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    Quote Originally Posted by tajoh111 View Post
    Amd cannot be thinking this is all NV brought to the table.If NV wants, it can put on a price war with the 79xx series which AMD cannot want/win.
    Take this as simple as it is. Nor AMD nor NVIDIA can win as both are constrained by TSMC's 28nm capacity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by highoctane View Post
    Performance and pricing is going to be relative to the competition, if AMD launched 7970 at $300 well then we would have ~$300 Nvidia cards of comparable level of performance.
    Just to be clear on this, I'm not blaming either company (user of both brands, depending on what's the best buy at any given point in time). However, if it's relative to the competition: the HD7970 launched at GTX580/GTX480 levels, as that's what it competed with. In essence nVidia then said: Well here is our new card, that manages to perform at the same level, so we put it at the same price. Does that mean that the next crown (HD8970 or GTX780) would be placed at >$500, as it beats the current top of the competition?

    Surely companies are companies, but paying the premium for cards that were not aimed at said market feels so wrong. Had nothing gone wrong you'd now have the GTX660 & 7970 for almost half the cost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tajoh111 View Post
    Amd cannot be thinking this is all NV brought to the table.If NV wants, it can put on a price war with the 79xx series which AMD cannot want/win.
    Forgot about the 7870? That's a hell of a card and costs a lot less than 680/79x0.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tajoh111 View Post
    Amd cannot be thinking this is all NV brought to the table.If NV wants, it can put on a price war with the 79xx series which AMD cannot want/win.
    And how do you KNOW this?

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    GK104 was supposed to be a $299.99 - $349.99 card. The only reason it will be priced a $500 is because AMD has no answer, The only way AMD can push prices down and compete as of this moment, is to price the 7970 @ $399.99 and the 7870 @ 249.99.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HelixPC View Post
    GK104 was supposed to be a $299.99 - $349.99 card. The only reason it will be priced a $500 is because AMD has no answer,
    this part makes no sense. the first to market usually gets to set their price based on current models for a hefty margin. as competition comes out, and as yields get better and ram up production, prices fall.

    if both camps came out with 600mm2 beasts that were 3x faster than current generation. we cannot expect them to be 400-500$ just because prior top end was in that range. the model number is the LAST thing that affects price.

    Quote Originally Posted by HelixPC View Post
    The only way AMD can push prices down and compete as of this moment, is to price the 7970 @ $399.99 and the 7870 @ 249.99.
    i do agree with this, IF nvidia is launching theirs at ~450-475$. however i think they will just push the fact they have more GBs and show eyefinity gaming with high AA levels where 2GB starts to choke a little, and then try to keep prices closer. but we all would know what we want for what we need it to do. because i doubt im going to multi monitor gaming, i think 2GB is fine for what i do in the next 2-3 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by w0mbat View Post
    compare the dirt3 results from the hd7k tests and the leak from today.

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    gtx580 gets about the same fps, hd7970 loses 10fps. wut?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhavv View Post
    Same everything else in the rest of the system specs between the two reviews?
    well, we dont know the hw setup of the gtx680 test bit im quiet sure it stays the same. they wont use slower hw for the gtx680 test.
    so, why are the hd7k cards this much slower in the gtx680 test, while all the other cards (gtx580, gtx590 & hd6990) stay roughly the same?

    i smell that the gtx680 will have a rough time fighting for the crown, specially at high res + lots of real MSAA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bhavv View Post
    Same everything else in the rest of the system specs between the two reviews?
    The other cards look the same, so it's a fair question

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    No, this leak is exactly that; a leak.

    Wait for reviews.

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    Quote Originally Posted by w0mbat View Post
    gtx580 gets about the same fps, hd7970 loses 10fps. wut?
    You got me.....something isn't quite right there...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SKYMTL View Post
    You got me.....something isn't quite right there...
    I'm entirely with you here...
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    Quote Originally Posted by w0mbat View Post
    compare the dirt3 results from the hd7k tests and the leak from today.

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    gtx580 gets about the same fps, hd7970 loses 10fps. wut?

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    Quote Originally Posted by w0mbat View Post
    compare the dirt3 results from the hd7k tests and the leak from today.

    gtx580 gets about the same fps, hd7970 loses 10fps. wut?

    thx@boxleitnerb

    Wow that's quite a catch. I wonder what Tom's has to say about this. In the review, The 7950 is neck and neck with the 580, and the 7970 beats the 580 by a healthy margin. Yet, in the leaked GTX 680 graph, the HD 7970 and GTX 580 are on equal terms using the same settings?

