Intel Haswell, Shark Bay platform, Quad-Core, 22nm, LGA1150 - Chiphell

[bamtan2]

this is a very important and wonderful slide: http://tof.canardpc.com/view/35202c4...fa3583095a.jpg

they've got an architecture that has an OPTIONAL I/O chip. so they're trimming extra power off the architecture by making a derivative of the CPU which is maximally independent. wonderful. it will be nearly the power of a current atom architecture, but with big performance and graphics. lovely transition for laptops coming.

[freeloader]

they could reuse sockets longer. please don't try to re-rationalize something that is obvious. intel has always been the leader and they can do whatever they want. there is no law against being an and obsoleting your products. normally competition allows you to switch, voting with your money, but intel has no good competition.

If anyone is unhappy about the socket switch, then don't buy their products. Totally agree with you.

[zanzabar]

This better hit 6Ghz stable on air with 22nm + intergrated VRs.

how would an onboard pwm be good for enthusiasts, intel cannot put a good one on its server boards so i dont see how an integrated one will be any good for overclocking. im sure it will help laptops and OEMs but not the enthusiast.

[M.Beier]

this is a very important and wonderful slide: http://tof.canardpc.com/view/35202c4...fa3583095a.jpg

they've got an architecture that has an OPTIONAL I/O chip. so they're trimming extra power off the architecture by making a derivative of the CPU which is maximally independent. wonderful. it will be nearly the power of a current atom architecture, but with big performance and graphics. lovely transition for laptops coming.

Exactly what makes this product perfect...
Consumption of ATOM, power of SNB/IVB... Building a NAS/Firewall/Router into one computer, will be PLENTY easy, even for network with 50 ppl+... & at very low power consumption...
It will finally realize the digital home... And from the slides, the Intel technology that they didnt really want to launch (Thunderbolt) seems to hit the market, and not just be an expression of what wont happen in real life...
*USB competetion, yeah right, we all have thunderbolt dongles, HDD's etc.... Bullshift... They didnt do jack of it except sleep with Apple...

[Hornet331]

Well its was speced by apple.. its bound to fail...

[Andrew LB]

I still haven't found any reason to upgrade from my i7-920 @ 4GHz.

Yep. I'm quite happy with my i7-860@4ghz w/16gb ram.

I may pull the trigger when Ivy Bridge hits the market because these newer chips are great for encoding. Lets see how Ivy Bridge performs first though.

[mrkram]

Yep. I'm quite happy with my i7-860@4ghz w/16gb ram.

I may pull the trigger when Ivy Bridge hits the market because these newer chips are great for encoding. Lets see how Ivy Bridge performs first though.

I am really happy with my i5-750 @4ghz as well. I really don't see a reason to upgrade until 22nm eight core CPU's are a realistic solution. Should only be about 2 more years.

[rogueagent6]

Lets see how Ivy Bridge performs first though.

Yeah, that's what I'm waiting for. However I'm more interested in seeing how the mobile variants perform. Looking at picking up a decent laptop when I get my tax return.

I really don't see a reason to upgrade until 22nm eight core CPU's are a realistic solution. Should only be about 2 more years.

I toyed with picking up a Gulftown, but could never justify the price. I did pick up an AMD 1090T to play with, but even at 4GHz it couldn't compare to the snappiness of my i7-920 at the same speed.

[Particle]

I wouldn't care if they changed sockets twice a year. When I upgrade, I get a new motherboard regardless. If they need to break pin compatibility to fit new features, that's just one of the casualties of progress. I gladly accept that.

[mattkosem]

I wouldn't care if they changed sockets twice a year. When I upgrade, I get a new motherboard regardless. If they need to break pin compatibility to fit new features, that's just one of the casualties of progress. I gladly accept that.

Likewise. I would never get a new CPU and stick with a crummy older board. Quite to the contrary, I generally end up getting multiple boards for a given cpu.

--Matt

[cmanser]

Alwasy fun to look into the future. Hope they rock.

[sniper_sung]

Lawyers from Intel has formally written a letter to Chiphell to request removal of the thread leaking these details.

[gumballguy]

I wouldn't care if they changed sockets twice a year. When I upgrade, I get a new motherboard regardless. If they need to break pin compatibility to fit new features, that's just one of the casualties of progress. I gladly accept that.

I'm on a slow upgrade cycle... everything I do is GPU limited, so I couldn't care less.

All I really need on a motherboard? USB3. I'd stick with an old mobo, but I just don't need to change my cpu. Its never holding me back.

