NVIDIA GeForce GTX 690 Reviews

[iboomalot]

I would consider having a handfull come in over the course of 7+ weeks on a site as large a buyer as newegg to be very sad.

I would consider the 680 to basically be a semi-paper launch with as little availibility at the large online sites and none in any stores.

[highoctane]

They are selling everything they can produce, the issue is very high demand.

Nvidia controls the lions share of the "desktop discrete" market, where AMD could get by with say pumping out 10 cards for their slice of the marketshare Nvidia pumps 20 into the same market.

It was this way for desktop discrete marketshare even before gtx680.

[tifosi]

They are selling everything they can produce, the issue is very high demand.

Nvidia controls the lions share of the "desktop discrete" market, where AMD could get by with say pumping out 10 cards for their slice of the marketshare Nvidia pumps 20 into the same market.

It was this way for desktop discrete marketshare even before gtx680.

1) nvidia is selling all thanks to demand and supply where supply is the issue.

2) lion's share? would you kindly share source to support your theory?

One major reason why nvidia is not the first preference (of me and my friends who also have a lot of media. I have over 8 tb's) is the audio over hdmi issue. This is if we ignore issues we faced...

@skymtl
Well... I have no association with any companies in semi industry. I was purely speaking from my experience. About rollo (nothing against you mate...) he wasn't very open about his association with nvidia, till he was found out. I have seen many people make wild accusations (you could also say "speak out of their arse") that AMD also has people on the take who do their bidding, but no proof what so ever. I'm not saying AMD's a saint, they are but a corporation, and I didn't like their pricing of 7970 at launch. I understand why they did what they did, but didn't buy one... Some of us are rather neutral and make decisions based on our experience.

[highoctane]

1) nvidia is selling all thanks to demand and supply where supply is the issue.

2) lion's share? would you kindly share source to support your theory?

No need to be offended it's not a theory, do your research, quarterly market share reports, it's been posted on this forum long ago. It has been this way forever with Nvidia controlling the desktop discrete share and AMD controlling the mobile.

As always jpr is the source of the figures.

http://www.techspot.com/news/47593-j...ket-share.html

[Zloyd]

This thing is getting listed at 1200$ in the US. I shudder at the thought of prices elsewhere in the world.

[paulbagz]

This thing is getting listed at 1200$ in the US. I shudder at the thought of prices elsewhere in the world.

$1600 here in Aus.

With parity with the US dollar I might add.

-PB

[cx-ray]

This thing is getting listed at 1200$ in the US. I shudder at the thought of prices elsewhere in the world.

€999 Euros in Germany (includes the 19% sales tax).

[iboomalot]

€999 Euros in Germany (includes the 19% sales tax).

Thats approx $1300 USD

Popular or not the 680 isn't being produced fast enough also the market for $500 cards isn't that large and to be sold out across the board for nearly 2 months since its launch is really bad.

The slower clocked 7970 is faster than the 680 in many games and uses slightly more juice so the 680 is a better buy depending on the game, if you could buy it. AMD should drop prices to $400-$429 and this "demand" would dry up.

NV needs to step up and produce 10,000 cards not 10 cards end of story

[DilTech]

Thats approx $1300 USD

Popular or not the 680 isn't being produced fast enough also the market for $500 cards isn't that large and to be sold out across the board for nearly 2 months since its launch is really bad.

The slower clocked 7970 is faster than the 680 in many games and uses slightly more juice so the 680 is a better buy depending on the game, if you could buy it. AMD should drop prices to $400-$429 and this "demand" would dry up.

NV needs to step up and produce 10,000 cards not 10 cards end of story

...

http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Ha...TX_670/16.html

Another aspect AMD touched on was the availability of their Southern Islands cards, which is sort of a red herring. It is true AMD's 7000 series graphics cards are more readily available in the market, but the fact of the matter is this has nothing to do with production. Instead the issue is Kepler based graphics cards are in high demand. We have talked to a few retailers and the word from them is Kepler is selling at nearly a 4 to 1 ratio over Southern Islands. This leaves plenty of volume available for AMD, but makes it appear as if Nvidia is lacking the same volume,when this is not necessarily the case.