    They're going to have a rough time explaining that one away.
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    Easy, THG cheated on the AMD benchmarks at launch :P

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    Hmm.. could be drivers??
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    other comparison:
    battlefield, seems nearly identical
    crysis 2, the dx11 is the same, but dx9 is WAY faster in todays review (87 vs 61)
    3dmark 11, 7970 same, but 7950 dropped 150pts in todays review
    WoW, both 7900s dropped a few frames (like 3%)
    in elder scrolls the difference is massive. the older review was limited by the cpu (4.2ghz 3960X) and in the 70s fps on all gpus and the new one is over 120fps. so now im thinking they changed their platform around and why were seeing such differences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manicdan View Post
    other comparison:
    battlefield, seems nearly identical
    crysis 2, the dx11 is the same, but dx9 is WAY faster in todays review (87 vs 61)
    3dmark 11, 7970 same, but 7950 dropped 150pts in todays review
    WoW, both 7900s dropped a few frames (like 3%)
    in elder scrolls the difference is massive. the older review was limited by the cpu (4.2ghz 3960X) and in the 70s fps on all gpus and the new one is over 120fps. so now im thinking they changed their platform around and why were seeing such differences.
    Crysis 2 dx9 performance was fixed in the new drivers.
    Skyrim performance was fixed with 1.3 patch.
    Could be that Dirt 3 took a hit with the new drivers?
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    Not Good For AMD HD 7970 .
    Depends on what you are using the cards for ... I have a big interest in the GPU version of the HCC app currently in beta on WCG... it's OpenCL and heavy on float so the 7970 actually looks great (*assuming the chart is accurate*)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pantsu View Post
    Crysis 2 dx9 performance was fixed in the new drivers.
    Skyrim performance was fixed with 1.3 patch.
    Could be that Dirt 3 took a hit with the new drivers?
    I think it did, I was a bit scared when i compared benchmarks from before with now, but that makes sense.

    oh well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Piotrsama View Post
    Forgot about the 7870? That's a hell of a card and costs a lot less than 680/79x0.
    The 7870 seems like it is in another performance tier down. At 350 dollars, your simply getting the difference in cost/performance. The gtx 680 is 45% faster and if you do the math, your getting more or less the same bang for your buck compared to the high end, even better if the gtx 680 is priced at $499. This should not be the case for a companies bang for your buck midrange card compared to the competitors high end. Of course we have to look at other reviews, but depending on the pricing of the gtx 670, It looks like AMD entire line is going to get a price drop.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elmy View Post
    And how do you KNOW this?
    Nvidia chip has one 1gb less memory, it is a smaller die and most importantly, the Nvidia brand is stronger than the AMD brand to gamers. Meaning at the same performance/price, overall the public will pick Nvidia. It not as strong as the CPU market of AMD/Intel, but it is definitely there and steams hardware survey backs this up. AMD also has a bit more to lose at this point too. With almost all of AMD entire line out, price drops on the high end are going to cause a chain reaction for the rest of the lineup. E.g if the price of the 7970 drops, it could effect the price of the 7950 and with the 7950 at a lower price, the price of the 7870 has to drop. This is a good thing for the consumer.

    I think we have to wait for more reviews, but most of us 3 weeks ago didn't expect the 7970 to be beat or matched by Nvidia's smaller chip.

    I don't know how some people can expect to be disappointed with the performance though, Maybe the 25% rumors were untrue, but those were unfounded and most were expecting trading blows with a 7950. Considering the size of the chip, and most importantly the bandwidth, I think these results are better than we can expect. The bandwidth was more a less a given since 256bit bus was the most confirmed things out of all the rumors, along with the pictures. I myself thought a bit better than a 7950 and probably losing to a 7970 and I am surprised this chip is doing so well with the same bandwidth as a gtx 580.
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    Weren't we expecting price drops either way? I mean, if GK110 would have been GTX680 and performed relatively to 7970 as GTX580 to 6970 we could assume a slight price drop on AMD parts because Nvidia would probably not price their cards above $650 anyways..

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    Quote Originally Posted by tajoh111 View Post
    The 7870 seems like it is in another performance tier down. At 350 dollars, your simply getting the difference in cost/performance. The gtx 680 is 45% faster and if you do the math, your getting more or less the same bang for your buck compared to the high end, even better if the gtx 680 is priced at $499. This should not be the case for a companies bang for your buck midrange card compared to the competitors high end. Of course we have to look at other reviews, but depending on the pricing of the gtx 670, It looks like AMD entire line is going to get a price drop.

    Nvidia chip has one 1gb less memory, it is a smaller die and most importantly, the Nvidia brand is stronger than the AMD brand to gamers. Meaning at the same performance/price, overall the public will pick Nvidia. It not as strong as the CPU market of AMD/Intel, but it is definitely there and steams hardware survey backs this up. AMD also has a bit more to lose at this point too. With almost all of AMD entire line out, price drops on the high end are going to cause a chain reaction for the rest of the lineup. E.g if the price of the 7970 drops, it could effect the price of the 7950 and with the 7950 at a lower price, the price of the 7870 has to drop. This is a good thing for the consumer.

    I think we have to wait for more reviews, but most of us 3 weeks ago didn't expect the 7970 to be beat or matched by Nvidia's smaller chip.
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    Maybe Nvidia will wait until 8000 series release then the gk110 will come out as gtx780 and gk104 will be rebadged to gtx760 .....

    NDA is over soon so the truth will be known then ..... Hurry ffs

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