then a short cinematic comes and when it ends your holding weapon 1 again, kind of a pain if immediatly after the cinematig a shootout follows.
The last bit is that when in MP1 and 2 i was in a room at a door you could sometimes hear people talking at the other side of the door. So i would jump thru the door using bulletime and kill all or most of the bad guys in that room before bullettime would finish.
In Max Payne 3 this isnt possible. When you try to jump thru a door using bullettime it is like jumping into a wall.

[Frag Maniac]

Yeah I know at least some rendering is done with cutscenes, I've seen the FPS transition too when running a meter while watching them in game. I was just contending that the cutscenes definitely aren't exclusively rendered only. As far as I can tell they made the cutscene intros and endings via rendering to smoothly transition into and out of gameplay graphics.

AFAIK making rendered intros and endings is the only way you really can seamlessly go in and out of cutscenes. Problem is it leaves huge video file sizes and makes for abrupt frame rate changes when the render-to-video transition occurs. On my sys it causes noticeable hitching sometimes when it happens too, probably due to my mere GTS 250.

As for the green effects, I don't like them at all. I knew before getting the game that the cutscenes were filled with flashy effects. I kept telling myself I could get used to it. Better if the cutscenes were skippable, but used to it. Now I find they use effects throughout the in game graphics and I can only hope someone makes a mod to disable it. If it's to convey drunkenness though, why does it keep showing even after the point in the game where he sobers up?

I also hope they patch some of Max's glitching when using Bullet Time. At first I thought 2 handed weapons were glitching too, as I'd notice them missing every now and then. I think it's that every time you cycle through weaps if you cycle past dual wield he automatically drops the 2 handed one, and also anytime he does something that takes two hands, unless he's not on the move while doing so.

There's also some graphics problems that need to be fixed either on Rockstar's end or Nvidia's (perhaps both) regarding severe shadow flickering at times. For me it seems to have something to do with DX10 use, although it doesn't happen on either setting now. Sometimes certain foreground textures don't show immediately when loading a save too, like part of Max's suit for instance.

Overall it's a good game with very challenging gameplay and some nice cinematic moments. Some of the set pieces and gunplay styling remind me a little bit of of Dead to Rights (cemetery scenes), Kane and Lynch 2 (fire from prone), and Sniper Elite 2 (last kill cinematics), but there's few times you can really soak in the nice graphics without any screen effects clutter.

[Ket]

After seeing more of Max 3, I'm not impressed. For 30GB I expected to see something worth looking at but I've seen a lot of screens and videos where the graphics don't look any better than early day PS3 games

[Frag Maniac]

Well, beat the game on Hard last night, and started a run on Hardcore. Currently I've only finished the first chapter, but thus far it doesn't feel any harder than Hard. Doers anyone know the specific differences between Hard and Hardcore? The menu doesn't really clarify. I know Old School takes away the cover system and Last Stand, but I'm guessing Hardcore is same damage as Hard but with fewer meds.

It's a shame that the rather good gameplay is a bit overshadowed by the gimmicky and buggy Last Stand, and the constant clutter of the over the top onscreen effects. If you have a system that can play it on DX11 with max settings and high AA, it does look pretty good though. It has some of the best mo cap I've seen in a game too.

The battles are very visceral. It behooves you to play through on easier settings to get all the golden gun upgrades and get to know the layout and AI positions before stepping up to the harder levels. Some of the tougher battles are 1) running the gauntlet along the ship's outer walkway against a barrage of troops dockside at Panama, 2) a standoff against waves of UFE from the back of a bus, 3) getting back indoors from the pool terrace at the dilapidated hotel, 4) a lobby, office room, forensics lab and shooting range in the police station, 5) getting past the baggage conveyor and catwalks entering the airport, and 6) the final firefight at the airport.

