DigiTimes: Intel to launch Haswell on March 2013

[Philip_J_Fry]

saw it on TPU:
http://www.techpowerup.com/162429/In...13-Report.html
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20120314PD216.html?mod=2

After the appearance of Ivy Bridge, Intel plans to launch its initial batch of Haswell-based processors in March 2013 and Lynx Point chipset. Paired with Windows 8, which should already be stable in terms of operating performance after being released for about two quarters. The platform's enhanced performance and dropping costs are expected to help maintain desktop product shipments.

[antiacid]

in before "WHAT? ANOTHER SOCKET!?! THIS IS MADNESS" posts.

[god_43]

in before "what? Another socket!?! This is madness" posts.

NO!!! This...IS...INTELLLL!!!!!!!!

[RaynQuist]

I don't think March 2013 is likely. Tick-tock has been closer to a 14-month cycle than yearly:

07/2006 - Conroe
10/2007 - Penryn (15 months later)
11/2008 - Nehalem (13 months)
01/2010 - Clarkdale (14 months)
01/2011 - Sandy Bridge (12 months)
03/2012 ? Ivy Bridge (14 months)

While the ticks had taken 14~15 months to come out, the tocks had taken 12~13 months. With Haskell being a tock one might expect April 2013 to be a likely launch date, but I think May 2013 is a better guess. Both previous tocks had market pressure to push up their launch dates. Nehalem added an IMC to capture the Server/HPC market where the Opteron was still competitive. Sandy Bridge's IGP was a vast improvement over the inadequate GMA that Apple found unacceptable. But what's Haskell's killer feature? Sure, it may further improve the IGP, but I think with Ivy Bridge the IGP is already good enough. Lacking market pressure, I believe Haskell will launch closer to May 2013 than April.

In any case March 2013 is very unlikely.

[Sparky]

NO!!! This...IS...INTELLLL!!!!!!!!

lol

[Sentential]

Death to Ivy Bridge; all hail our new overlord Haswell

[ice_chill]

Ivybridge is still king for another year.

[PatRaceTin]

I may skip IVY and wait for socket 1150

[qcmadness]

I don't think Haswell will launch in Q1 2013 as OEMs cannot clear inventory.

[paulbagz]

Yargh!

So I shouldn't get IB-E towards the end of the year then!?!

-PB

[sholvaco]

Yargh!

So I shouldn't get IB-E towards the end of the year then!?!

-PB

It's questionable that you could, even if you wanted to: Intel to Omit Release of Enthusiast-Class "Ivy Bridge" Processors This Year.

With the fast release schedule of Intel I see no point updating more often than the very most every tick->tick or me rather the tock->tock like I plan doing (unless AMD would release something impressive ofc). I prefer picking up the die shrink of the same architecture rather than being the guinea pig with the new architecture, of course both has its advantages/disadvantages though. ^^

New architecture brings a bigger performance increase than a new process and drops less in value by the time you're ready to get rid of it when the next new uarch (tock) comes around. The only thing I'd wait for is a stepping revision beyond launch, one that works out any possible kinks and improves electrical performance.

[paulbagz]

It's questionable that you could, even if you wanted to: Intel to Omit Release of Enthusiast-Class "Ivy Bridge" Processors This Year.



New architecture brings a bigger performance increase than a new process and drops less in value by the time you're ready to get rid of it when the next new uarch (tock) comes around. The only thing I'd wait for is a stepping revision beyond launch, one that works out any possible kinks and improves electrical performance.

Ahh thank you!

Damn, so they would delay it till post Haswell (or not even bother with it at all).

Makes sense as the advances from one to the next may not be as bigger gap as once thought.

Z77 here I come I spose.

-PB

[lutjens]

It's been said before, but if this is the case, why bother with Ivy Bridge-E at all, which I read was going to be launched in 2H 2013?? It'll be nearly obsolete the instant it's launched.

Way to go Intel...way to screw the folks who pay for your top chips by demanding a high premium for obsolete hardware.

Fortunately, technology is improving to the point where the consumer-grade processors are making Intel's high end stuff more and more irrelevant for more and more people. PCI-E 3.0 makes the fewer lanes available on Ivy less of an issue and having new features like chipset supported USB 3.0 will sweeten the deal. Intel is slowly but surely poisoning their own prized cash cow, IMHO. This, combined with Intel's lagging position in the mobile market (in relation to other companies like ARM), is setting the stage for a significant comeuppance.

