Kepler Nvidia GeForce GTX 780

[paulbagz]

GTX 8800 and GTX 8800 Ultra was priced 650$ and 850$.

lol I paid close to $1300AUD when the Ultra came out (really crap exchange rate back then) yet I still did it.

Just to play Crysis rofl.

-PB

[xMrBunglex]

If someone said a lesser negative thing about amd. People would jump on that person and they might get banned.

Please, just leave. No one is talking about AMD but you. Let us bash Nvidia in peace without turning this into YET ANOTHER Nvidia vs AMD circlejerk. They're both greedy, evil corporations and each deserve their own threads.

[Rollo]

Please, just leave. No one is talking about AMD but you. Let us bash Nvidia in peace without turning this into YET ANOTHER Nvidia vs AMD circlejerk. They're both greedy, evil corporations and each deserve their own threads.

Neither is greedy, or evil.

Both are just doing what all businesses all over the world do- selling their products for what the market will bear to maximize profit.

If people don't like the prices, they should not pay, because that is the only thing that will change the pricing.

[Rollo]

GTX 8800 and GTX 8800 Ultra was priced 650$ and 850$.

I am 99.9% sure I paid $575 for my ATi X800 XT PE way back in 2004, and was happy to get it for that. The MSRP was $499 at launch, but I think they raised it to $549 soon after. It was a pretty bad ass card, and I believe first one I spent over $500 on.

[Sushi Warrior]

Titan offers FP64 at 1/3 speed of FP32, wheras the GTX 780 is restricted to 1/24. Titan is outside of the gaming product stack for a reason. It may be only marginally better than the GTX 780 for gaming, but it offers more beside.

If gaming is your only concern, then the GTX 780 offers far better bang for your buck - which is to be expected as it is purely aimed at the gaming market.

Wait until you see the prices of the gk110 Quadro - the Titan will comparatively start to look like very good value.

No, the Titan will still look like terrible value because the GTX780 has the same FP64 capabilities and costs almost half as much

[mattkosem]

I am 99.9% sure I paid $575 for my ATi X800 XT PE way back in 2004, and was happy to get it for that. The MSRP was $499 at launch, but I think they raised it to $549 soon after. It was a pretty bad ass card, and I believe first one I spent over $500 on.

I had one as well, and bought it for $549 at that time.

--Matt

[cowie]

I just hope we see custom pbc boards and titan chips for prices closer to 780 prices and not titans.
For 1g the pbc is total garbage on titan on 780 its still a rip off too.
No way a hobby vga modder should touch either for this reason.
We wont see any i bet cus nvdia will get a hard on....what are they going to show in slides????
780 lightning going 10% faster then the 1g card they sold you two months ago?

Or asus... look how we do it with the DCII nvdia!!! look we can make them better then the crap you give us to put stickers on.
That would make nv feel really bad and make me feel pretty good

[onewingedangel]

No, the Titan will still look like terrible value because the GTX780 has the same FP64 capabilities and costs almost half as much

Anandtech indicates otherwise - with the GTX 780 being restricted to FP64 at 1/24 FP32 speed compared to 1/3 speed on Titan.

http://anandtech.com/show/6973/nvidi...gtx-780-review

Care to show me the information you were making your judgement on?

[schoolslave]

Any reason for me gaming at 1920x1200 to upgrade from a GTX 680 to the GTX 780 besides just wanting new tech?

I really do not want to support this ridiculous pricing scheme.....

[cowie]

not really if you just keep settings to a liveable quailty and not go overboard with fancy aa.
If you have a custom pbc i'd say mod it and clock it but not if ref 680 cus they are weak also.... go figure

[bobsrig]

You should be embarrassed for posting this, because your two Titans are the far better choice for your 75X14 resolution. 3GB VRAM won't cut it for that.

I should note, I'm not trying to be the Titan or NVIDIA defense league here. Obviously for most people 780s are a better buy.

But Titans can be OCd as well, have higher than stock clock versions, and there are reasons to buy them.

Just having double the VRAM, more shaders/TMUs makes them worth more, the only question is "how much"? I'm just not ready to go throw rocks at the NVIDIA building because they made a cut down version of the same card that is more affordable.

I have never seen a game take more than 2.8 gb of ram. Unless I went crazy with AA. This 6gb was never needed until we get 4k surround. The Promise was a premium Product premium price. I would act the same way if Ford release a mustang 5% slower than my GT500 for 30 percent less. The Titan was away for nvidia to raise the price of the 780 period, a money grab. AMD please bring something to the table. I think that anyone buying the 780 will be getting ripped the same way the Titan buyers where taken. GTX 780 $499 is what it should have cost and Titan if only a little faster should have been $750. No need to worry plenty of suckers will jump on the 780 as I did the Titan and every card before.

the new EVGA is faster then Titan

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/E...SC_ACX_Cooler/

[Rob94hawk]

I am 99.9% sure I paid $575 for my ATi X800 XT PE way back in 2004, and was happy to get it for that. The MSRP was $499 at launch, but I think they raised it to $549 soon after. It was a pretty bad ass card, and I believe first one I spent over $500 on.

