NVIDIA GeForce GTX 690 Reviews

[MaddMuppet]

Sorry. I didn't realize it was common knowledge that the GTX590 was "better" than the 6990...
Learn something new from Rollo every day.

How could you not know that everything Rollo says is the honest truth.

[Rollo]

How could you not know that everything Rollo says is the honest truth.

LordEC: Posts "The GTX590 was barely faster than a 5970 (false) and could not compete with the 6990 (false)".

Rollo: Post links to some websites showing the 590 and 6990 traded benchmarks, depending on the game and that people liked it better due SLi vs CF and much quieter.

Others: "The reviews I read seemed to favor the 590"

MadMuppet:"Clearly Rollo is a liar!"

This is what is frustrating about these forums at times. Anytime AMD wins any benchmark, whether its WinZip for the Bulldozer or Shogun for the 6990, the AMD fanbase yells "Yaayyyy! AMD wins again! Why would anyone buy anything else?!".

I definitely prefer NVIDIA products, but I give AMD their due where they win, and I don't post anything inaccurate about NVIDIA products. (and if I did, I'd expect/hope to be corrected because i have no desire to have disinformation associated with me)

I stand by everything I've said in this thread and would like to see anyone prove otherwise. I'll also put up a bottle of Patron to the first person who wants to take the bet that AMD can't launch a 7990 with two full 7970 core at 1000MHz.

And if they can't, they're competing on price alone, as I've said all along.

[LordEC911]

Once you get past the Nvidia guided benchmarks from around launch day things get a bit murkier for the GTX590.
You are commenting about what is frustrating on these forums? What happened back in March?

Edit- You also are completely missing the point and turned this into a nice little sideshow.
Obviously you are very good at that while attempting to twist everything that is said.

[iboomalot]

well said rollo

Its plain to see you prefer NV and NV makes a great product.

ATI 7970 is more of a overall product than the 680 since the NV card lacks computing and proper HDMI auto support.

Does the 7970 win some games yes does the 680 win alot of games yes. -- Less computing + 181 mhz core clock makes for a killer GPU.

One big problem is buying the 680 since in 2 months from release its near impossilbe to find one.

ATI had a 3month lead on the 680 but its looking like ATI is dragging its feet on the 7990 probly due to the issues you mentioned. If ATI does cut back some

computing processing and drops core temps to allow a dual 1Kmhz 7990 that would make for a killer card.

Time will tell thanks for your input

[Chickenfeed]

proper HDMI auto support.

I honestly haven't had any problems in regards to HDMI audio or video with my equipment... on either my 680s or my 670

I can pass audio to my TV direct no issue or to my amp as pcm or direct for DTS MA and Dolby HD. They work no better or worse than when I used my 5870 to do the same.

[iboomalot]

I honestly haven't had any problems in regards to HDMI audio or video with my equipment... on either my 680s or my 670

I can pass audio to my TV direct no issue or to my amp as pcm or direct for DTS MA and Dolby HD. They work no better or worse than when I used my 5870 to do the same.

try running 7.1 or 5.1 and see what happens

Iam sure running stereo isn't an issue never has been

[STEvil]

nV should drop the prices of their cards if they're going to leave that bug in there.

[Chickenfeed]

try running 7.1 or 5.1 and see what happens

I am sure running stereo isn't an issue never has been

I'm not quite sure what you are trying to say here?

I can play stereo audio on my TV via HDMI on my 670 as well as my previous 580. 5.1/7.1 works fine as both PCM and encoded formats on my reciever. I'm not exactly sure what the issue is The only minor disadvantage prior enthusiast Nvidia hardware had was lack of passthrough for Dolby and DTS studio formats. Even at that the difference between those formats natively and PCM is not perceptable whatsoever. Any decent media playback software with Bluray support will decode the stream and pass PCM to the reciever.

And for reference sake, I used a 5870 prior to my 580 and it didn't handle HDMI audio any differently for me than my 680/670 do now... ?

[Manicdan]

I'm not quite sure what you are trying to say here?

I can play stereo audio on my TV via HDMI on my 670 as well as my previous 580. 5.1/7.1 works fine as both PCM and encoded formats on my reciever. I'm not exactly sure what the issue is The only minor disadvantage prior Nvidia hardware had was lack of passthrough for Dolby and DTS studio formats. Even at that the difference between PCM is not perceptable whatsoever. Any decent media playback software with Bluray support will decode the stream and pass PCM to the reciever.

theres plenty of details already out
fact is nvidia hdmi reads the tvs EDID signal and for most tvs that means 2 channel sound only, even if the tv is set for passthrough, which could pass any signal through.

a simple override on nvidias control panel and it would be an issue. but that has been too much to ask for years now

[Natalia]

We're still to expect a GTX685 around Sept/Oct right?

[bamtan2]

We're still to expect a GTX685 around Sept/Oct right?

what

[highoctane]

Not sure what a 685 would be, going off past product that nomenclature would mean a die shrunk 680, not happening afaik.

[Lanek]

I think Natalia mean " 780 " .. not 685 .. Well the second generation .. or the BigK ...


Tesla GK110 is not waited before Q4 2012 and Q1 2013, this will be the first card to use GK110 it seems, so we shouldnt expect anything before, if the next "gaming" card is too GK110 based .

But Nvidia have allready surprise use by just release something at a moment we was waiting it a bit later.

[Chickenfeed]

theres plenty of details already out
fact is nvidia hdmi reads the tvs EDID signal and for most tvs that means 2 channel sound only, even if the tv is set for passthrough, which could pass any signal through.

a simple override on nvidias control panel and it would be an issue. but that has been too much to ask for years now

Interesting... care to elaborate as to why one would want to pass multi channel audio through a TV? I personally don't forsee a scenario where I'd want to do so given a reciever does everything now?