Oddly enough I was preparing the whole game for the final battle to be the hardest, even though it was pretty easy on my Med run vs the Easy run, where I thought you had to get to the plane before it took off. Turns out entering the airport's baggage area was tougher than I'd expected, but I finally found a fairly good way to deal with it. It's easily one of the hardest if not THE hardest spots on Hard though.

That said, Chapter 13 at the police station was the only one where I felt compelled to go prone in a few spots and lure enemies to me, since the available cover was difficult to use, so it might be the toughest chapter for me overall. Despite it's over the top cinematic effects, noir styling and third person perspective, Max Payne 3 is a shooter's shooter. You have to be spot on when cranking up the difficulty.

Given how many painkillers I had to spare on Hard, and the fact that I used blind fire sparingly, I'm thinking I can probably beat it on Hardcore, though you never know until you try. I imagine Old School may be an exercise in futility with no cover system, but I'm not sure I'll miss the very buggy Last Stand, even if it means repeatedly reloading checkpoints post death.

[Andrea deluxe]

@napalm..

what osd info are in the screen?

[NapalmV5]

@napalm..

what osd info are in the screen?

umm as you see the 3x gpus/temperature/load/shader and memory clocks/voltage/memory usage/fps/d3d version

is that what youre asking ??

[andressergio]

hey you guys getting variable vsync ? vsync forced on at control panel

videos @ 120-180fps

gameplay @ 180fps

3x gtx580 3gb

great pics my friend does your screen get tearing at 180fps ? what LCD are you using ?

cheers
Sergio

[NapalmV5]

great pics my friend does your screen get tearing at 180fps ? what LCD are you using ?

cheers
Sergio

thank you my friend.. no tearing.. smooth and fluid

a month ago my 50" plasma belly uped and was looking to get a better hdtv.. again i went for a plasma a 60" samsung e8000 and after loud buzzing even at 12 feet away and green sparkling pixels in dark areas i got fed up with plasmas and returned it.. in the meantime prices on the mitsubishi laservue tumbled and pulled the trigger on this beauty: http://www.mitsubishi-tv.com/tv/L75-A94

i had 60hz on the new plasma and the new laservue.. i played ac revelations for the last week @ 60hz

but after installing w8 release + mp3 over the weekend i was pleasantly greeted with the variable vsynced 120-180fps

i guess its the laservue but it only does 120hz at movies.. thats why ive asked you guys if you guys are getting variable vsync too

then again it may be the game

[andressergio]

thank you my friend.. no tearing.. smooth and fluid

a month ago my 50" plasma belly uped and was looking to get a better hdtv.. again i went for a plasma a 60" samsung e8000 and after loud buzzing even at 12 feet away and green sparkling pixels in dark areas i got fed up with plasmas and returned it.. in the meantime prices on the mitsubishi laservue tumbled and pulled the trigger on this beauty: http://www.mitsubishi-tv.com/tv/L75-A94

i had 60hz on the new plasma and the new laservue.. i played ac revelations for the last week @ 60hz

but after installing w8 release + mp3 over the weekend i was pleasantly greeted with the variable vsynced 120-180fps

i guess its the laservue but it only does 120hz at movies.. thats why ive asked you guys if you guys are getting variable vsync too

then again it may be the game

WOW WOW those toys aint in my country lol and if they are i have to sell my car to get one lol

enjoy it man !!!
Sergio

[Frag Maniac]

hey you guys getting variable vsync ? vsync forced on at control panel...

Curious as to why you'd force it on globally vs turning it on in Program Setting for each specific title that requires it?

[STEvil]

Too bad that laservue isnt true 120hz and 2560x1080/1440... i'd buy one NOW.