It was a badass card! It was the only card at the time that could run Doom 3 @ 1600x1200 on my Dell 2001fp. I bet if I re-grease the heatsink, cause I haven't done it since 2004, I bet it'll still work. It was a horrible overclocker though. Would artifact a little past stock.

[Blacklash]

Yes, and I remember when ATi released the X1900 XTX for 649usd.

It had 25MHz more on the core than the X1900 XT and 50 more on the ram yet it was +100usd over the XT.

[Sushi Warrior]

Anandtech indicates otherwise - with the GTX 780 being restricted to FP64 at 1/24 FP32 speed compared to 1/3 speed on Titan.

http://anandtech.com/show/6973/nvidi...gtx-780-review

Care to show me the information you were making your judgement on?

They are both GK110, and as such they both have FP64... any lock that Nvidia put in place would be hardware based only and restricting you from the capabilities that you payed for. That'd just be rude! But yes, in the link you posted the double precision performance is bad. Really curious how they managed that.

EDIT: The chip has the capability, they just locked the option in drivers. I'm sure there will be a workaround.

[CedricFP]

I had one as well, and bought it for $549 at that time.

--Matt

Gosh that brings back memories. I got one of the GTO2 cards that could be flashed to an XT PE. At half price. Those were the days.

But even so, high end at 650 is not in keeping with tradition. Sure, there are other examples, but they exist as outliers. Truth be told, nVidia is only charging this much because people are paying this much.

[biohead]

I am 99.9% sure I paid $575 for my ATi X800 XT PE way back in 2004, and was happy to get it for that. The MSRP was $499 at launch, but I think they raised it to $549 soon after. It was a pretty bad ass card, and I believe first one I spent over $500 on.

I paid 450 euros for the X800 Pro VIVO back then - flashed it to XT (16 pipes), did a fairly good job considering.

[cowie]

ok so at least 1 semi annouced non ref pbc(for the better)card so far
so i am glad to be wrong on that i posted before thinking nv has the pimp hand down

http://www.evga.com/articles/00746/#3788

[LordEC911]

They are both GK110, and as such they both have FP64... any lock that Nvidia put in place would be hardware based only and restricting you from the capabilities that you payed for. That'd just be rude! But yes, in the link you posted the double precision performance is bad. Really curious how they managed that.

EDIT: The chip has the capability, they just locked the option in drivers. I'm sure there will be a workaround.

There has never been a workaround before, at least in recent history.

[Sushi Warrior]

There has never been a workaround before, at least in recent history.

Maybe because there has never been a driver lock like this in any history. At most I would think this takes a resistor ID tweak or something. 780 has the same FP64 hardware, it just needs the proverbial software switch to be flipped. And judging by the effort people will put into this stuff, it's a matter of time until they work it out.

[Sushi Warrior]

There has almost always been a driver lock.
Go check past professional/workstation cards.

Those aren't direct comparisons. These are 2 almost identical cards, both GeForce line, with the same FP64 capability. Much different than a Quadro or Tesla and the equivalent GeForce. A workaround should be much easier.

[LordEC911]

Those aren't direct comparisons. These are 2 almost identical cards, both GeForce line, with the same FP64 capability. Much different than a Quadro or Tesla and the equivalent GeForce. A workaround should be much easier.

So you are saying that past Quadro and Tesla use different silicon than Geforce?
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6774/n...mance-unveiled

GTX580 was 1/8 FP32 even though 1/2 FP32 was possible.

Edit- Oh, I finally get what you are trying to say.
Still... it is highly unlikely.

[Sushi Warrior]

So you are saying that past Quadro and Tesla use different silicon than Geforce?
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6774/n...mance-unveiled

GTX580 was 1/8 FP32 even though 1/2 FP32 was possible.

But there wasn't a "GTX580 Titan" that had 1/2 FP32. I'm saying that this isn't the same as Quadro/Tesla being hacked onto GeForce, I'm saying this is GeForce being hacked onto GeForce.

[UrbanSmooth]

So, the GTX 780 has finally arrived, and no one really cares 'thanks' to the GTX Titan.

[paulbagz]

Nobody cares? How so?

-PB

[highoctane]

But there wasn't a "GTX580 Titan" that had 1/2 FP32. I'm saying that this isn't the same as Quadro/Tesla being hacked onto GeForce, I'm saying this is GeForce being hacked onto GeForce.

Well its very possible that they integrated bridges on die that are cut in the binning process, nothing to alter on pcb or via driver hacks.