And Intel needs said comeuppance...badly.

[Iconyu]

It's been said before, but if this is the case, why bother with Ivy Bridge-E at all, which I read was going to be launched in 2H 2013?? It'll be nearly obsolete the instant it's launched.

Way to go Intel...way to screw the folks who pay for your top chips by demanding a high premium for obsolete hardware.

Fortunately, technology is improving to the point where the consumer-grade processors are making Intel's high end stuff more and more irrelevant for more and more people. PCI-E 3.0 makes the fewer lanes available on Ivy less of an issue and having new features like chipset supported USB 3.0 will sweeten the deal. Intel is slowly but surely poisoning their own prized cash cow, IMHO. This, combined with Intel's lagging position in the mobile market (in relation to other companies like ARM), is setting the stage for a significant comeuppance.

And Intel needs said comeuppance...badly.

Intel probably won't bother making a big deal about Ivy Bridge E, if they release it it'll just be to make cheaper eight core CPU's. If you think it's obsolete just don't buy it, people spending that kind of money should make educated choices. As for making the mainstream systems attractive I don't see an issue with this, you don't need to gimp mainstream to provoke high end sales, Intel chips are selling well on both fronts. On the subject of socket changes, Intel have been bring a lot more subsystem changes per generation so when you upgrade it's not just a faster chip.

As for the mobile market, when it comes to a fight against ARM, for a company that makes desktop chips Intel aren't doing too badly. ARM has a lot of advantages as far as manufacturers are concerned as they can just buy the design and build whatever they want around it. Intel aren't really going to follow this lead so it will always be an uphill struggle, to insure a sale, Intel has to make a chip and subsystem that can't be beaten on performance by almost everyone that has made an ARM based SOC. So I think it's brave for them to step into the market, but unless they can create a huge advantage it won't be theirs soon.

[ice_chill]

So the best new feature is a built in hardware task scheduler that detects the load and assigns it to the right core ?

[RPGWiZaRD]

With the fast release schedule of Intel I see no point updating more often than the very most every tick->tick or me rather the tock->tock like I plan doing (unless AMD would release something impressive ofc). I prefer picking up the die shrink of the same architecture rather than being the guinea pig with the new architecture, of course both has its advantages/disadvantages though. ^^

[iboomalot]

when is IVY launching ?? My 920 needs replacing

[qcmadness]

when is IVY launching ?? My 920 needs replacing

Quad: april
dual: may / june

[Olivon]

For those who missed this one :





http://translate.google.fr/translate...51483-1-1.html

[rk7p5]

I think Intel wants to get Haswell out asap. I think Haswells igpu is gonna be as fast or faster then Amd's best, though it will be good competition and drive prices down a bit.

[informal]

I think Intel wants to get Haswell out asap. I think Haswells igpu is gonna be as fast or faster then Amd's best, though it will be good competition and drive prices down a bit.

If it's as fast or faster than AMD's Trinity iGPU then I would be impressed. But by that time, Kaveri will be out which will have 512SP (GCN),new memory controller and a slew of other improvements(3rd gen x86 SR core).

[kaktus1907]

hmm i cant find Thanks button sorry Olivon :/
:p

6 SATAIII ports is god send, finally there will be a good reason to abandon LGA775

[qcmadness]

IvyBridge was supposed to match Llano in IGP performance, and we know the results.

[informal]

IvyBridge was supposed to match Llano in IGP performance, and we know the results.

Well it did actually match it or come close in at least a few games. In other situations it just failed(even tho it still was a massive improvement over hd3000).
The point is Kaveri will raise the GPU perf. bar again,more than Trinity did over Llano(28nm vs 32nm + new GPU architecture while Trinity had no luxury of a die shrink).
On the CPU side it's AMD that has some big catching up to do and let's hope Kaveri brings some decent IPC and clock speed improvements (they need 20-25% above trinity level to be regarded as at least competitive in x86 4 thread segment).

[Levish]

IvyBridge was supposed to match Llano in IGP performance, and we know the results.

comparatively Ivy IGP performance is not shabby at all for low - medium quality gaming at 720p
looking forward to improvements though, would be nice to have a better "spare" vga for when I happen to be in between cards.

was using the hd4000 in place of a olde 8800gt and the performance difference is not as tremendous as I thought it would be, I literally thought it would be no contest but HD4000 is fairly comparable.

still I've always wondered why IGP was so neglected and allowed to fall so very far behind discrete VGA, I'm glad things are turning around a little.