Kepler Nvidia GeForce GTX 780

[LordEC911]

Ah, my mistake then.

[DilTech]

Ah, my mistake then.

It happens. There's been so much going on this year alone hardware wise it's almost unfeasible to expect anyone - no matter HOW big of an enthusiast they are - to be able to keep up with 100% accuracy.

[UrbanSmooth]

Accuracy? You WANT accuracy!? The type of accuracy that a 6GB GTX 780 will deliver!

[Mech0z]

Any 660 performance numbers yet? Just wonder if I should replace my 560 (None TI) with it to get more silent operation

[boxleitnerb]

Don't expect more than a 30% boost.

[OCX600RR]

Regarding GTX 660:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...s-the-GTX-660-!

[BHD]

Hi Guys.

List Nvidia Kepler Medium And Value VGA .

[iMacmatician]

GK106 has (at least) 1152 CCs? I find that a bit hard to believe.

[Lanek]

allready a typo on the 680 ... well i can imagine they think use low clocked 670cores ( even with 64bit on MC disabled and less memory ), but damn, im not sure they will have enough chips..

And GK106 with 1152SP look a bit too high (6x 192SP ? )

[Olivon]

ComputerBase talks about a GTX 660 Ti with 1344CC but 192-bit bus and a GTX660 1152CC with 192-bit too.

http://translate.google.fr/translate...im-anmarsch%2F

[Lanek]

ComputerBase talks about a GTX 660 Ti with 1344CC but 192-bit bus and a GTX660 1152CC with 192-bit too.

http://translate.google.fr/translate...im-anmarsch%2F

They all base their article on VideoCardz numbers .. ( same for Guru article yesterday ) ...

It is possible... if they was plan to use a GK104 (680 core) with 2 SMX disabled, finally to use a 670core and underclock it.... specially if underclocked + 2SMX disabled was not match or overpass the performance of the competition. It cost them the same . the only thing they will add is disable 64bits on the memory controller.

Its more the gk106 who look a bit strange with 6SMX of 192SP ( if there's 192SP, but for this i base myself on the 960SP of the 650 ... 192SP match but not more )

Why surprising? The difference of performance with 1x SMX disabled in games is really poor, clock a 670 at 680 clock speed ( as many overclocking model are and even further ), and you end with a 670 equal or better in performance of the 680 ... look the Asus DirectCUII 670.. it beat the 680 in absolutely all games by a far margin. In this case why make a GK104 660TI with one more SMX ( cost wise ) . At same clock the card should not deliver a lot of performance in more. A GK106 at 670 clock speed will be 3-4 % slower of the initial GTX670 .. but this remove too the interest of the 660TI with 1344SP cores.

All 192SP / SMX:
GK104 - 680 = 8SMX
GK104 - 670 = 7SMX ( one disabled )
GK104 - 660TI = 7SMX ( one disabled )

GK106 - 660 = 6SMX
GK106 - 650 = 5SMX ( one disabled )

GK107 - 640 = 2SMX

At the moment we have the confirmation of the GTX660 GK106, number of SMX and SP we will be sure of the 660TI SP numbers .

[Olivon]

At the moment we have the confirmation of the GTX660 GK106, number of SMX and SP we will be sure of the 660TI SP numbers .

We have no confirmation at all. GTX 660 could be GK104 too.

[Lanek]

We have no confirmation at all. GTX 660 could be GK104 too.

You want Nvidia to need to deal with 4 SKU on the GK104 ? still can be possible and will be logic in term of SMX . ( 2 SMX disabled on the 660 " standard ) and GK106 with a 4SMX design ( who is a bit more logic ). Not sure TSMC can supply enough GK104 based waffer anyway. (midrange card sell like hotcakes.. in the price range most gamers will push their money .. the ratio of 560 sold vs the 580 is surely 15-20x superior .. i play captain obvious there)

[[XC] hipno650]

i don't think it would make any sense to see the 660 TI on GK104 and the 660 on a different core (GK106) I would expect to see it more along the lines of both cards on Gk106 and the standard 660 just being cut down. just like with the 560ti and the 560.