[Manicdan]

Interesting... care to elaborate as to why one would want to pass multi channel audio through a TV? I personally don't forsee a scenario where I'd want to do so given a reciever does everything now?

just cause a receiver does everything now, does not mean everyone has a new receiver with 6 hdmi inputs. and some people do not even like it, they just want it to handle sound and let the tv handle video.

i actually had one that broke and the hdmi ports stopped working. (shipping it out was 50$, or driving 2 hours to the nearest yamaha service store, just not worth the effort) so i used my tv for inputs and an optical cable out to the receiver. thats how i found out about this nvidia problem. it worked just fine for my cable, ps3, ati card, laptops. the only thing that cant do it is my nvidia card.

i just bought a new onkyo on friday. and honestly some of the driving force was nvidias problem and it being resolved by me having to plug in an extra optical cable and switch it from pc to tv every time i wanted to watch a movie. but im not cheap when it comes to tv/stereo, and i still have a sony that is over 10 years old now and still works perfectly and it only got replaced by a bundle with some klipse speakers. so theres plenty of scenarios where hdmi is not provided/desired to be handled by the receiver.

[Chickenfeed]

Okay I see what you are saying now. I purchased an HDMI reciever explicitly to simply things along with a harmony one because I was tired of making everything more complicated than it should be. Honestly now though HDMI is the way to go for home theater assuming you have the appropriate hardware for it. Optical is far to limiting on a PC if you intend to play back non encoded content. Your stuck with stereo PCM unless you use a sound card with DDL or DTS Connect encoding ( which I used for like 4 years ) Not to mention this process tends to add enough audio latency that it causes a slight sync issue. It works and all but it was far some an elegant and trouble free solution.

Anyways... has anyone been able to get a 690 in their hands (without having to sell one of their hands in the process )

[highoctane]

just cause a receiver does everything now, does not mean everyone has a new receiver with 6 hdmi inputs. and some people do not even like it, they just want it to handle sound and let the tv handle video.

i actually had one that broke and the hdmi ports stopped working. (shipping it out was 50$, or driving 2 hours to the nearest yamaha service store, just not worth the effort) so i used my tv for inputs and an optical cable out to the receiver. thats how i found out about this nvidia problem. it worked just fine for my cable, ps3, ati card, laptops. the only thing that cant do it is my nvidia card.

i just bought a new onkyo on friday. and honestly some of the driving force was nvidias problem and it being resolved by me having to plug in an extra optical cable and switch it from pc to tv every time i wanted to watch a movie. but im not cheap when it comes to tv/stereo, and i still have a sony that is over 10 years old now and still works perfectly and it only got replaced by a bundle with some klipse speakers. so theres plenty of scenarios where hdmi is not provided/desired to be handled by the receiver.

Try searching in regards to the issue with pass through related to TV's rather than the video card, there's allot of info on it now than when I was screwing around with it. I was reading that some of the xbox users where having the same issue with the TV's not passing through all the audio channels as well as other digital devices. They disabled something along the lines of automatic display detect on the devices which allowed the xbox to send 5.1 through the tv and pass through the optical to the reciever.

I haven't tried to get mine working after so long but you bringing the issue up got me a little interested about it again.

Maybe find out what chip Nvidia uses to send hdmi audio, AMD used to use the realtek I believe, maybe you can use manufacturer audio drivers which may allow forcing all channels out.

It's a stupid kink that shouldn't be so annoying to fix, Nvidia should allow forcing the stream and the TV's shouldn't be forcing the the gimping.

[Manicdan]

if it was stupid and simple, hours of searching across years of other people trying to fix it, i think i would have found at least one solution to try out.

this topic is kinda turning into a dead horse though. i dont really feel the need to keep discussing because its not longer affecting my situation.

[paulbagz]

Just randomly, can HDMI carry a better audio signal compared to Optical?

-PB

[STEvil]

digital is digital.. most of the time.

[The Coolest]

The latest HDMI spec can carry better audio, AFAIK.
It can bitstream the new loss-less HD formats.

[CJ145]

Just randomly, can HDMI carry a better audio signal compared to Optical?

-PB

Toslink (optical) is SPDIF. SPDIF is limited to around 1500kbit/s bandwidth (the equivalent of 2 PCM Channels). This means that doing multichannel over SPDIF is always bitpacking with a lossy codec. To get true lossless multichannel you need HDMI out or good quality analog. For MC HDMI > Analog > SPDIF. For Stereo HDMI = SPDIF > Analog.

[koc]

ASUS GeForce GTX690 $1199 in amazon

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...ls_o00_s00_i00

I just bought one for me, this is the best price i found

[Natalia]

I think Natalia mean " 780 " .. not 685 .. Well the second generation .. or the BigK ...


Tesla GK110 is not waited before Q4 2012 and Q1 2013, this will be the first card to use GK110 it seems, so we shouldnt expect anything before, if the next "gaming" card is too GK110 based .

But Nvidia have allready surprise use by just release something at a moment we was waiting it a bit later.

Ah, yes, that is what I meant.

Sounds like that might be too far away for my tastes. Wanted to get 2 of those GK110's, but now I will debate between two 680's or three 670's. I have a feeling that two 690's wouldn't be worth it, even at 2560x1600. I think my current quad-fire setup has caused more headache than it was worth, not to mention games like Skyrim had a 2 GPU limit anyways. lol

[Roadhog]

I stand by everything I've said in this thread and would like to see anyone prove otherwise. I'll also put up a bottle of Patron to the first person who wants to take the bet that AMD can't launch a 7990 with two full 7970 core at 1000MHz.

And if they can't, they're competing on price alone, as I've said all along.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...2012&p=5104774

lol