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    I love that the Samsung 830 has maintained such a high speed over such an extended write time. That little Kingston just won't give up either. Great thread.

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    Sandisk Extreme G25 - 120gb - Day 41

    Drive hours: 983
    ASU GiB written: 424,267.56 GiB (414.32 TiB)
    Avg MB/s: 125.64 MB/s (3.03 hours)
    MD5: OK

    Host GB written (F1): 426,618 GiB (416.62 TiB)
    NAND writes (E9): 318,373 GiB (310.91 TiB)

    Retired Block Count (05): 4 raw
    Failure count (AB, AC): 1 program, 1 erase
    Raw Error Rate (01): 116 normalized
    Media Wearout Indicator (E7): 15 normalized
    Wear Range Delta (B1): 4 raw
    Reported Uncorrectable Errors (BB): 0 raw

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    Samsung 830 256GB Day 118

    (GiB) 2,892,395.11
    (TiB) 2,824.60
    (PiB) 2.78


    (Avg) 297.42 MB/s

    (B1) Wear Leveling Count: 12,534

    (B6) Erase Fail Count: 9
    (05) Reallocated Sectors: 36864
    (POH) 2876


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    Intel 330 120GB

    527.94TB Host writes
    1.94TiB Host reads
    Reallocated sectors : 05 10
    Available Reserved Space : E8 100
    MWI 39
    [B5] 5
    [B6] 5

    [F1] Total LBAs Written 17299612
    [F2] Total LBAs Read 63519
    [F9] Total NAND Writes 381094GB // ~372.19TiB
    POH 1285
    MD5 OK

    125.14MiB/s on avg (~156 hours)

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    Kingston SSDNow 40GB (X25-V)

    1122.18TB Host writes (36771668*32)
    Reallocated sectors : 05 59 // 3 up
    Available Reserved Space : E8 98
    POH 10019
    MD5 OK

    33.52MiB/s on avg (~156 hours)

    Notice that reserved space changed from 99 to 98.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher View Post
    Samsung 830 256GB Day 118

    (GiB) 2,892,395.11
    (TiB) 2,824.60
    (PiB) 2.78


    (Avg) 297.42 MB/s

    (B1) Wear Leveling Count: 12,534

    (B6) Erase Fail Count: 9
    (05) Reallocated Sectors: 36864
    (POH) 2876


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    Here are todays update:

    m4
    1228. 0269 TiB
    5128 hours
    Avg speed 70.87 MiB/s.
    AD 176 to 164
    P/E 21132.
    C3 4457
    CE 58
    MD5 OK.
    Reallocated sectors : 00


    Intel X25-M G1 80GB
    797.45 TiB
    24415 hours
    Reallocated sectors : 237 to 255 to 38
    Available Reserved space: 54 to 51
    MWI= 219 to 194
    MD5 =OK
    32.63 Mi/s on avg


    Intel X25-E 64GB
    511.84 TiB
    1596-30=1566 hours
    Reallocated sectors : 0
    Available Reserved space: 100
    MWI= 96
    MD5 =OK
    90.02 MiB/s on avg
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kain665 View Post
    Go little guy, go!
    Thanks! That drive needs all the encouragement it can get.

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    So...

    Based on the MWI progression versus the TiB written for the X25E, it'll hit 12PiB before MWI reaches 1... Granted, there may be other factors but I still find that ridiculous!

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    it IS SLC NAND... so it's not really that ridiculous
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    Quote Originally Posted by DragoonXX View Post
    it IS SLC NAND... so it's not really that ridiculous
    And it's got 80GB of 50nm SLC at that. In reality, you should get closer to 300K PE cycles out of it.

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    Samsung 830 256GB Day 119

    (GiB) 2,918,977.48
    (TiB) 2,850.56
    (PiB) 2.80


    (Avg) 297.81 MB/s

    (B1) Wear Leveling Count: 12,648

    (B6) Erase Fail Count: 9
    (05) Reallocated Sectors: 36864
    (POH) 2900


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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher View Post
    And it's got 80GB of 50nm SLC at that. In reality, you should get closer to 300K PE cycles out of it.
    300K PE cycles would be ~8.65 years of endurance... in which alot of things could happen. The end of the world could come, or some meteorite could strike it... or Mrs. Bat with a hammer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kain665 View Post
    So...

