I don't put much weight on process node, really. As long as performance is there, and power consumption is ok, who cares really? Process node is only 1% of the whole picture.
I don't put much weight on process node, really. As long as performance is there, and power consumption is ok, who cares really? Process node is only 1% of the whole picture.
Last edited by Sparky; 07-26-2011 at 01:49 PM.
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on that note,
if next gen BD integrated next gen GPU could really be a revolution even if on a bigger precess than rivals, I suppose all that's left to see is how bd performs and then we can draw up some conclusions
IF I think about it Komodo should be released not so long after IB and if I am not mistaken IB will be released at the start of 2Q.
DHB got slide that stated october release, like what one britain site hinted.
http://www.donanimhaber.com/islemci/...e-edilecek.htm
Dave you rebel youOriginally Posted by Daveburt714
Seriously man, you realize your in the AMD section right?
You can't judge BD's preformance from a bunch of rumors...
I'm risking getting banned again here, but maybe you should go back to the Intel section.
I see your point though. This is tipical for near launch AMD CPU's. I don' t spend a lot of time in the Intel section, but don't recall the kinda of havok the AMD section gets on new product launches.
BTW, with the way Glo Fo is moving I can see the process gap shrinking very soon. And like mentioned above, process node is not the huge picture. AMD has been competing pretty well being a node behind in the segment they are in.
~1~
AMD Ryzen 9 3900X
GigaByte X570 AORUS LITE
Trident-Z 3200 CL14 16GB
AMD Radeon VII
~2~
AMD Ryzen ThreadRipper 2950x
Asus Prime X399-A
GSkill Flare-X 3200mhz, CAS14, 64GB
AMD RX 5700 XT
For example, Phenom II (refined AM3 version) is very competetive with 45nm wolfdale...Dave you rebel you
I see your point though. This is tipical for near launch AMD CPU's. I don' t spend a lot of time in the Intel section, but don't recall the kinda of havok the AMD section gets on new product launches.
BTW, with the way Glo Fo is moving I can see the process gap shrinking very soon. And like mentioned above, process node is not the huge picture. AMD has been competing pretty well being a node behind in the segment they are in.
I expect AMD to at least match Bloomfield CPC this time around, and if they can do that + release chips that run high clocks 4.5-5 Ghz OC they will have a great chip to compete with. (Something Bloomfield didnt do, think Sandy Bridge @ 4.4 with 8 cores type feel) The price is what matters, though.
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if they are giving us 4.x ghz turbo, i hope we see 5ghz easy on water 24/7
and if theres no cold bug, im scared to see what some LN2 will do
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GTX 680 @ +170 (1267mhz) / +300 (3305mhz) - EK 680 FC EN/Acteal
Swiftech MCR320 Drive @ 1300rpms - 3x GT 1850s @ 1150rpms
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switching platform on september 19th going bk to AMD going to give a FX-8150 a try from my current set up!
Last edited by bro20000; 07-27-2011 at 11:36 AM.
8170 is part of a refresh to the lineup, it isn't in the initial launch. Unless of course AMD pulls another switch like they did with the 1075T/1090T.
Any more flamebait keiths and you'll be removed from this section.
For me it's right after my birthdayRight before my birthday, excellent.
But it will make the perfect 1-day-later b-day present for me. Gonna go straight for the powerhouse - FX-8150.
Hope the release date sticks(although i wouldn't mind a day earlier..)
FX 8370 * Chrosshair V Formula Z * 16GB Kingston 1866 * Sapphire Fury * Samsung 850 Pro * WD Raptor 74Gb * Seagate 2TB * Seagate 1TB * Corsair 1200i * Corsair 800D
EK Supremacy EVO * EK-FB Crosshair V * EK Coolstream XE 480 + XE 120 * D5 * EK F4-120 * Lamptron FC5 * Masterkleer tubing * EK coolant
Don't hesitate, I have no need to converse with those who think what was written was flamebait, but what I ask is this subforum not show up on what's new.
That's enough, keiths.
Can't wait for this to come out OMG. My E8400 is like a brontosaurus and is begging to be put into retirement. Will definitely wait and see some results before I dive in though.
