You wouldn't Download a Car...

[Bobsama]

It's not a homeland security issue. That's hilarious.


We might as well blame HDD manufacturers for building 4TB drives since that'll allow use to keep more content without having a massive array of drives.

As for the 635TB car torrent.... what's the cheapest raid array I can build to get it?!

How about 233 3TB hard drives in RAID0 or JBOD?

[FischOderAal]

give it a few more years and soon you will have an actual measurable portion of the torrent population using the excuse "i feel less violated when i download rather than buy"

and thats not being specific to just movies. video game DRM is actually scary for some titles. the always online policy is a slap in the face to the military who are stationed somewhere without dependable internet connections. the limited install count has caused thousands of people to have dead copies of games because they had a HDD failure or simply re-installed windows. and not kidding, but GWFL actually caused my copy of fallout3 to become worthless. the CDkey would not work with steam, and gfwl would not accept it either. the only way i could get the DLC for it was to buy the game of the year edition.

for movies the problem becomes access and cost. for me to rent a new title i have to pay 5$ to download it and keep for only 24 hours (comcast on demand) or wait a month before i can get it for 1$ per day (redbox), or drive 30 miles to the only video store still in business. technology was suppose to make things easier and cheaper, but compared to my old subscription which was 15$ a month, i could keep 2 movies as long as i wanted. so i usually watched 6 or so movies a month at 15$, and no worries about what day i want to watch it, or if my internet will lag (comcast on demand for hd use to be so bad this was an actual issue).

as of right now its great that the most reliable and convenient way to watch a movie is through a torrent, is just proof that hollywood cares too much about the few dollars they lost to a few people, when it means sticking to the 95% of their customers that are still loyal to them... for now.

Another good point. Renting / buying videos, music and books online is way to expensive. In Germany eBooks are nearly as expensive as the regular versions. I.e. the book I'm reading at the moment: 25 EUR for a printed copy, 20 EUR for the kindle version. I mean, what the ?! And I can't give the kindle version to friends or read it in 10 years, because who knows if Amazon will be bancrupt till then. This is ridiculous. The industry is screwing us over and keeps on complaining how much money they claim to lose through copyright infringement, even though it is not guaranteed that everyone who downloaded a copy would have bought one.

Seriously? The content mafia can eat my shorts and shut the up. Nothing improves when you keep on whining. Make good offers and people will buy. Considering how many people already buy crappy DRM'ed content I can't imagine how many people will buy stuff when there is no DRM and it's even cheaper.

Oh, and the Avengers just broke all the records for the opening weekend in the US. Yeah, tell me how bad copyright infringement is for the industry...

This is incredible. How can people be such ignorant s? I bought way more than 100 CDs, own more than 40 Blu Rays, own more than 60 books and still the content mafia keeps telling me "copyright infringement is bad mkay" and that everybody on the internet is stealing. I'm sick and tired of this bull.

Too bad I'm not an artist and so the content mafia can't infringe any of my copyright. I'd sue the out of that s until they go bankrupt. For the good of the world.

€dith: Got a bit carried away there. But you catch my drift.

Oh, and don't get me started on GFWL... It used to be easy to keep your savegames when you have to reinstall your computer or change your computer. Just copy the filesaves! But thanks to DRM it has become next to impossible. Thank you very much ... NOT. How stupid can the industry get? Do they really expect us to swallow all their and keep on buying their crappy content?

[Manicdan]

^hahaha, i forgot about books

i just got the Game of Thrones series and its 30$ for kindle, 20$ for paperback. and one of those i can share, guess which.
also a co-worker found out that the kindle lending library, only lets you read those books on a kindle, not a phone. and that make no sense since you paid for the prime service, who cares how you read.

[FischOderAal]

^hahaha, i forgot about books

i just got the Game of Thrones series and its 30$ for kindle, 20$ for paperback. and one of those i can share, guess which.
also a co-worker found out that the kindle lending library, only lets you read those books on a kindle, not a phone. and that make no sense since you paid for the prime service, who cares how you read.

Yeah. They keep pushing down our throats and are surprised when we puke all over them.

[masterg]

so its the same warning thats been on movies for like the past 20 years and now its black instead of blue with a shiny new jpg on it? >_>

[rk7p5]

Wow this is just crazy. I just saw a commercial for walmart and now they're offering to rip your dvd and br movies for $2 a disc lol.

[Darxide]

Bang on. That's the sad part. People who illegally download their movies have the higher quality product.

Yeh! That's the problem right there. Goes for games too. I'm so sick of buying a PC-DVD only to find it has some bull DRM, limited number of installs etc.
It's almost like they are trying to make piracy the more attractive option.

