AMD "Piledriver" refresh of Zambezi - info, speculations, test, fans

[haylui]

2014 is far but if AMD is staying in the same socket then they will have to get creative to achieve substantial performance gain.

source: http://vr-zone.com/articles/how-amd-...013/17105.html

the editor is good at giving idea but certainly doesn't have the in-depth knowledge in microprocessor design?
not every idea could be done and practical.

[radier]

http://www.obr-hardware.com/2012/09/...iver-last.html

[tbone8ty]

I hope they don't price this higher than the 2600k!

I'm guessing $249 hopefully cheaper will be its saving grace

It's only savior will be power effeciency

To little to late IMO I think alot of people won't even bother

[Monkeywoman]

based on OBR price expectation of around 200 USD, I will likely get an 8350 to max out my platform...and a second 5870!

[radier]

BD really sux at CFX/SLi.

[tbone8ty]

hmm so this still the ES sample "OR-CO" clocked to 4.0ghz/4.2ghz turbo.

i get about ~6.52 in CB11.5 with my FX-8120 clocked to 4ghz

[FlanK3r]

BD really sux at CFX/SLi.

dont use it...my priority is rendering, video encoding....Still suxx?

[dartaz]

If you look at AMD history, the price of the fastest CPU at launch was around $270-$280

Let hope that FX-8350 is not sold at that price, otherwise it will be overpriced compared to ivy bridge

[Monkeywoman]

dont use it...my priority is rendering, video encoding....Still suxx?

ive been going hard the past yer mining bitcoins. the output of my card even at stock clocks is higher than a current 7970. a second card will double my out put. my current card will be lowered to 1gig but its a hit im willing to take.

ive never used my thuban for mining as the os gets bogged down and output is very low.

[haylui]

can anyone care to compare Trinity Apu in cinebench r11.5 with the Vishera result?

[Oese]

It's 5-7% IPC and some clocks, it was knewn before by the coolaler tests, now "confirmed" "for FlanK3r" xD funny.

Interesting will be improvement in power consumption.

Its a step forward in my eyes.. Not too bad, a tweaked Bulldozer. I will get one

[demonkevy666]

For those who missed ... 1T test with same freq. :





Almost 15% better, very good !

remove gpu

Then we add L3 cache get Less performance ? O.o

It's 5-7% IPC and some clocks, it was knewn before by the coolaler tests, now "confirmed" "for FlanK3r" xD funny.

Interesting will be improvement in power consumption.

Its a step forward in my eyes.. Not too bad, a tweaked Bulldozer. I will get one

this does not add up in my eyes.

[sequoia464]

Kind of off subject of Piledriver here, but two questions about steamroller in case anyone might know;

1. Is it going to be released as an AM3+ ??
2. Is it still scheduled for release in the 1st half of 2013

[informal]

1.No.
2.No.

[tbone8ty]

First steamroller will be with Kaveri which will be mobile and desktop probably on FM2 socket

[G.Foyle]

2014 is far but if AMD is staying in the same socket then they will have to get creative to achieve substantial performance gain.

source: http://vr-zone.com/articles/how-amd-...013/17105.html

Additional memory die on CPU package is almost a given, at least in APUs. But I don't get what eDRAM has to do with that

[demonkevy666]

That is not a Vishera.
It is just the Bulldozer C0 spin.

So does trinity use full Pile-driver cores then or not ?

[tbone8ty]

this eng sample seems to be the village bicycle everybody is taking her for a ride

[G.Foyle]

So does trinity use full Pile-driver cores then or not ?

Yes, check it's instruction set. Piledriver has FMA3, Bulldozer doesn't.

[The Stilt]

So does trinity use full Pile-driver cores then or not ?

The execution cores are not different compared to desktop-segment FX-models.
The CNB part of the UNB is pretty much identical between the two (Trinity lacking the L3 of course), however on Trinity it is highly optimized for power consumption and therefore much more complicated. The GNB part is a whole another story

UNB = Unified Northbridge == (CNB = Core Northbridge, GNB = Graphics Northbridge)

[FlanK3r]

Still, I want both...Trinity A10 and FX-8350 Vishera. I like multi performance of Vishera. Its not bad step, because we will have +400 MHz gain with the same TDP at the same process technology. And this is not bad. ANd performance? Clock for clokck is a little jump, but always in architecture refresh is little improvement. Look at Ivy Bridge and Sandy Bridge. Its refresh and with smaller technology, still with the manual settings clocks are difference very small at the same clock (3-4%). The same is example Phenom vs Phenom II (but there was lower technology and added bigger L3 etc, but with the same clocks was not big diferenes in performance), or will be Steamroller to Excavator or Nehalem vs Westmere.

[demonkevy666]

Still, I want both...Trinity A10 and FX-8350 Vishera. I like multi performance of Vishera. Its not bad step, because we will have +400 MHz gain with the same TDP at the same process technology. And this is not bad. ANd performance? Clock for clokck is a little jump, but always in architecture refresh is little improvement. Look at Ivy Bridge and Sandy Bridge. Its refresh and with smaller technology, still with the manual settings clocks are difference very small at the same clock (3-4%). The same is example Phenom vs Phenom II (but there was lower technology and added bigger L3 etc, but with the same clocks was not big diferenes in performance), or will be Steamroller to Excavator or Nehalem vs Westmere.

Why buy This RevC0 FX it's just a new revision of Zambezi core.

The first number does not change only the second number changed, that is a classic AMD stepping change

Phenom II 940 C2 now most chips now are phenom II 945 C3.
the 9 stayed.

FX Zambezi OR B2 = FX 8150
FX Zambezi OR-C0 = FX 8350.

the fact the 8 stayed is clearly a sign it's just a newer Revision. (IMO)

Two question arise after thinking this 1 is what happened to Revsion B3 and second will they really be skipping piledriver in Favor of Steamroller then ?

[haylui]

Why buy This RevC0 FX it's just a new revision of Zambezi core.

The first number does not change only the second number changed, that is a classic AMD stepping change

Phenom II 940 C2 now most chips now are phenom II 945 C3.
the 9 stayed.

FX Zambezi OR B2 = FX 8150
FX Zambezi OR-C0 = FX 8350.

the fact the 8 stayed is clearly a sign it's just a newer Revision. (IMO)

Two question arise after thinking this 1 is what happened to Revsion B3 and second will they really be skipping piledriver in Favor of Steamroller then ?

Phenom II X4 965BE and 955BE stayed the same even stepping had changed.

[demonkevy666]

Phenom II X4 965BE and 955BE stayed the same even stepping had changed.

lol I haven't bought a chip in a while I wouldn't really know.

only got a 1090T and Fx 8120 shows how little I buy. lol

[Oliverda]

Wrong

"Agena" DR-B2 = Phenom 9500
"Deneb" RB-C2 = Phenom II 940

"Zambezi" OR-B2 = FX-8150
"Vishera" OR-C0 = FX-8350

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