NVIDIA GeForce GTX 690 Reviews

[h0bbes]

The GTX 690 is a great card and a good achievement from nvidia. However, there is no point in assuming things about AMD's product until it is released (which makes me wonder why it hasn't been released yet).

[Manicdan]

It is possible, but it will be a lot harder to do with 7970 GPUs than it was with GTX 680 GPUs, as the latter are cooler and consume less power.

I dont think a 2x8 pin board would be enough for a 7990, it would need 2x8 pin and 1x6 pin to sufficiently power it with enough headroom to bring the clockspeeds up to competitive levels with the GTX 690.

you ignored the rest of my post where i point out exactly that the 7970 is not drawing any more power than the 680

[SKYMTL]

looking at the TPU power consumption charts. the 7970 is the same as 680. and the 690 was using MORE than even the 590. i think its clearly possible for amd to fit 2 full sized chips into a 7990

Huh?

I see from the in game test on TPU:

GTX 690 = 274W
GTX 590 = 350W

[Manicdan]

Huh?

I see from the in game test on TPU:

GTX 690 = 274W
GTX 590 = 350W

my apologies, i got it mixed up with the 680sli

680 vs 7970 game tests are still dead even though.

[Chickenfeed]

The bulk of reviews show the 7970 using roughly 30watts more than the 680 in gaming loads. The difference for multi gpu is even higher in many cases. AMD surely can manage 2 7970 dies on one board but theres no way they will run at reference 7970 clocks at stock. They will have to reduce them a good 20-25% to have remotely realistic product. Perhaps they will do something insane such as 3 pcie connectors for those who wish to run the thing at 450watts @ 900Mhz+, who knows...

EDIT:

For the sake of citation... Power results

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...review-26.html
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5805/n...-ultra-fast/16
http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-690-review/8
http://hothardware.com/Reviews/NVIDI...eview/?page=13
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphic...-Consumption-T

[Mungri]

you ignored the rest of my post where i point out exactly that the 7970 is not drawing any more power than the 680

At stock speeds?

Stock speed 7970s dont compare at all to stock speed GTX 680 / 690.

7970s need to be heavily overclocked before they can compete with GK104 performance, and when that is done they run very hot and consume much more power.

680 vs 7970 game tests are still dead even though.

No.

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Well done Nvidia

7970 and GTX 680 are only dead even when clocked to the same clock speeds. The reference clock performance of the 7970 is no where near equal to the GTX 680. When clocked to the same speed as a GTX 680, 7970 is excessively power hungry in comparison.

[Manicdan]

you must be looking at lower resolutions
once your past a single monitor the 7970 at stock catches right up. and thats exactly what these new gpus are designed for.

No.

everything in that post was about power consumption. so yes

[jam2k]

it beats the CF'ed 7970s in every test. Thats not good for AMD...

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[Rollo]

The main problem for the 7990 is even if they make it another fire breathing howler like the 6990 and achieve a "trades benchmarks" sort of performance parity with the 690, who is going to buy it?

The 690 is worthy of the title "the greatest graphics card ever built": the aesthetics, the performance, the feature set, the power/heat/noise metrics all exceed what anyone expected, or has seen. This dual GPU card puts the rest, NVIDIA's included, to shame.

ATi/AMD has never built a card like this, and unless their spies filled them in on what NVIDIA was up to long ago, my guess is the 7990 will be nowhere close to what the 690 turned out to be. If AMD launches a footlong plastic brick with a regular PCB, high rpm fan, that exceeds 300W, it better be $800 or less or I don't think people will buy it.

NVIDIA appears to have changed the dual GPU card market on several fronts with this card.

[Stevethegreat]

The main problem for the 7990 is even if they make it another fire breathing howler like the 6990 and achieve a "trades benchmarks" sort of performance parity with the 690, who is going to buy it?

The 690 is worthy of the title "the greatest graphics card ever built": the aesthetics, the performance, the feature set, the power/heat/noise metrics all exceed what anyone expected, or has seen. This dual GPU card puts the rest, NVIDIA's included, to shame.

ATi/AMD has never built a card like this, and unless their spies filled them in on what NVIDIA was up to long ago, my guess is the 7990 will be nowhere close to what the 690 turned out to be. If AMD launches a footlong plastic brick with a regular PCB, high rpm fan, that exceeds 300W, it better be $800 or less or I don't think people will buy it.

NVIDIA appears to have changed the dual GPU card market on several fronts with this card.

If AMD releases a 375W card it will probably be within 10% from GTX 690, maybe even closer. We have to remember that this generation did not have a true highend chip (GK104 is mid to high end), so the dual cards are the true high end (of this generation) and I doubt AMD will merely let this go. Her 7970CF figures stay within range (often supersede) with GTX 690 so be sure they'll do their best to put two of those card in an 375W envelope. Sure it won't overclocked but according to reviews so does (don't) the GTX 690 (10% overclock in most cases that I have seen).

GTX 690 is an actually impressive piece of machinery, but it will lose this round due to its insanely high price (AMD will probably aim for the $600 - $700 mark like she did with the HD6990)...

[Rollo]

If AMD releases a 375W card it will probably be within 10% from GTX 690, maybe even closer. We have to remember that this generation did not have a true highend chip (GK104 is mid to high end), so the dual cards are the true high end (of this generation) and I doubt AMD will merely let this go. Her 7970CF figures stay within range (often supersede) with GTX 690 so be sure they'll do their best to put two of those card in an 375W envelope. Sure it won't overclocked but according to reviews so does (don't) the GTX 690 (10% overclock in most cases that I have seen).

