AMD's FX 8170 speculation and what FX was supose to run clock wise at launch

[charged3800z24]

I'm bored today, ... so
What do you think AMD CPU's were ment to lauch at Clock wise? and do you think AMD is still planning on a FX 8170?

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[mR Yellow]

I'm bored today, ... so
What do you think AMD CPU's were ment to lauch at Clock wise? and do you think AMD is still planning on a FX 8170?

Play BF3

Back to topic: Maybe, if they can get proper yields. ATM they just struggling to get the chips out to suppliers.

[csimon]

I think that 8170 will launch but shouldn't. Also, I think that 8170 will be the same core using the same slow cache and will underperform just like what has already been released.

If I were an AMD executive I would intercept this release with name and design changes to remove the present & current stigma.

[FlanK3r]

yes, I think, we will see 8170. There are 2 options:
1)FX 8170 will be 3.8 GHz with max turbo at 4.3 GHz
2) FX 8170 will be 3.8 GHz with max turbo at 4.5 GHz!

[charged3800z24]

I was thinking it would be between 4ghz and 4.2 and 4.8ghz turbo. If they could refine the Glo-Fo issues or what ever all went wrong, I think that FX would have launched at higher speeds anyways. With these speed boost stock and more apps using the new instruction sets, AMD would not be in a bad spot for this chip.

[EniGmA1987]

"What do you think AMD CPU's were ment to lauch at Clock wise?"

The original talk from AMD was to launch the Bulldozer processors at a starting speed of around 4GHz base, with turbo on top of that. But due to lots of issues, we got the same speeds as Phenom II.

[BeepBeep2]

I was thinking it would be between 4ghz and 4.2 and 4.8ghz turbo. If they could refine the Glo-Fo issues or what ever all went wrong, I think that FX would have launched at higher speeds anyways. With these speed boost stock and more apps using the new instruction sets, AMD would not be in a bad spot for this chip.

I don't think we will see those types of clocks until Q2...

[PatRaceTin]

i hope it got same price 8150 at launch

[FlanK3r]

I think, we will see this product in Q1 2012. As the last top FX of first generation.

[informal]

My speculation : 3.9Ghz base,4.2Ghz/4.5Ghz half/full core Turbo.

[LightSpeed]

I would say they were targeting around 3.8ghz base clocks with around 4.5ghz turbo. I forgot but I think it was anand who mentioned that they wanted atleast a 500 mhz frequency increase over thuban but that wasnt the case.

Heres hoping GLoFo fixes the process issues and they get a newer rev out asap, I want better than C2 > C3 improvements and 5.5+ clocks

[[XC] gomeler]

Would be a nice marketing move to release a chip with a stock frequency of 4 GHz and a turbo up to 4.5 GHz. I fear AMD might follow down Intel's Netburst path in an attempt to salvage this architecture. These fears may be unfounded if Global Foundries can get their together* and through better manufacturing processes permit Bulldozer to run more efficiently.


I wonder if there'd be any major difference if Bulldozer was manufactured on Intel's 32nm lines.

*- This is based on what I've read that Global Foundries immature process is holding back Bulldozer clocks. Hopefully Global Foundries can mature their 32nm process at a faster pace than their 45nm process.

[informal]

Well we can see that in order to get pass the 4.2Ghz mark you have to bump up the vcore. By doing that power draw goes thru the roof. This is the sad state of current GloFo's 32nm node. Supposedly things are going to improve in a few months.
Good thing about BD is that there is a solid room for improvement on all fronts: IPC,clock/power, adding cores is rather straightforward with module concept-by adding 1 module to 4M chip you increase performance by 25% in parallel workloads. Piledriver improves IPC somewhat, clock/power issues are fixable by GloFo(or so we are told) and adding more modules is a given(at least for server segment where we have 10C/5M Sepang and 20C/10M Terramar ).

[Chrono Detector]

I can imagine how much power this CPU will suck if it has a high stock speed of like 3.8 or 3.9 Ghz, unless if AMD made a new stepping for this CPU and reduced the power load but overall I wouldn't even touch this CPU at all.

[charged3800z24]

I should get me a watt meter and see what happens on my chip. I can do 4.4ghz stock v's with stock cooler and bench and do anything else, even ran WCG for a half day. Temps were through the roof though. I am curious how much more power the chip draws with just clock increase...

Gomeler
I agree, Intel's 32nm line is looking loads better than Glo-Fo. I wonder if they can get the process ironed out, how much it would improve FX's positioning.

Great comments everyone!

[FlanK3r]

maybe next problem could be, not only 32nm is for GF(AMD) new, but BD is new. Intel tetsing new architectures at older process and after refresh going with lower process.

[64NOMIS]

We could get off our behinds and look at CPU Power| CPU Freq | Temp and do a little math. Hey we could even crowd source it if people would just spring for kill-a-watts. Use TDP as a proxy for Cinebench @ stock frequency; subtract out total power @ wall and that gives you your non-CPU power perhaps. I'm curious how SB-E fares as well. What is the peak power/Cinebench for SB-E (e.g. SB-E @ 5.2GHz @ -30c which seems to be near tops)?

[charged3800z24]

We could get off our behinds and look at CPU Power| CPU Freq | Temp and do a little math. Hey we could even crowd source it if people would just spring for kill-a-watts. Use TDP as a proxy for Cinebench @ stock frequency; subtract out total power @ wall and that gives you your non-CPU power perhaps. I'm curious how SB-E fares as well. What is the peak power/Cinebench for SB-E (e.g. SB-E @ 5.2GHz @ -30c which seems to be near tops)?

The Prodigal son returns....

Where have you been hiding Simon? Been missing you around here. I am looking at getting a tester as I have a lot of curioustity anyways.

[demonkevy666]

i read that sandybridge-E has die size of 435mm.
also that it's highest TDP is 150 watts.

[64NOMIS]

The Prodigal son returns....

Where have you been hiding Simon? Been missing you around here. I am looking at getting a tester as I have a lot of curioustity anyways.

Embracing the Darkness. As you may know, previous path was terminated. New paths, dark paths await.

[informal]

Embracing the Darkness. As you may know, previous path was terminated. New paths, dark paths await.

Are you headed intel's way? Too bad AMD made such a poor choices in recent past. I hope they know what they are doing.