Asrock bashes Asus and Gigabyte over PCI-e 3.0

[Micutzu]

Slide from the Asrock presentation, it pretty much says it all. Asrock PCI-e 3.0 motherboards should have availability very soon, they are the first with PCI-e 3.0 on the market even if there are no PCI-e 3.0 cards out yet.



From lab501

[xBanzai89]

Funny. I though Asrock was owned in someway by ASUS.

[Particle]

They are. ASUS is their parent company.

[andos]

They separated from ASUS some time last year or the year before.

[Bojamijams]

Huh... so teenagers are working for ASRock marketing department now?

Thanks.. I'll buy my stuff from a more grown up company.

[BeepBeep2]

Funny. I though Asrock was owned in someway by ASUS.

They are. ASUS is their parent company.

Since 2007-2008 when Pegatron and ASUS seperated, ASRock also broke away from ASUS...they are no longer related whatsoever...

[SKYMTL]

I really hope this doesn't devlove into a pissing contest where even more manufacturers will jump onto the non-native PCI-E 3.0 support train.

At this point and for the forseeable future, PCI-E 3.0 "support" is nothing more than junk marketing.

[massman]

Reminds me of USB3 marketing. Or should I say "true USB3".

[gatecrasherlok]

Hmm what have Asrock got to shout about pci-e 3.0 interface and nothing to actually put into it oh and how could I forget Fatality whoopee.

[SubZero.it]

Reminds me of USB3 marketing. Or should I say "true USB3".

But this time they have a real feature in their hands while the other two companies haven't got.

Huh... so teenagers are working for ASRock marketing department now?

Thanks.. I'll buy my stuff from a more grown up company.

Actually I would say that ASRock gives you some nice boards with everything at its right place at a balanced price...so I don't know what is the "grown" about.

@gatecrasherlok: for someone that buys a board in the next weeks is perfect, you just need a new CPU next year to get a performance upgrade

[sin0822]

No offense Asrock but I have a G1. Sniper 2 that has PCI-E 3.0 and its sitting right here. I was told available by end of month. I tried it out today http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=1936659

[SKYMTL]

Maybe someone can explain where all of this extra bandwidth is coming from?

The Sandy Bridge CPU itself has the lanes necessary for a PCI-E 2.0 x16 link @ 16GB/s. The PCI-E 3.0 x16 link on the other hand delivers over 30GB/s of bandwidth. Are ASRock and Gigabyte just conjuring this out of thin air?

Currently, I am not aware of any PCI-E 3.0 certified bridge chips so you can forget about official PCI-SIG certification if either company goes that way. And without official certification, I'd never, ever buy a product since none of the failsafe checks are guaranteed to be included.

[SubZero.it]

No offense Asrock but I have a G1. Sniper 2 that has PCI-E 3.0 and its sitting right here. I was told available by end of month. I tried it out today http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=1936659

Still with the ugly heatsink?Just a question...it would look nicer with an heatsink like the X58A-OC but in a smaller version

[generics_user]

Maybe someone can explain where all of this extra bandwidth is coming from?

The Sandy Bridge CPU itself has the lanes necessary for a PCI-E 2.0 x16 link @ 16GB/s. The PCI-E 3.0 x16 link on the other hand delivers over 30GB/s of bandwidth. Are ASRock and Gigabyte just conjuring this out of thin air?

Currently, I am not aware of any PCI-E 3.0 certified bridge chips so you can forget about official PCI-SIG certification if either company goes that way. And without official certification, I'd never, ever buy a product since none of the failsafe checks are guaranteed to be included.

it's explained in their slide - pcie gen 3.0 is going to be supported by Ivy Bridge CPUs - Using a Sandy Bridge CPU decreases link speed to pcie 2.0 so this stuff is 100% marketing right now

[bamtan2]

Maybe someone can explain where all of this extra bandwidth is coming from?

I think asrock has enough info from intel to make ivy bridge-compatible boards

this is like the AM3+ motherboards happening before AM3+ chips. the chip guys and the board guys are just in communication all the time

[SoF]

As(s)Rock screwing it up again - after a total fail presentation of OC during this years cebit with "wannabe oc'er" failtality they are now bringing up such shi(f)t - wonder how long it will last for them to dissappear from the market...