NVidia are shipping just as much as AMD, AMD are just only selling 1 card to every FOUR NVidia do right now. That's going to get even worse now with NVidia's 670 matching the 7970 at a cheaper price point, AMD will HAVE to drop that price to $399 now, which will force all of their cards to drop in price.

[iboomalot]

people are delusional

1 to 4 kinda hard to do that when you only supply 1 vs 10

Newegg has been sold out for 7 weeks thats not due to demand for a $500 card its lack of production.

680 is a great card but costs more than a system for most buyers demand for a card over $300 is low and thus popular or not the 680 should not be sold out for more than a week at best much less 7 of them.

Newegg was out of stock on the 3770K for 3days and its alot more popular than a 680

[highoctane]

Interesting,

TSMC Reportedly Gives 28nm Supply Priorities to Nvidia, Qualcomm.

Rumour has it that Nvidia has also started negotiations with Globalfoundries and Samsung Semiconductor to manufacture its chips at their capacities.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/d..._Qualcomm.html

[SKYMTL]

people are delusional

1 to 4 kinda hard to do that when you only supply 1 vs 10

Nope. It just shows how poorly AMD cards have been selling.

Something I've been saying for a few weeks now.

[DilTech]

people are delusional

1 to 4 kinda hard to do that when you only supply 1 vs 10

Newegg has been sold out for 7 weeks thats not due to demand for a $500 card its lack of production.

680 is a great card but costs more than a system for most buyers demand for a card over $300 is low and thus popular or not the 680 should not be sold out for more than a week at best much less 7 of them.

Newegg was out of stock on the 3770K for 3days and its alot more popular than a 680

They seriously are selling as fast as they hit shelves. Set up auto-notify and you'll have an email within days. They then sell out SAME DAY. Why? Everyone wants them. I've seen tons of GTX 480's up for grabs here in STL on craigslist because people are selling them since they got their 680's. The guy I got my 3d vision monitor from yesterday was trying to sell me his 480 for the same reason, he just got his that day.

Nope. It just shows how poorly AMD cards have been selling.

Something I've been saying for a few weeks now.

Sadly, people have been brushing it off and even calling you biased. It's a shame that calling it like it is brings scrutiny.

[Rollo]

I can't speak for 680s beyond what I've read on forums from people who did/do the auto notify and refresh tricks, but I can say I did auto notify for GTX690s and was emailed about stock three times in 3 or 4 days.

The quickest I tried to buy one was within 37 minutes which was obviously way too slow. Gave up and decided to keep my 680 SLi.

The STEAM survey shows a pretty quick adoption of a lot of 680s, and if you read the forums there seem to be a lot of people with them.

Still three brands of 670s in stock at newegg this morning, and I've seen some of the OOS models sell out and then come back in stock over the last few days. My guess is upcoming JPR and STEAM is going to show these cards as popular as Skymtl and Neoseeker have been saying they are. (couldn't resist and ordered a 670 myself for my secondary pc, they're just a pretty good deal anyway you cut it)

[One_Hertz]

Just going back to the microstuttering discussion - I picked up 680 SLI and I must confirm that this setup can not be tested for microstuttering using FRAPS. The numbers shown by FRAPS in terms of frame times are simply wrong (for example it shows 4000 fps in a demanding game for several seconds in a row). The same numbers always looked very correct on my crossfire setups.

[gumballguy]

Just going back to the microstuttering discussion - I picked up 680 SLI and I must confirm that this setup can not be tested for microstuttering using FRAPS. The numbers shown by FRAPS in terms of frame times are simply wrong (for example it shows 4000 fps in a demanding game for several seconds in a row). The same numbers always looked very correct on my crossfire setups.

Thanks for coming back with the feedback.

[boxleitnerb]

Just going back to the microstuttering discussion - I picked up 680 SLI and I must confirm that this setup can not be tested for microstuttering using FRAPS. The numbers shown by FRAPS in terms of frame times are simply wrong (for example it shows 4000 fps in a demanding game for several seconds in a row). The same numbers always looked very correct on my crossfire setups.

How does it feel at lower fps, like 30-50?

[One_Hertz]

How does it feel at lower fps, like 30-50?

Depends on the game. Crap in Metro, OK in skyrim. I wish there was a way to check out the frame timing without an expensive 1000 fps camera.