[NEOAethyr]

I saw the rumors the other day on the 650 and 660's.
I'm totally dissapointed about it.

I was expecting a 660ti, 768 shaders, and 256bit interface with 2-4gigs of ram.
Instead we get way more shaders, and less mem bandwith and such.

The reason I was expecting that exact config is because I would of liked it that way, half the wattage of the 680, but with more performance then a 580.
This sucks @ss...
I'm undecided if I should buy the 680 or wait it out another gen or 2.
I wanted a 100w card that kicks butt, but nooope...
Ohwell :\, ... I hope the rumors aren't accurate...

[Lanek]

i don't think it would make any sense to see the 660 TI on GK104 and the 660 on a different core (GK106) I would expect to see it more along the lines of both cards on Gk106 and the standard 660 just being cut down. just like with the 560ti and the 560.

When i read this type of compilation of rumors, i cant help me and think there's different rumor, sku and spec mixed.. but well if the date of release are true, we will not get so much time to wait for know what it is .

Nvidia need anyway something really great for counter AMD on midrange, as they have nothing yet and we are allready in July. Marketing and performance wise they need something quickly in the mid range. The 7870-7850 are on the market since March.. this make allready 4 month they are out and they was plenty of models on the release... the price was considered a bit high on release but now they are sold at 270$ with rebate (MSI TWFII 1050mhz) . Whatever will release Nvidia, AMD will drop the price a bit, and i will not be surprised to see 7870 OC models at 269,99$ without rebate soon.

[DilTech]

i don't think it would make any sense to see the 660 TI on GK104 and the 660 on a different core (GK106) I would expect to see it more along the lines of both cards on Gk106 and the standard 660 just being cut down. just like with the 560ti and the 560.

Considering the initial 680 was suppose to be the 670ti and the 670 was suppose to be the standard 670 I think it makes sense. It's not much different than the 560ti 448 compared to the 560ti when you think about it. Sounds to me like NVidia would like to dump off as many GK104's as they can, and figure this would be the perfect way to do so. The real question is, will we end up seeing a situation similar to the 465, where some 660's are full fledged 670's that are bios locked to meet demand...

[Lanek]

Considering the initial 680 was suppose to be the 670ti and the 670 was suppose to be the standard 670 I think it makes sense. It's not much different than the 560ti 448 compared to the 560ti when you think about it. Sounds to me like NVidia would like to dump off as many GK104's as they can, and figure this would be the perfect way to do so. The real question is, will we end up seeing a situation similar to the 465, where some 660's are full fledged 670's that are bios locked to meet demand...

What you forget, is the 560TI 448 cores have been released 6-7 months later of the 560TI standard version for clean the pipes of the 570-580 who was unused ..... this card have been aimed at low quantity late on the 500 lineup ... not as a base midrange in the lineup as the 660TI is aimed at. ...

If the 660TI is released with a 670-680 "GK04cores" and taking in account this midrange cards sell 10-15-20x more at this price point of the highrange cards and watching how nvidia is just suppliying enough cards yet for the 670-680.. peoples who want this card have some real worry to have for find them... better to allready suscribe on some retailer site for be the first to purchase them ... i really doubt TSMC will be able to produce so much waffer .

[Olivon]

You want Nvidia to need to deal with 4 SKU on the GK104 ? still can be possible and will be logic in term of SMX . ( 2 SMX disabled on the 660 " standard ) and GK106 with a 4SMX design ( who is a bit more logic ). Not sure TSMC can supply enough GK104 based waffer anyway. (midrange card sell like hotcakes.. in the price range most gamers will push their money .. the ratio of 560 sold vs the 580 is surely 15-20x superior .. i play captain obvious there)

Do you forgot Kepler Mobile Quadro series ?
All K3000M (576CC), K4000M (960CC) and 5000M (1344CC) are GK104-based.

[Lanek]

All QUadro series have been made like that for ages ... but professional cards are completely different in term of marketing of gamers product. They adapt the price with one thousand of dollars under by disqualify 3-4SM ... not 100$ ...