€: but just make sure your pci-e 3.0 slots are golden like your 1155-failboard....lol

[Cooper]

Maybe someone can explain where all of this extra bandwidth is coming from?

The Sandy Bridge CPU itself has the lanes necessary for a PCI-E 2.0 x16 link @ 16GB/s. The PCI-E 3.0 x16 link on the other hand delivers over 30GB/s of bandwidth. Are ASRock and Gigabyte just conjuring this out of thin air?

Currently, I am not aware of any PCI-E 3.0 certified bridge chips so you can forget about official PCI-SIG certification if either company goes that way. And without official certification, I'd never, ever buy a product since none of the failsafe checks are guaranteed to be included.

Maybe it's all really up to signal engines rather then physical wiring capability of handling higher bandwidth ?

[sin0822]

SKYMTL you forgot to add MSI to the list, as asrock and MSI really are pushing this, GB is just adding it silently, you don't see any GB press releases like asrock and MSI, just check out TPU lol.

[lowfat]

No offense Asrock but I have a G1. Sniper 2 that has PCI-E 3.0 and its sitting right here. I was told available by end of month. I tried it out today http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=1936659

Wanted this board badly when it was rumoured to be released. Took way too long to come to reality though.

[naokaji]

Maybe someone can explain where all of this extra bandwidth is coming from?

What AsRock claims when looking at slide a bit closer is that the PCI-E 3.0 Slots of Asus and Gigabyte boards will only run at the speeds of PCI-E 2.0 even with Ivy Bridge Cpus.

So its nothing more than a pissing contest about what potential pitfalls there may be for other manufacturers by then old products in the future.

[Scubar]

Even if they did have PCI-E 3.0, Who the hell would buy an Asrock board over an Asus or Gigabyte. I sure as hell wouldnt.

The only thing Asrock ever did that was good was those motherboards a couple years back that provided compatability for DDR2 and DDR3 i think or something to that effect.

[sin0822]

What AsRock claims when looking at slide a bit closer is that the PCI-E 3.0 Slots of Asus and Gigabyte boards will only run at the speeds of PCI-E 2.0 even with Ivy Bridge Cpus.

So its nothing more than a pissing contest about what potential pitfalls there may be for other manufacturers by then old products in the future.

but they are wrong I think , i checked the MUX its a PCI-E 3.0 switch. For instance this site shows you which switch is used for PCi-E 3.0:
http://tech.163.com/digi/11/0729/15/...0162OUT_5.html

GB is using that exact PCI-E 3.0 switch(P13PCIE) and that gives PCI-E 3.0 on every port, so Asrock's last port is PCI-E 2.0.

I do agree PCI-E 3.0 is no reason to buy a motherboard.

[Mungri]

I'd never want an Asrock board over Asus, Gigabyte or MSI.

I wouldnt want any other brand either. The Fatality branding and that gamer guy are just purely annying too.

'ZOMG, lookie here, we gots a dedicated USB output for ze mouse!' Erm, so what? My keyboard has two gold plated USB connectors that go into the PC, and my mouse plugs into the keyboard and it works perfectly, what is so different about having a dedicated USB port just for the mouse???

Maybe the fatality guy gets some kind of self confidence boost that he can frag all the noobs 0.00001% faster or something with his special mouse port. In reality its like a hardware placebo effect.

[chew*]

I'd never want an Asrock board over Asus, Gigabyte or MSI.

'ZOMG, lookie here, we gots a dedicated USB output for ze mouse!' Erm, so what? My keyboard has two gold plated USB connectors that go into the PC, and my mouse plugs into the keyboard and it works perfectly, what is so different about having a dedicated USB port just for the mouse???

Maybe the fatality guy gets some kind of self confidence boost that he can frag all the noobs 0.00001% faster or something with his special mouse port. In reality its like a hardware placebo effect.

Actually USB 3.0 which mainboards are swapping to even for mouse/keyboard peripherals does not support some certain things.

What the ASrock is doing is a hardware "mouserate" control, which any real gamer knows the benefits that be had from tuning your mouserate. This however can be done in software as well with some easy hax, Asrock is removing that need to hack.

No mouserate is not some placebo effect. Ask any hardcore serious gamer.

[sin0822]

yea DPI settings right for the mouse?