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    Kingston SSDNow 40GB (X25-V)

    686.05TB Host writes
    Reallocated sectors : 05 22
    Available Reserved Space : E8 99
    POH 6182
    MD5 OK

    32.79MiB/s on avg (~193 hours)

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    OK. Looking forward to 26 April 2012 for the 830 retention results.

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    Todays update.
    Kingston V+100
    357.2993 TiB
    2169 hours
    Avg speed 24.49 MiB/s
    AD still 1.
    168= 1 (SATA PHY Error Count)
    P/E?
    MD5 OK.
    Reallocated sectors : 00



    Intel X25-M G1 80GB
    315,59 TiB
    20750 hours
    Reallocated sectors : 00
    MWI=116 to 114
    MD5 =OK
    40.16 MiB/s on avg


    m4
    368.7760 TiB
    1376 hours
    Avg speed 80.79 MiB/s.
    AD gone from 148 to 140.
    P/E 6493.
    MD5 OK.
    Reallocated sectors : 00
    1: AMD FX-8150-Sabertooth 990FX-8GB Corsair XMS3-C300 256GB-Gainward GTX 570-HX-750
    2: Phenom II X6 1100T-Asus M4A89TD Pro/usb3-8GB Corsair Dominator-Gainward GTX 460SE/-X25-V 40GB-(Crucial m4 64GB /Intel X25-M G1 80GB/X25-E 64GB/Mtron 7025/Vertex 1 donated to endurance testing)
    3: Asus U31JG - X25-M G2 160GB

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    I'm not dead -- I'm just on a trip. I'll try to find out what is going on with the Turbo.


    UPDATE
    The system is on and running, but I haven't been able to remote in for a few days.
    Last edited by Christopher; 02-06-2012 at 11:07 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher View Post
    I'm not dead -- I'm just on a trip. I'll try to find out what is going on with the Turbo.


    UPDATE
    The system is on and running, but I haven't been able to remote in for a few days.
    I hope you haven't missed the recent launch of the Intel 520 SSD

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    Quote Originally Posted by bulanula View Post
    I hope you haven't missed the recent launch of the Intel 520 SSD
    I'm already over it. I cancelled my order two weeks ago (they've been shipping here in small quantities for some time now).

    I'll get one, and maybe even soon, but more SF drives are not what I need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bulanula View Post
    I hope you haven't missed the recent launch of the Intel 520 SSD
    What a waste of a launch anyway! SF controller? for Pete's sakes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by devsk View Post
    What a waste of a launch anyway! SF controller? for Pete's sakes!
    Intel has probably fixed SandForce, but that doesn't mean I'm drooling all over myself. The X25-V,M, and E are the standard bearers of excellence, and you will have to pry them away from my cold, dead hands.

    I'm curious about the RAISE being disabled and it's potential ramifications. Having RAISE on the Force 3 and the Chronos D (64gbit devices didn't get it at 60GB, but the CDX60 did with 32gb devices) didn't seem to help, and Intel has chosen to just OP the drive instead. I believe RAISE was primarily for using lower quality NAND in a drive, but even the 320 uses a redundancy scheme. It's unclear whether SF drive are benefiting in any way from having RAISE.

    Obviously Intel thinks the OP and SF compression are enough.

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    Kingston SSDNow 40GB (X25-V)

    695.86TB Host writes
    Reallocated sectors : 05 22
    Available Reserved Space : E8 99
    POH 6268
    MD5 OK

    32.80MiB/s on avg (~279 hours)

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    Getting closer to that data retention test again

    Need to decide on what drive to test...

    edit:

    Regarding the 520, it would be nice to know if it is "Life-Time-Throttled".
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    Update:

    Vertex Turbo DEAD, pending destructive flash
    Samsung 830 Still works

    The 830 is still working for the time being, but I'm suspending testing of it.

    EDIT
    I just started looking at the Turbo's SMART data, and it's a sight to behold. I'll post some info graphics or something at a later time.

    I'm attempting to destructive flash it now.
    Last edited by Christopher; 02-07-2012 at 05:56 PM.

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    Yeah seems like Intel has exited the controller market

    Any news on a C300 ?

    Thanks !

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    Quote Originally Posted by bulanula View Post
    Yeah seems like Intel has exited the controller market

    Any news on a C300 ?