@Vapor, do you happen to know what episode/season of Futurama that Bender gif is from?
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Intel Core2Duo E8400 || PowerColor HD 5450 || Gigabyte P35-DS3L || 4GB DDR2 G.SKILL || Enermax 431W
Roughly 7 weeks to go.
As quoted by LowRun......"So, we are one week past AMD's worst case scenario for BD's availability but they don't feel like communicating about the delay, I suppose AMD must be removed from the reliable sources list for AMD's products launch dates"
I had a chance to upgrade/sidegrade my Intel rig and made it into a secondary system. My AMD system should be ready to go for Bulldozer. I just need to get a good cooler that will handle it. I was thinking of getting a COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus and using it on my Phenom II in the meantime. Anybody know if this will have any problems cooling these chips or should I wait for coolers that have been verified to be able to handle it?
Intel i5 3570k || Sapphire HD 7870 OC CrossFireX || Asrock Z77 Extreme4 || 8GB DDR3 G.SKILL || Seasonic X750
Intel Core2Duo E8400 || PowerColor HD 5450 || Gigabyte P35-DS3L || 4GB DDR2 G.SKILL || Enermax 431W
The 212 doesn't rate very high on the list. It's respectable, but there are better options. There aren't any specific things we'll have to worry about with Bulldozer core CPUs. They dump heat into the same heat spreader we've all come to know and love. The bigger and more efficient the heatsink, the better it'll be at removing higher heatloads produced under overclocked and overvolted conditions.
http://www.frostytech.com/articlevie...id=2572&page=4
Particle's First Rule of Online Technical Discussion:
As a thread about any computer related subject has its length approach infinity, the likelihood and inevitability of a poorly constructed AMD vs. Intel fight also exponentially increases.
Rule 1A:
Likewise, the frequency of a car pseudoanalogy to explain a technical concept increases with thread length. This will make many people chuckle, as computer people are rarely knowledgeable about vehicular mechanics.
Rule 2:
When confronted with a post that is contrary to what a poster likes, believes, or most often wants to be correct, the poster will pick out only minor details that are largely irrelevant in an attempt to shut out the conflicting idea. The core of the post will be left alone since it isn't easy to contradict what the person is actually saying.
Rule 2A:
When a poster cannot properly refute a post they do not like (as described above), the poster will most likely invent fictitious counter-points and/or begin to attack the other's credibility in feeble ways that are dramatic but irrelevant. Do not underestimate this tactic, as in the online world this will sway many observers. Do not forget: Correctness is decided only by what is said last, the most loudly, or with greatest repetition.
Rule 3:
When it comes to computer news, 70% of Internet rumors are outright fabricated, 20% are inaccurate enough to simply be discarded, and about 10% are based in reality. Grains of salt--become familiar with them.
Remember: When debating online, everyone else is ALWAYS wrong if they do not agree with you!
Random Tip o' the Whatever
You just can't win. If your product offers feature A instead of B, people will moan how A is stupid and it didn't offer B. If your product offers B instead of A, they'll likewise complain and rant about how anyone's retarded cousin could figure out A is what the market wants.
But the CM Hyper 212+ does very well in the price/performance value. In Norway its 1/2-1/3 the price of the top dogs, yet its not really that far behind in cooling.
X2 555 @ B55 @ 4050 1.4v, NB @ 2700 1.35v Fuzion V1
Gigabyte 890gpa-ud3h v2.1
HD6950 2GB swiftech MCW60 @ 1000mhz, 1.168v 1515mhz memory
Corsair Vengeance 2x4GB 1866 cas 9 @ 1800 8.9.8.27.41 1T 110ns 1.605v
C300 64GB, 2X Seagate barracuda green LP 2TB, Essence STX, Zalman ZM750-HP
DDC 3.2/petras, PA120.3 ek-res400, Stackers STC-01,
Dell U2412m, G110, G9x, Razer Scarab
Oh my god, people should be given a week's ban for referencing frostytech. They are WRONG.
