Performance preview of AMD LIano vs Intel Sandy Bridge @ ocworkbench

[Trunks]

I don`t know if this is repost...

http://en.ocworkbench.com/tech/compu...-sandy-bridge/

[Game_boy]

If true, very nice.

3550 in the range of current Phenom II X4s, and that's only a 65W part. The full 100W part is the 3550P and that should be faster still. Disregarding 3DMark of course.

[bamtan2]

that does not look good to me. winning in one benchmark, and losing in another? THIS is the culmination of purchasing ATI and a handful of years working on AMD Fusion? I'm fairly skeptical these are real

[informal]

that does not look good to me. winning in one benchmark, and losing in another? THIS is the culmination of purchasing ATI and a handful of years working on AMD Fusion? I'm fairly skeptical these are real

It won 3dmark and lost in pcmark,which is expected.Why,did you expect Llano to have faster CPU cores than SB and slower GPU than SB?
Everything is fine,overall the chip is a better fusion-type processor(for all-in-one systems).It offers really good CPU performance and discrete class GPU performance with Crossfire-X added bonus.

[[XC] hipno650]

It won 3dmark and lost in pcmark,which is expected.Why,did you expect Llano to have faster CPU cores than SB and slower GPU than SB?
Everything is fine,overall the chip is a better fusion-type processor(for all-in-one systems).It offers really good CPU performance and discrete class GPU performance with Crossfire-X added bonus.

I dunno man these numbers look nothing but bad. the CPU performance is not great. I take these numbers with a grain of salt but this would make sense as to why they have rumored to have pushed it back the launch due to low performance...

i hope this slide is wrong...

[Vapor]

I dunno man these numbers look nothing but bad. the CPU performance is not great. I take these numbers with a grain of salt but this would make sense as to why they have rumored to have pushed it back the launch due to low performance...

i hope this slide is wrong...

This is Llano performance and Llano isn't Bulldozer.

Llano is just a Phenom2 with a 160-400SP IGP. Bulldozer is the next architecture and is at least a month away (and has murmurs of delay)

EDIT: Llano has no L3, right? I guess that makes it more of an Athlon2 with an on-die IGP. So, destined to not be a very good CPU.

[DarthShader]

I dunno man these numbers look nothing but bad. the CPU performance is not great. I take these numbers with a grain of salt but this would make sense as to why they have rumored to have pushed it back the launch due to low performance...

Those are slightly improved Athlons in there, and the 3550 is a 65W TDP part. That contains the highest binned GPU. 3550P is a 100W TDP part and all the extra power will go in the CPU, that will surely boost that PC Mark score.

[Nintendork]

[XC] hipno650

You see everything as bad and don't take in consideration what are the aims of this Fusion. Want pure performance? Zambesi is that cpu.

Most OEM's intel pc's that sell at the same price as Llano-based will only feature HD2000 graphics(i3/i5) wich is worse than HD3000. In the same combo Llano + HD6550. Non-Enthusiast people will not find differences between Llano/SB/Zambesi but they surely find differences in that GPU.

So for avg joe Llano is a better option than SB + IGP or Zambesi + IGP (to be the same HD4200 / 880G).

Maybe in your little world people care about cpu above everything else, but 95% care about the whole package.


The same goes for Fusion Trinity, it won't try to compete with high end Komodo (10cores/5modules). 2module/4cores are plenty enough to Fusion's target market.

[Glow9]

Anyone else think this is going to just be a huge waste of time for AMD?
Does anyone really care if their crappy integrated graphics are on chip or on mobo. I see how upgrading your cpu and gpu would be a great idea just 1 thing to upgrade. But now it's like buy top of the line CPU and you have a GPU with the performance of a $60 video card Good thing everything is still using DX9.
Seems like a whole lot of time wasted when they could be spending it on getting back to performing clock for clock with intel.

[zanzabar]

that does not look good to me. winning in one benchmark, and losing in another? THIS is the culmination of purchasing ATI and a handful of years working on AMD Fusion? I'm fairly skeptical these are real

it shows the power of the IGP and the lack of cpu single thread power on the amd chips. but the 2600k dose like 3.8ghz with turbo and the top liano is like 2.6 with turbo that is out now (or that u can get)

Anyone else think this is going to just be a huge waste of time for AMD?
Does anyone really care if their crappy integrated graphics are on chip or on mobo. I see how upgrading your cpu and gpu would be a great idea just 1 thing to upgrade. But now it's like buy top of the line CPU and you have a GPU with the performance of a $60 video card Good thing everything is still using DX9.
Seems like a whole lot of time wasted when they could be spending it on getting back to performing clock for clock with intel.

your not the market, for laptops and cheap desktops making this is amazing since its on a $100 or less chip, and amd has the BD for people who get an card. its more like a $100 card but the cpu dose not cost much more. the IGP in it is enough to play "nextgen" games and it will be on everything with an amd chipset, so its great for gaming and software devs. also this is a 2.6ghz chip with turbo v a 3.8ghz with turbo what do u expect.

[[XC] Synthetickiller]

So it takes a 6 and 8 core to beat a dualcore w/ HT?

Gpu is something I don't care about unless I'm on a laptop, but that's not the topic here...

I was hoping we'd see something better.

[kuroikenshi]

I dunno man these numbers look nothing but bad. the CPU performance is not great. I take these numbers with a grain of salt but this would make sense as to why they have rumored to have pushed it back the launch due to low performance...

i hope this slide is wrong...

