Kepler Nvidia GeForce GTX 780

[Cold Fussion]

Not one of you has given a good reason why. Why should the successor to a 300$ card be priced considerably higher? Why is +60% on a new node completely unrealistic? If you follow this logic, chips will become faster but more expensive. So in 5 years we have +200% performance and +200% price? That is completely unrealistic.
I don't get why you deny that perf/$ will increase considerably - as it did with every new generation eventually...in every market segment.

In the past it has been the highend which launches first and then the midrange follows.

[LordEC911]

The gtx 570 and 6970 has been around 330 dollars since the middle of the 2011, maybe even earlier. The gtx 560 448 at $289 hit around the gtx 570 performance as well, heck even the gigabyte gtx 560 SOC hit gtx 570 performance at around $269 and this was 10 months ago. Unless GK104 is well well under 300mm2 while using a new process, it should hit gtx 580 performance (which is at this point, looks like 10% with the 7950) level atleast if the memory controller is fixed.

Aim small, miss small.

Lot's of BS swirling around out there right now.
Depending on what is actually true, it sounds like Nvidia has taken a slightly different design approach this time.

R600 ... G200b

[tajoh111]

Are you implying gk106, has now become gk104? That would make some sense, with performance coming in between gtx 570 and gtx 580.

[Cordell Cahill]

Are you implying gk106, has now become gk104? That would make some sense, with performance coming in between gtx 570 and gtx 580.

That thought did cross my mind

[Handrox]

NVIDIA - "We expected more from Radeon HD 7900" [Exclusive]
http://www.nordichardware.com/news/7...exclusive.html

[Tenknics]

NVIDIA - "We expected more from Radeon HD 7900" [Exclusive]
http://www.nordichardware.com/news/7...exclusive.html

Awesome quotes with no information about who said it other than "a spokesperson"

sweet source

[kuhla]

source - http://semiaccurate.com/2012/01/19/n...-clear-winner/

For the doubters, both of the current cards we saw have two DVI plugs on the bottom, one HDMI, and one DP with a half slot cooling grate on one of the two slot end plates.

If this is true, and 3 ports can be used at the same time then they already sold one to me. I currently use 2 nvidia cards to drive 3 monitors (not in SLI) and would happily move down to just 1 card.

[n00b 0f l337]

Not only is creating an absolute out of a relative a no-no in statistics (they created a "Baseline" and called it "1") but all that can be assumed if its real is...

A) Our new product is better then our old product.

B) Our old product was crappy as compared to our new product.

C) We aren't very good at making graphs

D) If you liked our old products, specifically ones that still don't need to be upgraded from, you might like paying more for our new products. But we don't plan on comparing it to any competitor as that would ruin our sales pitch.

or, last but not least.

E) We like the color green.

[jam2k]

[chiphell] Keep it classy nvidia, viral marketing discovered at chiphell, Kepler rumors debunked

Several media are a variety of domestic Kepler low prices, HD7900 will follow the diving like the article, take a look at the foreign media, who did not even reported, along with some media editors forum explosive in the major so-called "material "It is clear that a variety of moves NV's marketing activities in the water behind the army to suppress the HD7900 as well as leading the sales momentum, CHH to see these posts I will lock posts, I hope the members can self-load.

rough chinese translation. ALL of the posts related to kepler being 299$ from chiphell, and speculated performance, were from marketing shills (proven by the owners of the forum) and have been banned.

Charlie from SA was bamboozled as well. Keep it classy Nvidia.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1205407/c...umors-debunked

[Tim]

lol, give me a break, viral marketing from nvidia. The translation is so ridiculously bad it could literally mean anything. The bit about the viral marketing is purely made up. Anything to give nVidia a bad name ey.

[tajoh111]

Surprised if true. Charlie of all people would be most skeptical.

[bill_d]

Surprised if true. Charlie of all people would be most skeptical.

i hate to see the nv articles on s/a if true

[jimbo75]

lol, give me a break, viral marketing from nvidia. The translation is so ridiculously bad it could literally mean anything. The bit about the viral marketing is purely made up. Anything to give nVidia a bad name ey.

Since when did anyone need to make stuff up in order to give Nvidia a bad name?

[[XC] hipno650]

What I see is people hyping their expectations up to a point where nothing short of mind blowing performance for less than $400 will satisfy them.

To me, that's completely unrealistic.

I just wanted to add that not only are you 100% right, but that this has happened since I can remember when any new GPU or CPU comes out... people hype it up and lower the price and are disappointed. the one launch that I can remember that was not seen as a let down was the G80 one (and a few before it's time as well). considering we have NO IDEA how fast it would be and there was close to no information on it until it came out and destroyed all of the DX9 cards. everything since then has been hyped beyond reason.

Not one of you has given a good reason why. Why should the successor to a 300$ card be priced considerably higher? Why is +60% on a new node completely unrealistic? If you follow this logic, chips will become faster but more expensive. So in 5 years we have +200% performance and +200% price? That is completely unrealistic.
I don't get why you deny that perf/$ will increase considerably - as it did with every new generation eventually...in every market segment.