[NapalmV5]

WOW WOW those toys aint in my country lol and if they are i have to sell my car to get one lol

enjoy it man !!!
Sergio

thanks man i do enjoy it.. no pixels no eye strain and the natural video processing/colors is the best ive experinced.. jaw dropping

it does have flaws/defects though.. imperfect screen geometry like the old crt monitors aiii! and no 1:1 pixel mapping/format.. the funny thing is that despite all the flaws and defects they are not noticeable/apparent when gaming when viewing hd cable just on the pc desktop

as for price 3500$ same as the sony 55" xbr hx929 led which i got for my father

Curious as to why you'd force it on globally vs turning it on in Program Setting for each specific title that requires it?

curious? nothing curious about it.. some games dont have the setting at all and some of the ones that do youd rather believe a whore that it runs vsynced.. same goes for anisotropic filtering

unless critical i do not bother with setting control panel per game

Too bad that laservue isnt true 120hz and 2560x1080/1440... i'd buy one NOW.

i guess thats for the next laservues

im fine with 60hz because of those crazy titles that absolutely trashes x number of gpus.. like the 2x-3x ubersmapling of witcher2 for ex

and yet its doing 180hz vsynced and it spikes over 200fps 205 vsynced.. since its capable of 180hz very likely its capable of 240hz given enough feeding: 4x gpus

looking at the load on the gpus and fps.. when gpu1 and 2 are equally loaded yet 3rd gpu -4% = 120hz.. when all 3x gpus are equally loaded bam 180hz so given a 4th gpu and the laservue should do 240hz vsync

really good reason to go 4x gpus when i upgrade

[Frag Maniac]

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curious? nothing curious about it.. some games dont have the setting at all and some of the ones that do youd rather believe a whore that it runs vsynced.. same goes for anisotropic filtering

unless critical i do not bother with setting control panel per game

I find it odd you'd use the word critical here. You have a high end system yet can't seem to see that in this case the game's VSync actually runs smoother than Nvidia's. So while your "rather believe a whore" comment is colorful and all, it's far from accurate.

[NapalmV5]

I find it odd you'd use the word critical here. You have a high end system yet can't seem to see that in this case the game's VSync actually runs smoother than Nvidia's . So while your "rather believe a whore" comment is colorful and all, it's far from accurate.

lol prove it! haha.. till then pick your forums skirmishes with someone else.. saw it coming before you even thought about it

[Frag Maniac]

lol prove it! haha.. till then pick your forums skirmishes with someone else.. saw it coming before you even thought about it

LOL, you're the one that saw fit to turn it into a "skirmish" over a mere valid question, and if I were to "prove it" as you say by taking the time to upload footage showing screen tear with Nvidia's VSync and none with the game's VSync, how would that solve anything? If you can't see it now you're never going to acknowledge seeing it, proof or not.

Seems a lot of peeps with high end systems are used to being coddled into thinking they're always right just because some of those here in their envy blow smoke up their behinds. I've seen more maturity on some forums that have half of their members playing on consoles.

[STEvil]

Then take your immaturity, confrontational attitude, and poor reading comprehension to those forums.

[andressergio]

chills guys nothing to fight with its the eye of the observer here...for me at 180fps any LCD will tear, even the best one mine tears and i have a very good one 2560x1440, if he dont feels the tearing he might be a good LCD or he dont notice

but why fight ?

cheers to all
Sergio

[NapalmV5]

wow the more reason to hate me now oh crap

sergio no fight i was chillin i knew where it was heading to.. why he wanna pick a fight over vsync settings? envy? as he put it^ had nothing to do with vsync/global settings.. whats funny is that i dont even have the latest hardware: old gpus/cpu/ram/mobo/etc.. i dont envy/hate those that have better hardware than me doesnt give me any reason to envy/hate.. anyways id like to point out that i wasnt referring to mp3 about the global vsync/af settings.. i was referring to all the games ive played throughout the years.. oh well

sergio the 120-180hz is vsynced.. when i set vsync to force off the screen tears badly

ive installed and played acr and bf3 and both were vsynced @ 60hz no 120hz nor 180hz.. while all 3 gpus were equally loaded on both acr and bf3

so guys whats different about mp3 vsync ? is it the game or is it the drivers ? or a combination of the two ?

if its the game.. is vsync gpu based ? multi gpu vsync ?

what other games should i try ?

oh btw ive set fxaa+tess to very high with minimal hit still doing 120-180hz easy

[Chickenfeed]

Does that happen with only 1 display connected or 2?