[prava]

I'm actually happy that all of this is happening, and I'm not kidding. If you look at the whole map, at the whole situation, its better for all of us: the big companies are doing everything worse for themselves because, whether they believe it or not, they are pushing the situation into a no-return ending. Why?

Publishers, as we used to know them, are sorta disappearing. The big lobbies that once were in the hands of a handful or people are no longer needed. Why?
-The indie developers are flourishing.
-Other ways of financing projects are also growing madly, such as Kickstarter.
-They are pushing all our buttons into the opposite direction they should be.

You know, I never understood what was the real purpose of DRM. For instance, I had to suffer those damn limitations for more than a decade, to a point that sometimes I had to go and find myself looking for "ways" to make the product I PAID for work in the first place; and don't get me wrong, I'm a paying customer, as I understand that people working to bring a product to the market should get paid for it...but whats not acceptable by any means is that me, the paying guy, has to suffer hell and more to get the damn product to work in the first place...when I could get it 100% free (both money-free and hassle-free).

For instance, I bought some years ago Stalker: Clear Sky, and it comes with a very "nice" DRM that sometimes says that the DVD is not into the drive. Why should I go navigate the whole internet trying to find a solution I never created in the first place? Why? What to they win by putting such crap into products YOU PAID FOR? Its just... I don't know, but anybody with a working logic would consider such model as offensive, pointless and, specially, RETARDED.

If you were to talk about the music industry...they sell less, but of course they do! Many years ago you only heard on the radio the best songs of every album and then, after you paid for it, you discovered that only 10% of the songs were actually worth it...and that you were ripped off. They keep complaining that piracy has been screwing them...when the fact of the matter is that whenever a good artist/group/dj goes on stage, people pay bazillions to go see them. Heck, I never bought an album for Cold play yet I'd easily pay $200 to go to any of their concerts (but they don't make much), and the electronic industry ain't based on music sells...but in entrance tickets for the main events (and mind you, world class DJ's get paid a LOT of money).

All in all, the world is changing. With the internet being as useful for promotion as nothing ever we have seen was, the need to very big commercials and the like is dieing every day. Good products will always sell...and artists need less and less the help of big firms that will cash so hard on them they will make them regret such decision. Also, if we are talking about games, they are doing truly wrong: I have no fear to admit that I analyse every single game I buy to see whether the DRM they carry is acceptable or not...and that my money will never go to those who doesn't behave accordingly, specially in this market in which I can choose whether to pay or not to for a product.

[445533]

Now torrents are even more convenient and provide again, a higher quality product.

This is great news. More people will pirate now.

[SexyMF]

Meh.

Just because a movie is ripped without the copyright notice doesn't make it any better 'quality' - just 20 seconds shorter

A pirated (DRM free) game isn't magically better for it. You can avoid possible online authentication issues, but this also means you entirely miss out on online content and interations.

Installation limits on games is a non issue. Most people never hit it - and if they do it is very easily resolved [I have personal experience in this]

A physical book can only be shared/loaned to one person at a time who can't take a copy of. An electronic copy runs great risk of being exponentially copied (same for games)



Times are changing. You can not possibly be suprised by laws etc being modernised to suit the digital age.

And to those who keep saying 'it's not stealing', be realistic. Would you really stand up in court and say that? If so, best of luck to you.

[Clint]

Funny you put it in that scenario, becuase you would never hear that term in a court case of this kind. It's simply wrong terminology as the word "stealing" is already reserved for when you deprive the owner of his property. Basic stuff really, a definition that goes waaaaaaaaayyyyy back. Making copies will not make the owners stuff vanish...so it can't be stealing. The logical sartomortale of "stealing revenue" is also fundamnentally flawed, you cant steal revenue...its not a physical property. I would like to keep the legal terminology intact thank you. Soon enough we will have to define stealing into sub-classes, "copy-stealing", "revenue-stealing", and ofcourse ..."stealing-stealing".

And to those who keep saying 'it's not stealing', be realistic. Would you really stand up in court and say that? If so, best of luck to you.

[Movieman]

Funny you put it in that scenario, becuase you would never hear that term in a court case of this kind. It's simply wrong terminology as the word "stealing" is already reserved for when you deprive the owner of his property. Basic stuff really, a definition that goes waaaaaaaaayyyyy back. Making copies will not make the owners stuff vanish...so it can't be stealing. The logical sartomortale of "stealing revenue" is also fundamnentally flawed, you cant steal revenue...its not a physical property. I would like to keep the legal terminology intact thank you. Soon enough we will have to define stealing into sub-classes, "copy-stealing", "revenue-stealing", and ofcourse ..."stealing-stealing".

