AMD "Piledriver" refresh of Zambezi - info, speculations, test, fans

[tbone8ty]

Yah but it's the best intel CPU? Why not?

[xdan]

The best Intel cpu it's i7 3960X. This have no IGP so we compare with what?
HD 4000 which was to compare with HD 7660D, it's in more cheaper cpu's than i7 3770k also.

Why not? We compare apples with oranges that's why.

[Mechanical Man]

Maybe they just did not have other intel cpu's at hand. Pretty pointless to start arguing about "omg they used this and that with same iGPU".

[xdan]

Then if this was, you do not say this in conclusion.

Legit Bottom Line: The AMD A10-5800K APU looks impressive in the game benchmarks and easily beat the Intel Core i7-3770K, which is a much more expensive processor!

In this way anybody on this forum can work as reviewer.

They should had say something , so Trinity APU it's much better in gaming performance than Intel HD 4000 graphics so, the new i3 3225 which also have HD 4000 included( but we don't have it to test) will have hard time with A10 5800K.

[informal]

I just think they had no other CPU with HD4000,not a conspiracy to make A10 "faster" than 3770K. Even AMD positions A10 as i3 competitor in terms of CPU performance . It may even compete with i5 in smaller number of workloads. But they never touted it as i7 competitor. What Legitreviews wrote was just a iGPU comment that some people misunderstood.

[Manicdan]

some people misunderstood.

it does say "game" in the sentence, its hard to misunderstand unless someone was trying to nit-pick every detail they can.

[sdlvx]

Really tired of these crappy reviews.

Price-wise, this is what A8-5800k should be competing against: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116774

A dual core with hyperthreading. Any review that compares products not in the same price range and suggests one is better than the other is a complete failure. I blame this on AMD marketing fail once again. They should have said that i3 3225 is A8-5800ks direct competitor and you should benchmark against that. It would have been in AMD's interest to even provide the i3 3225. The 2 module design is much stronger than a 2 core with hyperthreading and the iGPU is far stronger than HD 4000.

AMD's problem lately with CPUs isn't that they're bad, it's that review sites compare $140 AMDs to $200 Intels and say AMD sucks. AMD is targeting a specific market, no one is going to put a $200 CPU in their HTPC when the CPU isn't even that important there anyways. They're going to go with something smaller like the i3 3225.

[ReKcOlNu]

Sorry if old news already, haven't been here in awhile.
AMD sticks with Socket AM3+ for Steamroller

[Evantaur]

just give us the new socket already

[aGeoM]

They should have sad " the gaming performance of IGP"- because saying Intel Core i7-3770K, which is a much more expensive processor you can understand that if you buy a dedicated vga, 5800K it's better for gaming.
Also to put i7 3770k in this it's just something stupid.
To compare HD 4000 with Trinity you have the new IB i3 3225 with HD 4000 at 144$ even in Trinity 5800K target price.

We have Intel Core i3-3220T and Core i3-3225 processors on order for a better comparison in the weeks ahead!

The same source

XBit's preview did it with i3-3225 ( http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/gra...raphics_7.html )

To bring i7 3770k which it's another class cpu in that review was biased from the begining.

The people who buy i7 3770k, don't buy it for IGP performance , they buy it for cpu performance.

Why? The benchmarks in the review don't use also the cpu processing power of that particular processor?

As a budget PC build, Trinity/FM2 systems are stronger than any Intel alternative even if it uses one of the top CPUs. This is my opinion and I respect others opinions too.

[Yeroon]

I'm confused. AMD lifts the gpu side only NDA for trinity so the cpu results don't overshadow the gpu, but Toms has had cpu results for months now. What has changed? I know older docs said stuff along the lines of Trinity gets 1xh piledriver cores and vishera gets 2xh, then all the stuff happens with OBR and the AMD 5.0ghz showing the same stepping, and I'm not sure what to believe anymore. Desktop Trinity also got delayed long enough that they maybe got 2xh in there? My thought process was (if 1xh 2xh cores are true) they were going to release that with Trinity 2.0, again, older article and nothing has been said since.
Anyone got some info that will confuse me less?