[Piledriver]

Nice, i guess buying reviews wasn't enough, now Nvidia have to send their minions to every tech site, spread fud.

Things i've learned in this thread:

When AMD releases a GPU there's absolutely no demand, the lack of availability is all on AMD, there's no excuses.
When Nvidia releases a GPU there's a huge demand, the lack of availability is all on the consumers.

Since GTX 690 was released, micro stuttering and single GPU are irrelevant. Seriously who saw that coming.

Now let's talk reality:

. Every independent source for the, at least 3 years, have been reporting that AMD yields are always a lot better than Nvidia's.
. Sales 1Q 2012:

Despite the strength in the discrete GPU market, limited availability of Nvidia’s Kepler GPU resulted in 90 bps of share loss in the discrete GPU market, with Intel and AMD taking modest share from Nvidia.

INTC gained 25bps of share in total GPU, AMD added 17bps, while NVDA lost 61bps.

. Even if we believed the Nvidia minions propaganda, there were reviews that said that GTX 680 was best in everything, even in availability... Yes lets digest this for a moment, there were tech reviews of a piece of hardware, where one of the selling points was that it had better availability... so please. no excuses.

[iboomalot]

I put in a auto notfiy on the 680 and 690 and even the watercooled 680 and not one auto notify in a week from newegg.

[Final8ty]

Nice, i guess buying reviews wasn't enough, now Nvidia have to send their minions to every tech site, spread fud.

Things i've learned in this thread:

When AMD releases a GPU there's absolutely no demand, the lack of availability is all on AMD, there's no excuses.
When Nvidia releases a GPU there's a huge demand, the lack of availability is all on the consumers.

Since GTX 690 was released, micro stuttering and single GPU are irrelevant. Seriously who saw that coming.

Now let's talk reality:

. Every independent source for the, at least 3 years, have been reporting that AMD yields are always a lot better than Nvidia's.
. Sales 1Q 2012:


. Even if we believed the Nvidia minions propaganda, there were reviews that said that GTX 680 was best in everything, even in availability... Yes lets digest this for a moment, there were tech reviews of a piece of hardware, where one of the selling points was that it had better availability... so please. no excuses.

http://www.electroiq.com/articles/ss...res-in-q1.html

[highoctane]

Now let's talk reality:

. Every independent source for the, at least 3 years, have been reporting that AMD yields are always a lot better than Nvidia's.
. Sales 1Q 2012:

Despite the strength in the discrete GPU market, limited availability of Nvidia’s Kepler GPU resulted in 90 bps of share loss in the discrete GPU market, with Intel and AMD taking modest share from Nvidia.

INTC gained 25bps of share in total GPU, AMD added 17bps, while NVDA lost 61bps.

AMD needs to pull around 2000 bps more just for the marketshare split in desktop discrete to be 50/50.

AMD also lost 30 bps in mobile discrete to Nvidia, watch out!!

Anybody on this forum knows that Nvidia 28nm/680 wasn't even launched until the last week of q1, Nvidia battled it out with old legacy tech 40nm fermi parts for the quarter. It won't be until q2 that we even have any idea of how things will shake out for kepler in the 28nm war.

Whats really surprising is that AMD couldn't gain much more share considering how late Nvidia was again, a big swing of ~1% for the quarter, just wow.

[Final8ty]

AMD needs to pull around 2000 bps more just for the marketshare split in desktop discrete to be 50/50.

AMD also lost 30 bps in mobile discrete to Nvidia, watch out!!

Anybody on this forum knows that Nvidia 28nm/680 wasn't even launched until the last week of q1, Nvidia battled it out with old legacy tech 40nm fermi parts for the quarter. It won't be until q2 that we even have any idea of how things will shake out for kepler in the 28nm war.

Whats really surprising is that AMD couldn't gain much more share considering how late Nvidia was again, a big swing of ~1% for the quarter, just wow.

While you make valid points the point was that many were saying that NV had plenty of supply at launch and in some cases saying just as much as AMD when in fact that is not the case.

[Lanek]

When i see this type of fight, i Know both brand are so close ... enjoy ..

[Final8ty]

When i see this type of fight, i Know both brand are so close ... enjoy ..

Yep i has seen it before, its just the some NV users don't like it when its close and will exaggerate to put NV in the total dominating category because they don't feel comfortable otherwise.