By the way, a Mach2 GT holding -50c at 125w heatload? No. No. No. A thermaltake Frio does not beat an NH-D14 either.
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You're welcome to your opinion I guess, but I trust FT's heatsink reviews more than anyone else's currently. It's in the same way that I trust JonnyGuru to review power supplies.
As a thread about any computer related subject has its length approach infinity, the likelihood and inevitability of a poorly constructed AMD vs. Intel fight also exponentially increases.
Likewise, the frequency of a car pseudoanalogy to explain a technical concept increases with thread length. This will make many people chuckle, as computer people are rarely knowledgeable about vehicular mechanics.
When confronted with a post that is contrary to what a poster likes, believes, or most often wants to be correct, the poster will pick out only minor details that are largely irrelevant in an attempt to shut out the conflicting idea. The core of the post will be left alone since it isn't easy to contradict what the person is actually saying.
When a poster cannot properly refute a post they do not like (as described above), the poster will most likely invent fictitious counter-points and/or begin to attack the other's credibility in feeble ways that are dramatic but irrelevant. Do not underestimate this tactic, as in the online world this will sway many observers. Do not forget: Correctness is decided only by what is said last, the most loudly, or with greatest repetition.
When it comes to computer news, 70% of Internet rumors are outright fabricated, 20% are inaccurate enough to simply be discarded, and about 10% are based in reality. Grains of salt--become familiar with them.
Remember: When debating online, everyone else is ALWAYS wrong if they do not agree with you!
Random Tip o' the Whatever
You just can't win. If your product offers feature A instead of B, people will moan how A is stupid and it didn't offer B. If your product offers B instead of A, they'll likewise complain and rant about how anyone's retarded cousin could figure out A is what the market wants.
It's kind of like jonnyguru's reviews, without any of the accuracy. It'd be like if he used a kill-a-watt to measure efficiency and a $10 analog voltmeter to measure voltage changes. They review a lot of heatsinks, but most results are not indicative of real-world results. Some heatsinks listed are clearly worse than others yet perform better on their test plate. It's almost like they test heatsinks with whatever thermal paste comes in the package instead of using a consistent paste and/or mount pressure.
Last edited by BeepBeep2; 08-03-2011 at 09:34 AM.
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Thats just about right on evaporator temp. CPU's core temp. will be varies
It would be like that if they used bad equipment and had no consistent testing methodology, but they don't and they do.
As a thread about any computer related subject has its length approach infinity, the likelihood and inevitability of a poorly constructed AMD vs. Intel fight also exponentially increases.
Likewise, the frequency of a car pseudoanalogy to explain a technical concept increases with thread length. This will make many people chuckle, as computer people are rarely knowledgeable about vehicular mechanics.
When confronted with a post that is contrary to what a poster likes, believes, or most often wants to be correct, the poster will pick out only minor details that are largely irrelevant in an attempt to shut out the conflicting idea. The core of the post will be left alone since it isn't easy to contradict what the person is actually saying.
When a poster cannot properly refute a post they do not like (as described above), the poster will most likely invent fictitious counter-points and/or begin to attack the other's credibility in feeble ways that are dramatic but irrelevant. Do not underestimate this tactic, as in the online world this will sway many observers. Do not forget: Correctness is decided only by what is said last, the most loudly, or with greatest repetition.
When it comes to computer news, 70% of Internet rumors are outright fabricated, 20% are inaccurate enough to simply be discarded, and about 10% are based in reality. Grains of salt--become familiar with them.
Remember: When debating online, everyone else is ALWAYS wrong if they do not agree with you!
Random Tip o' the Whatever
You just can't win. If your product offers feature A instead of B, people will moan how A is stupid and it didn't offer B. If your product offers B instead of A, they'll likewise complain and rant about how anyone's retarded cousin could figure out A is what the market wants.
will the Super Talent 1600 9-9-9-25 1.5V work with any BD chip?
It's a good concept, however they show results that aren't logical. Xiggy SD964 beating H50? (I own one of those SD964's btw, and a core contact freezer...bought because I used to believe frostytech reviews) True 120 beating True 120 Extreme by 4 degrees at 125w?...
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