I can see cpu bound users might be annoyed.. but they tend to be pretty cashed up and willing to spend $$$ for development, crunching, or whatever it is kids do these days

[sin0822]

how would an onboard pwm be good for enthusiasts, intel cannot put a good one on its server boards so i dont see how an integrated one will be any good for overclocking. im sure it will help laptops and OEMs but not the enthusiast.

Its not integrated. The PWM chip is still on the board, so is the VRM. Currently on boards there are 3 major VRMs that power the CPU, each one provides a different output voltage, in the case of current CPUs, its VCCIO(Vcore)(This is usually 8,16,12,24 phases). VCCIO(or QPI'/VTT voltage, usually 1-2 phases), and then VCCSA(System Agent voltage, 1-2 phases).

Now with this instead of having 16+2+2 youll just have something like 16, and the CPU will reduce that vcore into the other voltages needed.

[UltraNEO*]

Maybe my recent opinion is tainted by s1156 and s1155. One pin difference? Everything about the socket says "ha ha, f***ed you over, buy more hardware" Now we get 1150 as well. 2015 relase: s1147.

Yeah and Intel recently learnt a new strategy, instead of making sockets with completely random numbers that no-body remembers!
They'll follow the year, for 2011 they'll release LGA 2011... what happens if there's a delay?

[[XC] Synthetickiller]

I'm confused. So there's no 22nm drop in for 1155?

[slaveondope]

I'm confused. So there's no 22nm drop in for 1155?

1155 will get the tock (SB die shrink). Haswell is the tick (new arch)

[god_43]

isn't amd supposed to deploy 22nm sometime late next year? seems as if the gap with intel may finally be narrowed down to 4-6 months? haswell is supposed to be cmt based correct? i really hope amd can get things settled with piledriver.

[Olivon]

isn't amd supposed to deploy 22nm sometime late next year? seems as if the gap with intel may finally be narrowed down to 4-6 months? haswell is supposed to be cmt based correct? i really hope amd can get things settled with piledriver.

As it stands today, Intel is roughly 18 months ahead of IBM, Global Foundries, TSMC and Samsung on their process technology. Intel began shipping 32nm parts in late 2009, while AMD started shipping 32nm parts from Global Foundries in April, 2011.

The most likely scenario for 22nm is that Intel begins shipping at the end of 2011 or early 2012 and the foundries follow with 20nm products in 2013. Intel will have a ~18 month window with a twofold manufacturing edge over their competitors.

http://realworldtech.com/page.cfm?Ar...0511195446&p=2

[Particle]

Yeah and Intel recently learnt a new strategy, instead of making sockets with completely random numbers that no-body remembers!
They'll follow the year, for 2011 they'll release LGA 2011... what happens if there's a delay?

Sockets are named two ways. There's usually a letter designation and a number designation. The number designations have been more popularly used for Intel products around the time Socket 7 was replaced by Socket 370 and later 478. I'm not sure if either of them had letter designations, but sockets after that did. The ubiquitous LGA 775 is also called Socket T, LGA 1366 is Socket B, and LGA 1156 is Socket H for example. The numbers aren't random or named for years (in the case of LGA 2011). They're named for the number of contacts in the socket (plus or minus a few that are sometimes used for keying on PGA products).

It also occurs to me that you might have just been joking, but it's hard to tell with inflectionless text on the Internet.

[soya_crack]

the worst thing is that we are still stuck with quad cores in mainstream... sad that there is no competition

[informal]

the worst thing is that we are still stuck with quad cores in mainstream... sad that there is no competition

You need six+ cores in "mainstream" desktop market? Are you joking? What are the 3 or 4 out of 6 going to do 99% of the time,sit idle and waste die area?
Intel is not stupid and they know what to position at certain market segments. When a large chunk of commercial software used in desktop segment reaches the point that it will be able to utilize 4+ cores, intel will offer more than QC in mainstream segment. Until then it's pointless.

[mrcape]

The more options the better.

[soya_crack]

You need six+ cores in "mainstream" desktop market? Are you joking? What are the 3 or 4 out of 6 going to do 99% of the time,sit idle and waste die area?
Intel is not stupid and they know what to position at certain market segments. When a large chunk of commercial software used in desktop segment reaches the point that it will be able to utilize 4+ cores, intel will offer more than QC in mainstream segment. Until then it's pointless.

yeap, it is called advance.

[3NZ0]

You need six+ cores in "mainstream" desktop market? Are you joking? What are the 3 or 4 out of 6 going to do 99% of the time,sit idle and waste die area?
Intel is not stupid and they know what to position at certain market segments. When a large chunk of commercial software used in desktop segment reaches the point that it will be able to utilize 4+ cores, intel will offer more than QC in mainstream segment. Until then it's pointless.

Generally, you have to build it before it can be used. I'll refrain from using a car analogy but you could probably guess it.