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    DT 5Noz waterblock

    Hello, let me present my new waterblock. I call it the 5Noz, as there is an unique nozzle inside the block with 5 openings.

    Martin was good enough to take these excellent pictures for me, thank you Martin!

    I machine this block myself on my CNC.

    I use copolymer acetal for the top and the spider. With each, I flycut the top with a slow speed and fast feed which gives it checkering like a gun grip. Because it's a circular cutter, the pattern changes over the top and spider, very coarse near the center and fine near the edges. G 1/4 ports, of course, spaced very widely apart, so I don't think there will be any fitting issues. There is a spotface at each fitting for proper O-ring sealing (can't seal on the textured surface). Internally, the top has a couple of horseshoe shaped features that poke-yoke the nozzle so you can only install it in the correct orientation. The O-ring is kept round, which means super short cycle time for me to machine, but it's also not fiddly to deal with, easy to reinstall if you need to.

    The top and spider are also available in white acetal, I have parts finished but no good pictures yet.

    The spider is removable and is available in Intel pattern, AMD pattern shortly, and this could be replaced for future socket designs. The spider has a pocket that the springs go down into. This hides the springs a little bit, but also the thickness of the material underneath the springs will allow a metal spider to be used instead of acetal.

    The base is 110 alloy copper, 44 microchannels are machined in two steps 0.020 inches and then 0.012 inches. The base contact surface is machined flat and smooth, and is not polished. M4 female threads are in the base, which means that during disassembly for cleaning you only deal with metal threads, so less likely to strip something. The M4 stainless steel cap screws use the full head, so the hex wrench is a nice big 3mm size, less likely to be rounded out.

    The nozzle is machined from 360 alloy brass and allows a unique flow path through this block. The nozzle is one of the best looking parts of this block, I wish I could share it, but it's good and it'll likely be...adopted...:rolleyes: The nozzle allows a flow path that contacts more fin leading edges, parallel flow paths, and provides a lower pressure drop. The base is bowed by the nozzle. One side of the nozzle is flat, and the base contact face of the nozzle is machined into a convex surface. Close tolerances must be held on the base, top and nozzle to get the bow to the 0.005 inches it's designed for. To do this, I have to match the parts as they are built, as there are a few thou' that parts when combined can drift. This means that it will be possible to custom assemble to any amount of bow. I think 0.005 bow is about right, but but I also think bigger IHS processors might do better with less bow, and smaller might do better with more :shrug: In any case, any amount of bow within reason can be specified.

    The backplate is machined from 6061-T6 aluminum, and has machined chamfers to accept the heads of flathead M4 screws. This keeps the backplate and screws from slipping around when installing it to the mobo. There is a chamfer for LGA775, one for 115x, and one for 1366/2011. LGA2011 hardware is included, all hardware is stainless steel except for the springs which are zinc coated steel.

    I've tested the 5Noz and the Koolance CPU-370 in my test loop.

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    Single 120mm radiator
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    Q6600 die simulator (copper block machined to Q6600 die sizes, Q6600 IHS soldered to these die)
    200W applied to cartridge heaters in the die simulator

    5Noz => 31.9C temperature delta between die simulator thermocouple and air entering the radiator
    CPU-370 => 33.4C delta

    5Noz => 2.55 GPM
    CPU-370 => 1.27 GPM

    Samples are with a few excellent, non-biased reviewers. Hopefully you can get some independent reviews of this block shortly.

    Price will be $87.95 USD.
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    You see what you did there? You got between me and the coffee, now this creates a SITUATION!

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    It is a good looking block.

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    Nice - let's hope it performs as well in Martin's tests as yours. You should look into a nut that looks a little prettier for the mount though

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    I like it

    I'm waiting for more review.

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    Damn those are nice pictures...

    Still have to get my CPU block testing rig put back together before I can do thermals, but I could probably do a quick pressure drop test and preview.

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    The hold down plate is already bending. I suggest a non-pom material.


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    Performance? check
    Low pressure drop? check.
    But please, do something with looks of those mounting screws before retail :/. Some thumbscrews maybe? These days it looks that LC is at very least half about bling as well. so while rest of the block looks ok, those screws might rob you big share of customers imho.

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    Very nice looking block. Cant wait for some real performance testing.
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    I think it looks bad a**, but I am not diggin the mounting, but that's just me. I also hope it comes with a pad for the backplate, otherwise you might risk shorting something out.
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    Oh my, pressure drop is looking REALLY REALLY good... you have mail..

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    Very nice Block! And good looking! But really, you need change mounting mechanism! For 90$ its ugly.
    And off course temp/gpm check will be good.
    In the moment very interesting block.

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    I want to see the nozzle!
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    Better looking nuts, I hear you.

    @UTnorris, you use acetal washers between the backplate and the mobo to stand it off over the soldered pins

    @badbaker, it'll be public soon enough. Someone will buy it and post a pic. I am just one guy, hard for me to compete with the big boys, so I need to keep this advantage for as long as I can. In the meantime, buy it and you can look at it all you want
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    Last edited by Martinm210; 02-28-2012 at 06:07 AM.

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    Martinm210 Thx!
    DetroitAC Nice work! Exlent results.
    Wait for temps!

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    Holy !!! Now if the temps are good this will a beast!
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    Holy bananas indeed! Very nice job, kickass in fact .

    Regardless of what the temps are thats the first home brew block Ive seen that beats production blocks at anything. Cant wait to see temps.

    Real shame theres not much chance of seeing the block in the UK though (import/shipping etc), but I really hope this leads you somewhere.

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    Always amazed me to see the ingenuity of the people on this forum and the quality of their work.
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    DetroitAC, well done on the PD. If you've put the same attention to detail on the performance of the block as you did for your D5 top, I have no doubt you've got a "100% kick ass" block.
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    Thumbs up Nice!

    I might have to get one, your practically a local homie I have the Swify block on the high end of the chart, rev 2 not much better. Its a great block for cpu/mobo, but that's as far as I'll go with 1 loop.

    If thermals are good, and they should be by the looks of it! A real winner on restriction!

    Nice machining, I agree about the mounting screws, but real nice ones bound to cost some. Hope you can keep up with demand

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    Martin sent me pictures of the white parts, they are really hard to take pictures of, heck they are really hard to see details in person.
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    Martin - will you be able to plot temperature vs flowrate for cpu blocks in future (I know you did one plot for the raystorm). It would be interesting to know if this beats the 370 due to it's higher flowrate or because of it's intrinsic design.

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    Very nice block you have here Detroit.
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    You really have my attention with this. > double the flow of the next best block is exactly what I am looking for. My wallet is twitching in my pocket

    Details of the springs please ...interested in the max hold down pressure this is capable of.


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