Not taking sides but trying to define the "theft"
What is being "stolen" is the loss of a potential sale and that is why you have the digital rights act.
It has nothing to do with protecting "intelectual rights"
It like most things in life is all about money and the potential loss of such money.
Now even that can be argued.
Lets say just for the sake of arguement that I happen to want to take a look at something like Adobe Photoshop out of curiousity.
Being a average income blue collar guy the cost of such is beyond my means but I still have that curiousity.
So I grab a bootlegged copy, look at it for a week or six, satisfy that curiousity and done.
In that scenario there is no loss to the Adobe company because no matter whether a bootlegged copy was available or not I wouldn't be buying the program.
That's just a small example to make my point but I can make others on the other side of the argument.
Answer? I don't know. One could say greed plays a part from both the companies and the individuals perspective.
Does a DVD have to cost $20.00?
Maybe, maybe not.
Depends on the business plan of the company making it.
IF they decide that they want to make enough money to have the top guys making 6 or 7 figures a year then maybe it is worth the $20.00
That's the greed angle from their end and since they are essentially monopolies and do price fixing between the companies we get that $20.00 price.
Now from the other side there is little Joey with his Dell that Mom and Dad bought him and little Joey is too damned lazy to get even a part time job to for his gaming and movie habit and has 12 gazillion dvdr's covering his room 4 ft deep with every movie,game and piece of pr0n that exists..
Definately two sides to this problem and just like the rest of life..Answers aren't easy..

[alpha0ne]

Now from the other side there is little DAVE with his Dell that Mom and Dad bought him and little DAVE is too damned lazy to get even a part time job to for his gaming and movie habit and has 12 gazillion dvdr's covering his room 4 ft deep with every movie,game and piece of pr0n that exists..
Definately two sides to this problem and just like the rest of life..Answers aren't easy..

You talkin 'bout yerself there Movieman

Yes it is a complex issue but until the content producers are dragged into the 21st century it will remain a contentious issue

ATM its in the lawyers best interest to keep the status quo where DRM is just another billion $ industry ..................rinse/repeat

[Movieman]

You talkin 'bout yerself there Movieman

Yes it is a complex issue but until the content producers are dragged into the 21st century it will remain a contentious issue

ATM its in the lawyers best interest to keep the status quo where DRM is just another billion $ industry ..................rinse/repeat

Cute, but I don't game and as to movies, well I don't game..

[SabreWulf69]

Another piracy thread, expecting closure in 3...2...1... haha, but seriously, if I can bring up some of the crap legitimate users of games have to put up with (from my own bewildering experience) -

My BF3 story -
"Installing BF3... - whilst I'm not saying I condone piracy, 5hrs to install a game is a little ing ridiculous. Just saying is all...

Install Origin, update Origin... twice, install game off disc's from Origin, download and install HUGE 4.5GB update through Origin for game...

Whilst I wouldn't exactly say they force us into piracy, they certainly don't look after the users that spend their own money on their games. They certainly also don't give people much reason to turn from piracy -_-

...game updated...browser not compatible to open the Battelog link... setting Opera as my Default browser... success! now setting up player profile through the Battlelog on the Opera broswer...

‎...goes to launch game from Battlelog... must be launched from a NON-64-bit browser... downloading 32-bit Opera...

FINALLY success."

It's things like this that I believe why some people pirate as people prefer not to have to do things like this just to play a game. Granted, I'm having heaps of fun on it, but gone are the days of Warcraft 2, where you could pop in a disc install, and off ya go.

Now things like this for just movies? Soon your going to have to sign up for an online service and a DVD update to enable you to play one. Before this though you may have to make sure your player is compatible and 'flashed' to the latest firmware. You will also want to make sure all your cabling is anti-piracy certified. You will also need HDCP compliant couches and remote controls. *sigh* the media industry buffoons go on. We can't pass SOPA, let's piss the people off some other way. Let's do all this stuff to make our points justified to ourselves. Lol in the future for StarTrek style holo novels... you need to dance for entire day and sing a specific tune to unlock you holo novel content.

[OutSider]

I just don`t get why for example WoW cost the same from blizzard site no matter if its retail or digital download is not digital supposed to be cheaper after all you don`t receive physical copy no disk,box,manuals all this crap they are paying money for?

[El Mano]

So nobody read Robin Hood?
Piracy is our best weapon against abusive publishers like EA.
I do condone piracy as a way to protest against those said publishers.
I don't like people pirating games from decent publishers/devs.
Long live piracy, death to the sheeple.

[[XC] Oj101]

No, it DOES make a better product. I got both of these working without resorting to illegal methods, but what a PITA for something I PAID for

My issue with NFS:HP2010 not opening and related to DRM http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...h-Hot-Pursuit&
My issue with Bulletstorm not allowing me to create an account, related to DRM http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...L-please-help&

And finally I'll leave you with this...