    Thanks !
    The 520 is just the replacement for the 510 -- which didn't use an Intel controller anyway. And they're still releasing new drives with the Intel controller, such as the upcoming 711 series. I know I want one. Intel has never been in the 6gbps controller business, so it's not like the world is losing anything. The 500 series might just always use a third party controller, then all other lines will use Intel controllers. Who knows?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher View Post
    Update:

    Vertex Turbo DEAD, pending destructive flash
    With under 100TiB on the chart? That's terrible but good enough for me because I have written about 2TiB in ~1.5 years on my Vertex1 128.

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    Quote Originally Posted by devsk View Post
    With under 100TiB on the chart? That's terrible but good enough for me because I have written about 2TiB in ~1.5 years on my Vertex1 128.
    Read errors went through the roof. I can probably save it with a dflash, the drive is fine otherwise. Indilinx drives just up and die for no good reason sometimes, which is why having the option to dflash is so excellent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher View Post
    Read errors went through the roof. I can probably save it with a dflash, the drive is fine otherwise. Indilinx drives just up and die for no good reason sometimes, which is why having the option to dflash is so excellent.
    Yes, but it took the M225 to mega TB to get to that point.

    EviLdently, not all Indilinx are built the same
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    Bluestang,

    I questioned the drive's pedigree, but you were right to say that it was bunk.


    Well, the good news is I can just dflash it -- I checked -- but I'm holding off. Before the drive died, these were it's stats:

    Vertex Turbo 64GB 1.7FW

    GiB 119230.48
    TiB 116.4360

    42 Erase Fail
    72 Read Fail <-----Went from 0 to 72 in a couple hours.
    1 Program Failure

    58 MWI

    2127 Avg Erase Count
    417 Power on Hours.

    12 Raw Read Error Rate


    The problem is, when I dflash it I'll lose all the smart data accumulation. I'm deciding what to do -- it could just up and happen again in a few days.
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    I wonder what runnning the NAND cleaner would do?

    Mine didn't like it at all, but I believe mine was already past it's time when I tried.

    Can/have you ran the Indilinx SmatViewer on it to see what Bank all the errors are on?
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    If the smart viewer works in engineering mode, I'll give it a shot.

    I ran the NAND cleaner on this drive before the start of testing, trying to isolate the issues with the drive. This drive didn't like getting FW flashed or NAND cleaned -- trying to do either one of those would often result in an error.

    I let it sit over night, just in case that good old voodoo magic would help. It did not.





    On Feb 4 2012 read failures went from 1 to 72. When the drive died, it locked the system up. It was still on technically, but no system will boot with the Turbo not in engineering mode.
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    No, don't use it in Eng mode. It will scroll forever when listing info as it's not seen in the normal way.

    Have you tried hot plugging it in once booted into Windows. That did the trick with mine once, but it sounds like your to the point of no return if it's keeping system from booting. That is where I was with mine when it finally died.

    As long as your keeping proper records of SMART data, then I don't see anyone having an issue with d-flashing it to tried and continue if it's your last resort.
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    Bluestang, you are a gentleman and a scholar. I'm trying to find the smart viewer again, and I may or may not have it.

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------///
    UPDATE:

    The Vertex Turbo is unflashable. After 70 mins of laundering and dflashing, nothing will "take". I'll try again, but it's dead...


    Official Time of Death: 4 Feb 2012 22:11:45 UTC -5
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    I have put SmartViewer here for you to DL if you need it again. Need to "run as admin" for it to work right I believe.
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    One drive dies, another one comes in the mail. It's the circle of life.

    16GB MTRON PRO 7000 2.5"
    187 Total Erase Count 258954

    Since I... ahem... destroyed the last MTRON on accident, I got another 16GB model to replace it with.

    As you can see, it's not really any faster than the others:


    Now that the testing rig is empty I'm doing some maintenance on it, but I'll start the MTRON later today.

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    Good work Cristopher !

    Really eager to see the small Mtron perform. Thanks !

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    The MTRON 2.5" 7000 PRO (7025) 16GB SLC is up and running.

    I cloned the endurance rig's system drive to the 32GB MOBI, then put the 7000 PRO to work on 8 FEB 2012 21:00 UTC -5

    The PRO 7000 uses 16GB of Micron SLC, @50nm and each device is 1GB.



    I soon hope to have some new drives in the rig to keep the MTRONs company. I've been considering some newer drives, and I'm still also considering the 120GB Mushkin Chronos Deluxe I already have -- but it's too damn slow for my tastes (in E-testing).
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    Wow, a lot of things going on for you Christopher

    Will be updating the charts etc tonight.

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    32.80MiB/s on avg (~334 hours)

    Looks like I need to decide on that second SSD real soon, the X-25 will be disconnected tomorrow and will stay disconnected for the weekend for a short data retention test.
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