Alert - Anyone that is using the Koolance bleed kits take a look

[Utnorris]

So I use distilled water and PT-Nuke, nothing more, nothing less. I have all copper, no aluminum in my loop, at least that's what I thought. I will let the pics speak for themselves.





Now, if that is not rust, I would like to know what it is. This loop has been up about two weeks, maybe three. Component wise, I have the Kyros, two XSPC GPU blocks, Feser triple, Feser Single 140mm and the 402x2 Rev. 1.

Seriously, this cannot be what I think it is. I was planning on taking the loop down anyway to make some adjustments, but now it looks like I have to pull my entire system apart and check all my blocks, flush my rads, probably get rid of the tubing.

[Waterlogged]

Why do ppl see copper and automatically think rust? It looks like the plating has come off the pipe. Not really sure what the heck is going on as of late but it'll be interesting to see how Koolance handles this.

[MrBean]

Yep, I have to agree, even before reading Waterlogged's reply.

That's copper you're seeing, nothing else.

[Utnorris]

Sorry, it's not copper unless they did reverse plating and put copper on top of the nickle/silver tube because I have it apart and I can use my finger nail to scrape it off. I have a few more pics I will have uploaded in about ten minutes showing you what I have found, but it definitely is not copper exposure.

[MrBean]

Ah, that's different then, if you can scrape it off. So, to confirm, you still have the silver nickle-plating once you clean this off? Surface smooth/shiny, or pitted?

[Sparky]

Only way to be sure is to test with a magnet. Don't assume, just test

[zeropluszero]

if its "stainless" steel, it wont have magnetic properties.

[Utnorris]

New pics so maybe this will help, but I really do not think it's copper, I hope it is, but since it wipes/scrapes off I do not know how that can be copper.














The inside of the pipe:







And what a Q-tip wiped inside the pipe looks like:




If someone wants to try and explain how that is copper, feel free too because I am all ears, but I want a good explanation. I will say it is not magnetic, not sure if that proves anything either way, but it's not.

[Utnorris]

Ah, that's different then, if you can scrape it off. So, to confirm, you still have the silver nickle-plating once you clean this off? Surface smooth/shiny, or pitted?

That is correct, nice and shiny underneath.

Only way to be sure is to test with a magnet. Don't assume, just test

if its "stainless" steel, it wont have magnetic properties.

Did that and it was not magnetic, granted it was only a magnetic tipped screw driver and not a industrial sized one used for moving cars around.

[D749]

That sort of looks like the inside of a CNT-RP452X2 connector I ordered. I sent it back to Koolance for another.

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[MrBean]

Yep, definitely not copper then, but another form of oxidation (for the lack of a better term) - but from what

[Sparky]

Not magnetic = not steel.

But then, what is it?

[Utnorris]

That sort of looks like the inside of a CNT-RP452X2 connector I ordered. I sent it back to Koolance for another.

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Yep, my serial kit is just like that, however, I know that is copper exposure because I cannot wipe/scrape it away. That's the difference here, this formed on the part after running in the loop for about three weeks, your pipe was like that and therefore you knew it was probably just bad plating of the copper.

[Utnorris]

Not magnetic = not steel.

But then, what is it?

No idea, that's why I am posting as much info as possible and hoping that a few others will look at theirs to see if they have the same issue. The water I pulled out is clear and has no odor if that means anything.

Seriously, I hope it's not another case of what happened with the fittings a few years back, but I need an explanation and a good one, before I write this off.

[Martinm210]

Weird.

I took my sample from the package, tested for magnetism...nope.

Took a knife and scraped down on the inside of the tube and sure enough copper pipe under the plating. So it has nothing to do with the pipe material.

Have you asked Koolance direct yet?

[Utnorris]

Not yet, just discovered it tonight. I was hoping that someone might be able to look at theirs and either have the same issue or give me an explanation to what it is. On a side note, when it was installed I did have an issue getting it to bleed, in fact it still had times where it would have air in it and cause noise and a flow drop, this was after getting most of the air out using a T-line. I am wondering if removing the actual pipe wouldn't help in the bleed process. Any thoughts on this?

[Martinm210]

I haven't tried the kit myself yet, but I have tested series with the stock baffels as well as with the serial acrylic insert in the right side and managed to get them both to work with some work. It seems most users have their own preferred method. Some like without any baffles at all..etc. I think it depends on the system flow rate. So far I like the series kit acrylic in the right side best even though it wasn't really made for that.

I suppose you could try with the tube removed, but I have no idea how or if it would work.

[OC Maximus]

That pipe actually looks pretty cool if you were going for a Steam Punk look. As for what material it is, guess we'll have to wait for Koolance to chime in tomorrow.

Best of luck

[NaeKuh]

If its brass or pure copper it wont be magnetic.

If its Steel it will be magnetic.


I dont think KL would screw up this big in making the pipe out of Steel.
Not after all the nightmares they had on the plugs when they were made from steel.

Weird.

I took my sample from the package, tested for magnetism...nope.

Took a knife and scraped down on the inside of the tube and sure enough copper pipe under the plating. So it has nothing to do with the pipe material.

Have you asked Koolance direct yet?

Its not brass?

[D749]

Submit a support ticket to Koolance and include a link to this thread.

[PiLsY]

Looks like nasty brown algae to me. Pics can be very hard to judge from though. If it wipes off to show undamaged nickel its either come from somewhere else in your loop or grown there.

[Utnorris]

I used a few drops of some PT-Nuke I have had for awhile, didn't know there was two kinds, but I can check the label. I really do not think it's algae because the water was clear when I drained it. May not be rust either since there is no damage to the pipe. It's really weird and I have no idea what the funk it is. As far as a support ticket, I will do that tonight after the kids go to bed. I will take a look at it later and see if I can get better pics or figure it out. If no one else is having this issue then it's possible it is algae, but like I said, I don't know what it is. Hopefully Koolance will see the thread and give their input, maybe state what the pipe is, that would be helpful also.

[PiLsY]

Yeah im only trying to think of possible explanations really. I've seen similar to that im my res threads in both colour and your description of how it wipes awap leaving no blemish.

Id soak that tube in bleach (or better yet put it through a baby bottle steriliser), have a good visual check to see if you can see it anywhere else in the loop, change the fluid and go double dose on the nuke for the next 6 months. If it comes back its full teardown I guess .

[PiLsY]

Double post...

[Sadasius]

Kind of looks like rust to me getting past the plating that is on the tube.