I think you totally missed the point on this. not to mention totally missed the last 5 years of GPU pricing history. high end GPU's since the 8800GTX have always cost any-ware from $500-$700 and have out performed the last architecture by 50% or more... the price stays the same and the performance increases in the respective price bracket.

honestly i don't see why people think Nvidia are going to change the formula. since the dawn of GPU time we have seen:

-high end (best performance but poor price to performance ratio) For example: GTX 580
-mid range (good performance and best price to performance ratio) For example: GTX 560/GTX 560 Ti
-low end (poor performance and poor price to performance ratio) For example: GT 520

on a side note. TinyTomLogan over at OC3D did mention in one of his videos that he has been testing some new graphics card and that they will be released on Tuesday (the 31st of Jan). what they are I have no idea. 7950's I would guess but I guess you never know.

[SKYMTL]

[chiphell] Keep it classy nvidia, viral marketing discovered at chiphell, Kepler rumors debunked


http://www.overclock.net/t/1205407/c...umors-debunked

Show us the proof please.

I have done up and down Chiphell since seeing this post and read more piss-poor translations than I care to admit but not once did I see any proof of this.

It is also ironic that one of the primary sites for misleading info about ANY GPU release suddenly had a blast of consciousness all of a sudden.

[Lanek]

Show us the proof please.

I have done up and down Chiphell since seeing this post and read more piss-poor translations than I care to admit but not once did I see any proof of this.

It is also ironic that one of the primary sites for misleading info about ANY GPU release suddenly had a blast of consciousness all of a sudden.

The only thing i know is a wide marketing rush have been initiate and we have all seen and feel it., since the official 7970 launch in shop, ( the 9jan ) there's not one day without a " leak ", " an info ", a "price ", a " release date " about Kepler.. i will quote Charlie who is preparing an article ( dont ask you why thoses 2 article was so short, see them as an introduction ) about Nvidia marketing : - " Wall Street will look as Gandhi this year compared to Nvidia "



And the most funny, with all the " infos " who have been rolling: We still have absolutely not any idea of what is Kepler, nor to what it look like..


Conclusion: - I will not take the words of Chipphell as true, not more as i take the other we have seen yet.... i think we are flying high so far to accord too much credit to what we read ( good or bad ) .. This make 4 days we are debating about the performance of Kepler based on a price..

[Olivon]

So Charlie is no more Edelman or Bite and he's new nVidia's ho ? Weird world ...

[Lanek]

So Charlie is no more Edelman or Bite and he's new nVidia's ho ? Weird world ...

lol...

[Andrew LB]

Interesting find I just came across.

/runs for cover





edit: http://rigmods.com/wp/blog/leaked-nv...110-chip-info/

[LordEC911]

Interesting find I just came across.

/runs for cover





edit: http://rigmods.com/wp/blog/leaked-nv...110-chip-info/

Already proven fake. Different fonts. Different sizes.
Made 28th week of 2012???

[Andrew LB]

Made 28th week of 2012???

Maybe they're going by fiscal year? We're currently in the 31st week of fiscal year 2012.

/not serious

[Aberration]

Already proven fake. Different fonts. Different sizes.
Made 28th week of 2012???

/runs for cover

For some reason, I think he knew that.

[Andrew LB]

For some reason, I think he knew that.

At least someone around here is perceptive.

It's always humorous when the usual suspects are so in a rush to go after the message and messenger that they completely miss the point.


What I don't get though is the endless rooting for a company to fail. While neither side is without fault... there just seems to be an extra dose of animus with the anti-nVidia/intel crowd. While I currently own intel/nvidia, I really wanted AMD to succeed with Bulldozer. I just wasn't going allow myself to ignore the fact the chip was a bust. I'm also glad the initial hd7xxx cards are fast. The better AMD does, the more pressure there is on Intel and nVidia to build killer products and actually compete for consumers money. At least at the end of the day I get to have a laugh when the same person who is always part of the very negative crowd didn't find his complaining about the HD7970's price to be any bit ironic.

[LordEC911]

At least someone around here is perceptive.

It's always humorous when the usual suspects are so in a rush to go after the message and messenger that they completely miss the point.

Then why post it if you know it is wrong?
How is that helpful? What is your motive?
You clearly knew it has been posted here before....

[Handrox]

Early next week Nvidia starts manufacturers in Asia to present graphic cards based on Kepler, when full production will start in two/three weeks from now.

It's time to say something new. The first news (if true)is breakthrough new feature for PhysX and CUDA through its processing. If this thing really confirmed, it will be a big bomb. Further information concerning the power consumption to be thanks to the final respin very low. Respin also helped NVIDIA achieve high operating GPU frequency. As for performance, still true that middle-class Kepler card easily beats Radeon 7970 ...

You've probably noticed that the ChipHell banned some users, trolls who allegedly worked for Nvidia. This is bull, why would Nvidia Trolls worked there and not just for famous US/EU forums ... it's all only comedy. PS. Banned by a "nApoleon" biggest TROLL there ...

http://www.obr-hardware.com/2012/01/...-chiphell.html