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    Quote Originally Posted by generics_user View Post
    he's adding too much hate into his articles to be taken seriously; it doesn't matter what or where his sources are
    Not saying anything regarding its performance but I rather doubt OBR has a 7970 sample as he did with Bulldozer.
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    I have a friend who is a programmer in the games industry who allways gets 'beta' graphics cards - development chips with broken drivers. He always says that performance on these is poor, and much slower than what appears in stores later on.

    No way anyone can tell what the final performance would be. Only ballpark figures.
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    Not OBR again... hope his blog isn't true like Bulldozer, lets hope that 7xxx is not a failure because if it is, I'm giving up all hope for AMD.
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    ive been looking through this thread and im disappointed in the hate and expectations.

    this gen is a 1st gen on a new arch so the drivers will suck, its on a new process affter skipping a gen and having very little test hardware if at all, and it was supposed to be out last year showing up the 5870 and since there were none of thees out they did not get the time to make a hardware changes based on performance needs. so its going to be alot like the 4890 v 5870, with that fight u had a fully working driver with a high clocked reworked core to maximize overclocking vs a heavy change in the GPU on a new process. this will be the same and at launch it wont do much better as the hd6 is the perfected hd5.

    so as i see it, if amd gets better than the hd6 at launch it will be a success since if they can keep xfire scaling up, it will let amd keep the performance crown
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    Quote Originally Posted by zanzabar View Post
    ive been looking through this thread and im disappointed in the hate and expectations.

    this gen is a 1st gen on a new arch so the drivers will suck, its on a new process affter skipping a gen and having very little test hardware if at all, and it was supposed to be out last year showing up the 5870 and since there were none of thees out they did not get the time to make a hardware changes based on performance needs. so its going to be alot like the 4890 v 5870, with that fight u had a fully working driver with a high clocked reworked core to maximize overclocking vs a heavy change in the GPU on a new process. this will be the same and at launch it wont do much better as the hd6 is the perfected hd5.

    so as i see it, if amd gets better than the hd6 at launch it will be a success since if they can keep xfire scaling up, it will let amd keep the performance crown
    Nvidia faced a load of issues with the compute stuff.
    still does.
    if amd took the more conservative approach and want to add upon the compute later on dosnt matter much since it has its own limitations in design.

    However, faster than 580 is good for me, OC and watercooled should cover my needs.
    dont need Godlike performance.
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    I think AMD will remain competitive in the desktop segment simply because all evidence point to Kepler being at least one quarter later than Tahiti. So even if Tahiti only bests Fermi by a small margin it will still sell well.
    What AMD really needs is to be competitive in the workstation segment with their professional cards, and I think this is what they are likely aiming for with GCN.
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    To be a Bulldozer type fiasco the new cards should lose to Cayman in quite a few cases which I don't think it's likely to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuroimaho View Post
    I remember how people were laughing at his posts about bulldozer until bulldozer launch day...
    Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

    In all seriousness, he's been around for a long time, way before Bulldozer, he used to be on here. I don't trust much of his predictions or inside info. There is reason for that.
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    S/A has details of the launch of the 7k low end mobile parts covered here:

    http://semiaccurate.com/2011/12/07/a...-hd7000m-gpus/


    Basically a 100% rebrand, which Charlie believes is entirely OEM`s choice/fault.
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    that's kinda ty, having basically a 28nm 4870 for the hd 7670 would have been really nice for the mobile gaming industry

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    JF-AMD posting: IPC increases!!!!!!! How many times did I tell you!!!

    terrace215 post: IPC decreases, The more I post the more it decreases.
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    So when do the 28 nm parts come out? [skipped to this page]

    I have been waiting to buy trinity for quite awhile now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R101 View Post
    I have a friend who is a programmer in the games industry who allways gets 'beta' graphics cards - development chips with broken drivers. He always says that performance on these is poor, and much slower than what appears in stores later on.

    No way anyone can tell what the final performance would be. Only ballpark figures.
    Because when they get cards it isn't about the performance it is about the architecture and figuring out how to utilize it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dimitriman View Post
    Basically a 100% rebrand, which Charlie believes is entirely OEM`s choice/fault.
    Yes, we have known about this since August...

    Quote Originally Posted by AliG View Post
    that's kinda ty, having basically a 28nm 4870 for the hd 7670 would have been really nice for the mobile gaming industry
    Ummm... then wait for the 77x0m.