Also, someone mentioned earlier that llano got sub 1000 scores in 3dmark. No overclock, I got to 1146 score. I'm sure I'm not the only one to get over 1100 with a stock llano. I can't wait for a bios multi so I don't have to baseclock my ram to 2400.

Yeroon (waiting impatiently)

[god_43]

umm this is a bit off topic but i thought that steamroller fm2 socket and the vishera was the last cpu for am3+, but now ppl are saying the steamroller will also be am3+?

[tbone8ty]

waiting for overclocking....

5ghz cpu/1ghz+ gpu @ 2400mhz memory speeds on air cooling

fingers crossed!

[devguy]

If I had to guess, I'd say that Steamroller CPUs will be like AM3 processors, in that they'll have a DDR3 and a DDR4 memory controller inside. AMD would be foolish to release a new socket for Steamroller, only to have to replace it quickly afterwards with another one to accommodate DDR4.

Anyone who went through the incredibly short lived S939 will know what I'm talking about. From my perspective, they should have either focused on AM2 and skipped S939, or have put a DDR1 and a DDR2 controller in AM2 CPUs.

[tbone8ty]

well with the fm1's short life and amd promising fm2 life to be longer, i have a feeling they will do the same for am3+

i guess it all depends on how the server side is progressing

[FlanK3r]

I heard OC is a bit worse than classic FX, because power for CPU is only from "few pins" and others is for for iGPU part of APU.

[SUPERKAMES]

Ok , I used Maxforces' file to test :

As first I could say that the rendering times are not always the same with this file/renderer , I tried ~ 5 times at the frequency 4.5ghz .

• Lowest ~ 2'21"
• Highest ~ 2'35"

So I decided to test in both 800*600 & 1200*900 resolution so that someone who need/want can compare with higher res :

Default:



@4.5ghz:




And I also render the file cpu.c4d in cinebench R11.5 roof folder :



Hope you like it .Goodbye everyone.

[Oese]

its about 10% faster then bulli and bit faster then sb c4c

[Miwo]

Gaming benches using Discrete Graphics
A10-5800k Trinity (4.2GHz Turbo) vs i5-3470 (3.6GHz Turbo)
http://vr-zone.com/articles/amd-trin...e/17272-1.html

[Stukov]

Seems to do alright in some games, then there was those few games were its was like...what the hell just happened? Interesting how Vishera might shape up.

[BeepBeep2]

I find it interesting how much AMD is pushing their clock frequency of this design. Higher than BD, but it looks like clock margins are no higher.
It reminds me of A64 X2 days when they upped clock speed to the point where you could only realistically overclock 200 MHz.

4.2 GHz Turbo on chips that reach 4.4-4.6 OCed vs intel pushing out chips with mid-upper 3 GHz turbo and CPUs that also do 4.6+ OCed (Of course, not on locked chips, but there is potential).

I feel like they pushed clocks too much on FX-8150 for what it was, many CPUs having instability at stock with vdroop / what should be mild OC.

[SUPERKAMES]

AMD A10-5800K & A8-5600K Review:

1. http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu..._10.html#sect0
2. http://www.anandtech.com/show/6347/a...sktop-part-2/5
3. http://www.bjorn3d.com/2012/10/amd-v.../#.UGqToy_zo_k
4. http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages...ew_apu,15.html
5. http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/46...ty-apu/?page=7
6. http://hothardware.com/Reviews/AMD-A...rmance/?page=7
7. http://www.legitreviews.com/article/2047/18/
8. http://www.pureoverclock.com/Review-...-5800k-review/
9. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...ency,3315.html
10. .................

[Alex-Ro]

Where are the s-ata rezults of A85X?

[largon]

^Storage controller performance shouldn't be affected much vs. A75 since A85 is the same chip just with all the SATA ports enabled and what not.

[sequoia464]

^Storage controller performance shouldn't be affected much vs. A75 since A85 is the same chip just with all the SATA ports enabled and what not.

Does that mean they are on par with a 950 chipset?? Better - worse??