GTX 690 is an actually impressive piece of machinery, but it will lose this round due to its insanely high price (AMD will probably aim for the $600 - $700 mark like she did with the HD6990)...

$600-$700 would cannibalize sales of 7970CF, but would compete.

[Andrew LB]

7970CF figures stay within range (often supersede) with GTX 690 so be sure they'll do their best to put two of those card in an 375W envelope.

Umm... I have yet to see a GTX 690 review where the conclusion even slightly resembled that claim.

The vast majority of reviews that I have looked over seem to be quite similar to HardwareCanucks where GTX 690 performs on average about 20% faster than 7970CF.

[Stevethegreat]

I was referring to Jam2k's post... The 7970s seem to fare well on ultra high def (25x16 or multi-monitor). Generally -though- yeah the GTX 690 is faster which is why AMD would have to price her offering accordingly (and since GTX 690's price is through the roof she has a lot of wiggle room)...

[SKYMTL]

Umm... I have yet to see a GTX 690 review where the conclusion even slightly resembled that claim.

The vast majority of reviews that I have looked over seem to be quite similar to HardwareCanucks where GTX 690 performs on average about 20% faster than 7970CF.

I just want to point out that the numbers you see there would have looked slightly different had the GTX 690 provided pre-patch performance in Shogun 2 and had the HD 7970 CF not abysmally failed in Witcher 2.

[Tha Last Meal]

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When looking over the charts, it is hard not to mention the HD 7970 Crossfire solution. It scaled remarkably well in most situations and does have several merits, mostly due to a lower overall price, but latent driver problems prevent it from becoming a viable alternative. While the GTX 690 had a small misstep in Shogun 2 (as have all NVIDIA cards since the latest patch), the dual AMD cards presented scaling issues in Skyrim, black screens in The Witcher 2: Enhanced Edition, poor minimum framerates and an odd periphery flickering in Metro 2033. While the two HD 7970’s performance may look good on paper, we just can’t recommend investing $920 in them until AMD’s driver team makes some serious upgrades. With that being said, the HD 7970’s wider memory interface does tend to make a difference in some scenarios, particularly when gaming at multi monitor resolutions.

yo man Do not be sad do not cry



because this is the reality that says
GTX 690 beat HD 7970 CF

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[Jokester_wild]

This looks to be a great card, its too bad I cant find one anywhere.

[Mungri]

you must be looking at lower resolutions
once your past a single monitor the 7970 at stock catches right up. and thats exactly what these new gpus are designed for.

It 'catches up' and the performance gap between the 7970 and GTX 680 narrows down, but in the majority of reviews the GTX 680 still maintains the lead at higher resoultions with less heat, noise, and according to most reviews power usage too.

The main problem for the 7990 is even if they make it another fire breathing howler like the 6990 and achieve a "trades benchmarks" sort of performance parity with the 690, who is going to buy it?
The 690 is worthy of the title "the greatest graphics card ever built": the aesthetics, the performance, the feature set, the power/heat/noise metrics all exceed what anyone expected, or has seen. This dual GPU card puts the rest, NVIDIA's included, to shame. .

Exactly.

[iboomalot]

good luck buying this card its been 6 weeks and I haven't seen newegg without a SOLD OUT sign on ALL the 680s

This is posted on thier site

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130781

SOLD OUT and $1200

When the 690 is even avail to buy the HD-8970 will be out LOL

I play some BF3, Crysis MWLL and Tribes Ascend





Depending on the coding one game will favor AMD vs NV and visa versa

[SKYMTL]

Depending on the coding one game will favor AMD vs NV and visa versa

Actually, from my testing, AMD excels at built-in benchmarks (what Anandtech uses for Metro 2033 and Crysis) while in-game, the situations is sometimes quite different.

[cegras]

Actually, from my testing, AMD excels at built-in benchmarks (what Anandtech uses for Metro 2033 and Crysis) while in-game, the situations is sometimes quite different.

I hate to sound like I'm ragging on you, but your claim is in direct contradiction to techreport.

http://techreport.com/articles.x/22653/11

[SKYMTL]

I hate to sound like I'm ragging on you, but your claim is in direct contradiction to techreport.

http://techreport.com/articles.x/22653/11

I'll put this as diplomatically as possible: So what?

[cegras]

So don't spread around your data as if it is the only truth in benchmarking. Have a little humility.

I can flip this statement around:

Actually, from my testing, AMD excels at built-in benchmarks (what Anandtech uses for Metro 2033 and Crysis) while in-game, the situations is sometimes quite different.

Using data from anandtech, techreport, and techpowerup. Reproduced, 'peer reviewed' results.

[tajoh111]

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It like hardware.fr took every gaming evolved title and every recent game the gtx 680 is bad at and put it all into one review. lol.

[LeoAndrade]

I can`t figure out why people try to see it the wrong way. It`s pretty obvious that the GTX690 is better than crossfired 7970. Look, I`m not saying that the price/performance is good, just the performance itself. Now it`s time to amd work on their monster to compete with this one.

@jam2k: seems like hardware.fr is manipulating results.

[iboomalot]

I can`t figure out why people try to see it the wrong way. It`s pretty obvious that the GTX690 is better than crossfired 7970. Look, I`m not saying that the price/performance is good, just the performance itself. Now it`s time to amd work on their monster to compete with this one.

Its pretty obvious that the two formats are equal since 50% of the games run better on the 7970CF and 50% on the 690

I would like to see what two OCed 7970s at 1200 mhz can do. Also certain games are written only for NV or even designed to hamper the AMD product.

Its very obvious when a single 7970 had the same frame rate as two.