I do take this results in a highly welcome manner, I actually thought llano was not going to perform like it is, absolutely brilliant!

btw you're mixing Llano and BD as described a few posts above

[ubuntu83]

So it takes a 6 and 8 core to beat a dualcore w/ HT?

Gpu is something I don't care about unless I'm on a laptop, but that's not the topic here...

I was hoping we'd see something better.

Lolz A8 and A6, both are quad cores. You maybe got confused by the names.

[Nintendork]

So it takes a 6 and 8 core to beat a dualcore w/ HT?

Gpu is something I don't care about unless I'm on a laptop, but that's not the topic here...

I was hoping we'd see something better.

it shows the power of the IGP and the lack of cpu single thread power on the amd chips. but the 2600k dose like 3.8ghz with turbo and the top liano is like 2.6 with turbo that is out now (or that u can get)

Seems you're confused. Is it that difficult to inform yourself a bit before posting?

Llano A8 ~ Quad core
Llano A6 ~ Quad core
Llano A4 ~ Dual core
Llano E2 ~ Dual Core

AMD FX8000 ~ 4module/8 core
AMD FX6000 ~ 3module/6 core
AMD FX4000 ~ 2module/4 core


The Llano that reaches 2.6Ghz with Turbo is a mobile part


Love reading the nonsense.

[informal]

I dunno man these numbers look nothing but bad. the CPU performance is not great. I take these numbers with a grain of salt but this would make sense as to why they have rumored to have pushed it back the launch due to low performance...

i hope this slide is wrong...

As others mentioned ,this is Llano,a mainstream Fusion CPU for mobile and desktop.It's slightly improved phenom II with Radeon integrated on the same die.Results are actually quite good in PCmark also,since SandyBridge nails this test (faster than 990x too,the test is not well threaded and appreciates high clock and ipc). Llano is posting similar scores to top of the line Thuban/Deneb. That's is great for a 65W part .

So it takes a 6 and 8 core to beat a dualcore w/ HT?

Gpu is something I don't care about unless I'm on a laptop, but that's not the topic here...

I was hoping we'd see something better.

No,the model numbers(A8,A6,A4) don't represent the number of cores.Top model "A8 somethingsomething" is a quad core at xx.xxGhz with 400SP Radeon on die.These are all dual and quad core Fusion CPUs.Read the above response to hipno650.

[qcmadness]

If the A8-3550 is the 65W part, this is amazing enough.

[informal]

If the A8-3550 is the 65W part, this is amazing enough.

Yeah,3550(without the "P") should be 65W part.This chart summarizes the lineup:

I don't know about the 1866Mhz dram speed support though. But for 65W part,a score of 6600 in pcmark vantage is awesome. 3560P in turn should have higher turbo core clock and may even come closer to SB in this rather uninteresting test.

[Nintendork]

We need a cinebench11.x64 Llano test ASAP.

[bamtan2]

It won 3dmark and lost in pcmark,which is expected.

you make a good point. people will have to evaluate this new balance. but I hope for AMD's sake they dont come in with a chip that loses in half the benchmarks.

[qcmadness]

you make a good point. people will have to evaluate this new balance. but I hope for AMD's sake they dont come in with a chip that loses in half the benchmarks.

A little bit surprisingly, Llano is in fact a mobile-orientated chip.

[zanzabar]

Seems you're confused. Is it that difficult to inform yourself a bit before posting?

Llano A8 ~ Quad core
Llano A6 ~ Quad core
Llano A4 ~ Dual core
Llano E2 ~ Dual Core

AMD FX8000 ~ 4module/8 core
AMD FX6000 ~ 3module/6 core
AMD FX4000 ~ 2module/4 core


The Llano that reaches 2.6Ghz with Turbo is a mobile part


Love reading the nonsense.

1) PCMV is all about single thread speed and storage but im assuming the same storage.
2) i guess that is the mobile but i dont see why they have the same number if they are clocked differently, and i will bet that it is not a 3.8ghz chip with trubo. the max i would think would be 3.2ghz with turbo but i would say its a 2.6-2.8ghz chip as thats about what a phenom dose in 3dmV with a lower mid card

[DarthShader]

Anyone else think this is going to just be a huge waste of time for AMD?

You might be on your own with that one.

With Intel having the process advantage and waaaay more resources (ie. money), it's hard to compete head on. So they try to differentiate their products to make them desirable, despite lacking in CPU area.

What you need to realize too is, with such IGP they are not crap anymore. That's ~500GFLOPs on tap to use. Can the competition do that?

[Lanek]

Impossible to compare without knowing the system used . it's really difficult to compare a mobile version with a desktop one.... chipset, system hardware and motherboard will make a lot of difference, specially if thoes test have been performed on a laptop .. and this can explain this pc mark vantage score . a comparaison with a system using a 2620M will be more accurate .

[clayton]

I would love to see these bad boys in a netbook level of size. 7" with those graphic processing power would be great and high battery life.

[jjj]

Impossible to compare without knowing the system used . it's really difficult to compare a mobile version with a desktop one.... chipset, system hardware and motherboard will make a lot of difference, specially if thoes test have been performed on a laptop .. and this can explain this pc mark vantage score . a comparaison with a system using a 2620M will be more accurate .

The Llano models in this test are desktop parts,the mobile parts have a M or MX sufix.