Nvidia is just able right now to supply enough 670 and 680 cards to their retail partners... and .. if they add too much sku on the GK104.. TSMC will be in the impossibility to supply more GK104 ....... ofc they can release it like that and in the review this will work, and peoples who will buy a 660 will fall in the trap thinking they buy a 660TI based on review ... but TSMC right now, cant multiply by 2x the capacity of the GK104 lines . dont even think to 4x times with a second SKU..

Its physically impossible TSMC is able to supply enough waffer of the GK104 for make a 660 and a 660TI with the 670 -680 cores... Or nvidia stop produce the 670-680 and push all the cores in the 660 lines and even with that, im not even sure with the performance/ price ratio, we can imagine they will be able to follow ...

- a 660TI GK104 with the same amount of SP of the 670 ,, will totally kill the 670 sell as this is the same core, performance can be the same .
- a 660 with 2 SMX disabled and 192SP less of the 670 ,,, is able to reach performance level of the 670 without problem ...

when we know a 670 with a turboboost of 20mhz higher of the 680 is able to kill the 680 in 100% of the game .... i let you imagine the problem ....

Nvidia will Kill his series of gamers cards, just by releasing that... allready today if you make a comparaison with the 600 series released......... some 670 are faster of the 680.. and you can buy them on a retail shop for 50$ less of the 680. If Nvidia want to play the performance crown at all price, i fear it..

[Olivon]

Its physically impossible TSMC is able to supply enough waffer of the GK104 for make a 660 and a 660TI with the 670 -680 cores... Or nvidia stop produce the 670-680 and push all the cores in the 660 lines and even with that

Regarding times you got to lost, you don't seem to work at TSMC and you don't know TSMC 28nm ramping capacity with accuracy. Stop take dreams for reality.

[highoctane]

Nvidia has simply reached the point that supply and demand for 670/680 have found equilibrium, production capacity has met and surpassed demand.

I would wager that TSMC has been able to consistently increase capacity/volume since the introduction of the 28nm node as new equipment is brought online and the process matures, that is how they make their money afterall and how they pay for the new process ramp. The more volume the sell on a particular process node the faster they recoup their investments in the technology.

As TSMC 28nm capacity increases more products will be shifted to the 28nm node, I'm sure Nvidia and TSMC have coordinated and know what can be supplied and what projected demand should be ahead of release.

We'll just have to wait and see.

[Lanek]

Regarding times you got to lost, you don't seem to work at TSMC and you don't know TSMC 28nm ramping capacity with accuracy. Stop take dreams for reality.

I was think my response was really reasonable and simple .. maybe not so much ..

je vais te le faire en francais alors .. je pensais que ma réponse était simple et prenait en question tout les problème que peux rencontrer TSMC sur leur suffisance de lignes de productions pour le GK104 .. mais il semblerait que tu penses qu' il est en est tout autre .. Sérieusement je serais heureux que tu nous expliques comment tu penses que TSMC fonctionne. Franchement TSMC a juste réussi ces dernières semaine a trouver un équilibre pour produire les 670 and 680.. et maintenant tu voudrais qu' ils soient capable de produire 10x plus de GK104 pour les 660 ? bonne chance


Sérieusement on sait que Nvidia se plaint publiquement du pix du waffer et ils vont peux-être les uiliser sur 3 SKU ( les 660-670-680 )... avec un prix par carte de 300 à 500$ ..... c' est foutre de l' argent au chiottes .. si Nvidia pour des raisons de marketing et performances sort ces 660 en GK104, la prochaine fois qu' ils se plaignent du prix du waffer je serais le 1 er a leur rappeler a quel point ils se foutent de notre gueule.

[Olivon]

I know nothing. I don't know contracts and multiple obligations. So I shut my mouth and I'm waiting products to come.

[Lanek]

I know nothing. I don't know contracts and multiple obligations. So I shut my mouth and I'm waiting products to come.

So i will do like you ....
Tu sais je te respecte beaucoup, aucun souci ....