    Based on the MWI progression versus the TiB written for the X25E, it'll hit 12PiB before MWI reaches 1... Granted, there may be other factors but I still find that ridiculous!
    More like 14.6 PiB (1% every 150TiB)

    Quote Originally Posted by sergiu View Post
    300K PE cycles would be ~8.65 years of endurance... in which alot of things could happen. The end of the world could come, or some meteorite could strike it... or Mrs. Bat with a hammer
    At the current speed it does 2,6 PiB/year. I think something else will break before the nand and to be sure I'll be wearing a helmet and the endurance rig will stay hidden
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    Intel 330 120GB

    537.73TB Host writes
    1.96TiB Host reads
    Reallocated sectors : 05 18 +8
    Available Reserved Space : E8 100
    MWI 37
    [B5] 9
    [B6] 9

    [F1] Total LBAs Written 17620317
    [F2] Total LBAs Read 64314
    [F9] Total NAND Writes 388161GB // ~379TiB
    POH 1307
    MD5 OK

    125.15MiB/s on avg (~179 hours)

    Looks like it's the beginning of the end for the 330.

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    Kingston SSDNow 40GB (X25-V)

    1124.79TB Host writes (36857006*32)
    Reallocated sectors : 05 60 // 1 up
    Available Reserved Space : E8 98
    POH 10042
    MD5 OK

    33.49MiB/s on avg (~179 hours)
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    Most drives are up to date, canthearu's drive is based on the report from the 16th.

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    Sandisk Extreme G25 - 120gb - Day 43

    Drive hours: 1028
    ASU GiB written: 443,992.97 GiB (433.59 TiB)
    Avg MB/s: 126.77 MB/s (22.11 hours)
    MD5: OK

    Host GB written (F1): 446,450 GiB (435.99 TiB)
    NAND writes (E9): 333,189 GiB (325.38 TiB)

    Retired Block Count (05): 4 raw
    Failure count (AB, AC): 1 program, 1 erase
    Raw Error Rate (01): 118 normalized
    Media Wearout Indicator (E7): 10 normalized
    Wear Range Delta (B1): 3 raw
    Reported Uncorrectable Errors (BB): 0 raw

    Drive has finally reached it's official worn point. It has been a good run, and drive is running a bit faster then it did when I first started it. Hopefully I can at least double the amount of written data. Unlike the earlier corsair force 3 .... Wear range delta has remained very well controlled, which may improve the eventual life of the drive.

    Looking through the SMARTLOG data, the drive hit MWI 10 at:
    446,307 GiB Host Writes (F1)
    333,083 GiB NAND writes (E9)

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    Thanks for the update!

    Looks like the non-Intel SF drives are a bit different on MWI, I've still got 27% (or 37% depending on how Intel handles the last 10%) left on my drive and NAND writes are up to ~380TiB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anvil View Post
    Thanks for the update!

    Looks like the non-Intel SF drives are a bit different on MWI, I've still got 27% (or 37% depending on how Intel handles the last 10%) left on my drive and host writes are up to ~380TiB.
    Your intel 330 will go all the way down to 1%, just like my Intel 520 did.

    Intel ported their method of measuring MWI to their sandforce drives, so the MWI goes all the way to 1%. Will be interesting if the 330 makes it all the way to 1% though .... did intel forget to set the NAND cycle feature to 3k rather then 5k on their 330 drives ... or does the 330 really have 5k NAND in it.

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    Also, if people are looking for a drive with Plextor M3 like performance, but don't have plextor stocking their part of the world ... keep an eye on the liteon drives.

    I got the following from a $90 AU Lite-On - LZT-128M3S (128gig).

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    The scary thing is that inside the outer casing of this LZT-128M3S, there is a mSATA converter and a Lite-on M3M mSATA drive.

    Such performance is completely nuts from a normal desktop drive, let alone a mSATA drive!

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    I could have checked how it was handled on your 520. (a bit lazy as it's holidays sort-of)

    Here's a look at Reallocations vs MWI on the 330

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    Quote Originally Posted by canthearu View Post
    The scary thing is that inside the outer casing of this LZT-128M3S, there is a mSATA converter and a Lite-on M3M mSATA drive.

    Such performance is completely nuts from a normal desktop drive, let alone a mSATA drive!

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    Where the hell do I find such an oddball drive as that Lite On? That has my name written all over it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher View Post
    Where the hell do I find such an oddball drive as that Lite On? That has my name written all over it.
    Just keep an eye out for bargains. Then don't hesitate because they sell out quickly.

    The Lite-on drives are very similar to the corsair performance pro and plextor m3 drives. 24nm Toshiba NAND on a Marvell controller. SMART parameters are very similar (if not the same) as your M3P that was tested. However, it seems that my drive is no good at counting power on hours. Been powered for 26 hours and only showing 1 power on hour. Could be due to some power saving mode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher View Post
    Where the hell do I find such an oddball drive as that Lite On? That has my name written all over it.
    I don't know that you can find them here the good 'ol US of A.

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    @Christopher
    I just tried to update fw on my Mtron but I just get this error message, both in IDE and AHCI. Got any ideas?
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    I used the 0.20R1 ver posted here this spring.
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