    Quote Originally Posted by Klarko View Post
    So when do the 28 nm parts come out? [skipped to this page]

    I have been waiting to buy trinity for quite awhile now.
    28nm cards are expected Q1 from AMD.
    Trinity is still 32nm...
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    Every genocide that was committed during the 20th century has been preceded by the disarmament of the target population. Once the government outlaws your guns your life becomes a luxury afforded to you by the state. You become a tool to benefit the state. Should you cease to benefit the state or even worse become an annoyance or even a hindrance to the state then your life becomes more trouble than it is worth.

    Once the government outlaws your guns your life is forfeit. You're already dead, it's just a question of when they are going to get around to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LordEC911 View Post
    Ummm... then wait for the 77x0m.
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    Pricing. The price range for the 7670 would definitely be preferable, that and its irritating the that the 5770, 6770 and 7770 will roughly be the same card. By having it be the 7670, it forces AMD to not just rename the low end and have a real new product

    Quote Originally Posted by Hans de Vries View Post

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    so i dont understand? i thought there was a press thing in London on monday? where is the press release/info? seriously hope it wasn't just for re-badged 7600m chips.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dimitriman View Post
    S/A has details of the launch of the 7k low end mobile parts covered here:

    http://semiaccurate.com/2011/12/07/a...-hd7000m-gpus/


    Basically a 100% rebrand, which Charlie believes is entirely OEM`s choice/fault.
    Charlie's bias is a bit ridiculous at times. When NV does it, he craps on them like crazy, when AMD does it, it is the OEM fault.

    I remember Nvidia saying the exact same thing saying it was the OEM's that wanted the rebrand and not them. Charlie needs to clear up some of his bias or hatred.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AliG View Post
    Pricing. The price range for the 7670 would definitely be preferable, that and its irritating the that the 5770, 6770 and 7770 will roughly be the same card. By having it be the 7670, it forces AMD to not just rename the low end and have a real new product
    4870 is roughly a 5770... only the 5770, due to it's die size, has a 128bit bus.
    77x0m will be on 28nm.

    Why would you expect AMD to waste resources on making new 28nm lowend GPUs when they are being limited by the diesize needed for a 128bit bus, especially if you want them to increase lowend performance?
    When you drop to 64bit, even with GDDR5, you will be right within the range of their APUs.
    You want them to waste their 28nm wafers on small, <100mm2, 28nm GPUs with a 64bit bus to market to the <$100 market?
    Originally Posted by motown_steve
    Every genocide that was committed during the 20th century has been preceded by the disarmament of the target population. Once the government outlaws your guns your life becomes a luxury afforded to you by the state. You become a tool to benefit the state. Should you cease to benefit the state or even worse become an annoyance or even a hindrance to the state then your life becomes more trouble than it is worth.

    Once the government outlaws your guns your life is forfeit. You're already dead, it's just a question of when they are going to get around to you.

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    Yay so technically my MBP has a 7600m inside rather than a 6750m hehe :P

    The sad part is that people are moving away from laptop graphics which i support to an extend i mean 6990m is just stupid but a mid-high end mobile GPU like the 7600m-7700m would be great in the long run.
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    edit 12-10-2011 : Post deleted on demand
    Last edited by Olivon; 12-10-2011 at 03:53 AM.

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    it looks like there are 10 memory chips so must be 320 bit 7950 ?.. 2x8 pin on board but one is 6pin connected

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    I see 11 module, weird ...

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    Should be 12. In regards to the picture orientation: 2 to the left, 4 on the lower side, 1 lower right (diagonally), 3 to the right, 1 upper right (diagonally) and 1 between GPU and PCIe interface.

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    Interesting to see a Xfire soloution under an 850 watt power supply. Could be a good sign?

    Also is that a 10 phase PWM i spot? Correction looks like a 6+1

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    Quote Originally Posted by boxleitnerb View Post
    Should be 12. In regards to the picture orientation: 2 to the left, 4 on the lower side, 1 lower right (diagonally), 3 to the right, 1 upper right (diagonally) and 1 between GPU and PCIe interface.
    and boxleitnerb takes the pie

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    850W is overpowered for 2 cards. I don't think that says anything. I am worried, AMD will do the same thing Nvidia did with their TDP...lie.

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    Im still looking forward to the release of this cards , bang for bucks HD7950 its what im looking at.

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