[gallag]

love that people blame the internet for piracy, like its a modern problem. ask the artists from the 70s 80s and 90s if the people pressing play and record at the same time to record the top ten on "tape" hurt them. the simple fact is if people can't afford it they will just record tape or download it. its not a lost sale if they could not afford it in the first place.

It still seems artists make a fortune despite the poor people enjoying there art, mabey if the artists self published instead of swelling the banks of the Simon cowells of this world everyone except the fat cats would be happy. imagine an artist offered his art for free but still made millions every year by performing live, touring etc, the only people this would hurt are the suites piggybacking of others talents.

[Darxide]

Yeh, that picture right there sums it up nicely. And not sure if you get it in the US, but here in the UK a lot of Blu Rays have a really annoying anti piracy ad, that can't be skipped ofcourse, guy steals a car "you wouldn't steal a car would you?"....guys swipes a girls bag "you wouldn't steal a handbag?"....guy downloads a movie "you wouldnt steal a movie would you? WOULD YOU?"
I mean come on! I bought the movie! Why are you showing me this?
Althoug credit where it's due, one studio, universal I think, simply has a really quick cartoon, like about 5 seconds, little cartoon dude holding a Disc, and big 'THANK YOU' falls from the sky behind him....voice over quicky says 'Thank you for supporting the movie industry'. Thats FAR less patronising that the 'Don't steal' crap the others use. I'm looking at you FOX!

Edit, found it online. Here. Now if they all used that it wouldn't be so bad, and far less patronising.

[prava]

Meh.

Just because a movie is ripped without the copyright notice doesn't make it any better 'quality' - just 20 seconds shorter

A pirated (DRM free) game isn't magically better for it. You can avoid possible online authentication issues, but this also means you entirely miss out on online content and interations.

Installation limits on games is a non issue. Most people never hit it - and if they do it is very easily resolved [I have personal experience in this]

A physical book can only be shared/loaned to one person at a time who can't take a copy of. An electronic copy runs great risk of being exponentially copied (same for games)



Times are changing. You can not possibly be suprised by laws etc being modernised to suit the digital age.

And to those who keep saying 'it's not stealing', be realistic. Would you really stand up in court and say that? If so, best of luck to you.

The US ain't the center of the world, you know? I can legally download whatever I want in here, as long as I don't try to make a profit off of it. Also, the fact of the matter is that the digital world cut off a lot of business that were into the chain but, funnily enough, the prices remain the same...yet we have less privileges and...THEY EXPECT CUSTOMERS TO DO NOTHING ABOUT IT?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!

WTF? If I buy an ebook...
a) I depend that the company who sold me doesn't bankrupt.
b) I can't pass it to whoever I want.
c) Can't sell it.
d) IF somehow I broke a stupid EULA I lose it.
e) Its almost the same price as the "real" thing.

In my own world, thats called STEALING. If a physical book, that needs to be transported, that requires a storage facility because it occupies some physical space, that needs to be printed and so on costs about the same as something that goes directly from a computer to another computer...then its OBVIOUS the damn model is a ing ruin and that we are being treated like crap yet another time.

And no, I won't support any part of this miserable system. With all the disadvantatges the digital system has, the price should be like 1/3 of the physical one for me to consider it. Heck, I've got books that my dad bought like 45 years ago, and that will be with us forever as long as we take care of them but, who tells me that amazon won't bankrupt next decade? That EA won't either? Steam? What happens with all the products I paid (and don't tell me about the stupid license thing)?

huh?

[Movieman]

Yeah. They keep pushing down our throats and are surprised when we puke all over them.

Can you please take the few seconds required when you post to clean up your words so that the rest of us aren't greeted with a screen of dancing banana's?
Thanks!

[zalbard]

Yeh, that picture right there sums it up nicely. And not sure if you get it in the US, but here in the UK a lot of Blu Rays have a really annoying anti piracy ad, that can't be skipped ofcourse, guy steals a car "you wouldn't steal a car would you?"....guys swipes a girls bag "you wouldn't steal a handbag?"....guy downloads a movie "you wouldnt steal a movie would you? WOULD YOU?"
I mean come on! I bought the movie! Why are you showing me this?

http://youtu.be/7MgZqMx-qWw

[[XC] Synthetickiller]

Forget downloading cars..... Where can I download gasoline?

[kuroikenshi]

Can you please take the few seconds required when you post to clean up your words so that the rest of us aren't greeted with a screen of dancing banana's?
Thanks!

Its ok Dave, I usually have banana smoothies for breakfast, so everyday when I wake up my kitchen greets me with about 2 kilos of them sitting on the bench. I dare say he likes bananas too...