I tried to replicate it but no luck using 2 680s either with 1 or 2 monitors in use. Perhaps tri sli is doing somthing werid in the drivers?

EDIT: I notice those were all on Windows 8. Does this occur in 7 as well? Given Nvidia 8 drivers were just officially released, I'd try those if you haven't yet.

[NapalmV5]

Does that happen with only 1 display connected or 2?

I tried to replicate it but no luck using 2 680s either with 1 or 2 monitors in use. Perhaps tri sli is doing somthing werid in the drivers?

EDIT: I notice those were all on Windows 8. Does this occur in 7 as well? Given Nvidia 8 drivers were just officially released, I'd try those if you haven't yet.

you are not getting 120hz on the 2 680s ? default/oced ? hmm should be getting 120hz throughout

im only using one display.. at first it was on the mits and then yesterday on the sony @ 120-180hz and then i connected both and duplicated and still got 120-180hz

i ran mp3 at 1280x720 and it shouldve vsynced at 240hz it did not

sony: 960hz subframe mits: 120hz so its not the subframe

it has to do with the number of gpus:

1gpu : 60hz
2gpu : 120hz
3gpu : 120-180hz
4gpu : 120-240hz

yes on windows 8 and 302.80 now no difference from 296.17 still 120-180hz

[Chickenfeed]

Why would I get 120Hz on a 60Hz display? And last time I checked all current (ie not DLP) TV displays are still using interpolation for 120+ ( unless this has changed?) That subframe stuff with plasmas is just to avoid flicker, it has nothing to do with the input. HDMI 1.4 doesn't have the bandwidth to properly do 1080 120Hz yet anyways :/

Do you have a TV that can accept a native 120Hz single or something? Even then it should still vsync to 120 and not fluctuate to 180. Have you tried disabling SLI to see if the vync'd rate changes?

As far as MP3 goes, I just finished it last night. Really enjoyed it and definately going to replay on key and mouse once my new monitor gets here ( I played through it on my plasma with a 360 controll sans aim assist ) Can be a quite unforgiving game but it makes you rethink how you approach certain scenarios which is always welcomed.

[NapalmV5]

i know exactly..

do i have a native 120hz ? all hdtv manufacturers are very vague on most of their specs to put in nice words

mits is only a true 60hz display but sony.. "Panel Frequency : 240Hz"

http://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/sto...specifications

now what the heck do they mean by that ^ a true native 240hz @ 1080p ??

on the desktop its only 60hz.. when i loaded up acr and bf3 still got only 60hz

mp3 is the only game im getting 120-180hz and its not a bogus/glitch because its very gpu dependent

[Chickenfeed]

My new display showed up from Korea and I've tried surround just for the hell of it and am still not seeing any werid vsync behaviour. At this point it must be something to do with Max Payne 3 in relation to 5 series gpus in SLI. Very strange indeed my man

Anyhow what have you thought of the game yourself?

[Linchpin]

I'm upto chapter 6 so far and I like it so far, nice to have something that's a little old school at times gameplay wise while still being a good cinematic experience. The little HD6570M in my laptop seems quite happy playing it on high with no AA which was also a pleasant surprise considering the initial recommend specs posts. 30gb download and install was a little excessive though.

[NapalmV5]

My new display showed up from Korea and I've tried surround just for the hell of it and am still not seeing any werid vsync behaviour. At this point it must be something to do with Max Payne 3 in relation to 5 series gpus in SLI. Very strange indeed my man

Anyhow what have you thought of the game yourself?

i did disable sli and it was doing 120hz at videos and 60hz at gameplay vsync

yeh anyhow.. i only got into chapter iii.. good graphics.. so far its not bad i like it.. shorter videos woulve been better.. dont mind the bullet time i dont use it if/when i dont want to simple