SSD Write Endurance 25nm Vs 34nm

[Christopher]

I'm somewhat dissatisfied by the death of the Mushkin (I mean, how much better would it been if the drive just exploded in a cacophonous shower of sparks?). I'm thinking about maybe getting another and trying again.

Is that the definition of insanity?

[B.A.T]

Todays update:
Kingston V+100
230.5225 TiB
911 hours
Avg speed 74.42 MiB/s
AD still 1.
168= 0 to 1 (SATA PHY Error Count)
P/E?
MD5 OK.
Reallocated sectors : 00



Intel X25-M G1 80GB
45,2903 TiB
18881 Reallocated sectors : 00
MWI=25 to 18
MD5 OK
51.86 MiB/s on avg


The Kingston has behaved strange today. First it dropped out like before. I restarted the rig and it was back again. I restored the log and started up again but I got an error message that Anvilpro.exe was broken.

I deleted all files on the ssd and did a quick format before I copied it all back and restarted the test. Now it runs normal but ASU comes up with error messages.

Value 168 has changed from 0 to 1.

Anyone seen this kind of problem before?

[B.A.T]

I'm somewhat dissatisfied by the death of the Mushkin (I mean, how much better would it been if the drive just exploded in a cacophonous shower of sparks?). I'm thinking about maybe getting another and trying again.

Is that the definition of insanity?

That is half the fun

[Hopalong X]

That is half the fun

What the insanity?

[B.A.T]

Yup

[Anvil]

Kingston SSDNow 40GB (X25-V)

474.78TB Host writes
Reallocated sectors : 05 12
Available Reserved Space : E8 99

MD5 OK

34.78MiB/s on avg (~22 hours)

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Corsair Force 3 120GB

01 92/50 (Raw read error rate)
05 2 (Retired Block count)
B1 59 (Wear range delta)
E6 100 (Life curve status)
E7 10 (SSD Life left)
E9 364685 (Raw writes) ->356TiB
F1 485413 (Host writes) ->474TiB

MD5 OK

106.73MiB/s on avg (~22 hours)

power on hours : 1410

No movement on B1.

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The Force 3 is about to overtake the Intel. (the Intel's been writing for almost 6 months)

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@B.A.T

I'd do a secure erase again, the messages looks to point to data corruption.

[Christopher]

I would get Write Error 0 when the Mushkin would disconnect mid-loop, I would restart ASU and get WE0. I'd have to stop ASU, exit, then start again to get rid of it.

[B.A.T]

What is WE0?

[Christopher]

WE0, Write Error 0

[B.A.T]

Okay. I've restarted and tried again but same problem. I'll try an SE and see if that helps.
Edit:
Now it runs just fine

[Christopher]

isn't the Toshiba controller in that Kingston just a rebadged JMicron? Maybe I'm thinking of some other Kingston.

EDIT
Maybe I'm thinking of the new Kingston SATA III drives, the 200 series.

[B.A.T]

It's an Toshiba T6UG1XBG controller in the V+100

[bluestang]

M225->Vertex Turbo 64GB Update:

759.98 TiB (835.61 TB) total
1971 hrs (Torture), 2784 hrs (Power-On)
14920 Raw Wear
118.36 MB/s avg for the last 70.46 hours (on W7 x64)
MD5 OK
C4-Erase Failure Block Count (Realloc Sectors) at 14.
1=Bnk 6/Blk 2406
2=Bnk 3/Blk 3925
3=Bnk 0/Blk 1766
4=Bnk 0/Blk 829
5=Bnk 4/Blk 3191
6=Bnk 7/Blk 937
7=Bnk 7/Blk 1980
8=Bnk 7/Blk 442
9=Bnk 7/Blk 700
10=Bnk 2/Blk 1066
11=Bnk 7/Blck 85
12=Bnk 4/Blk 3192
13=Bnk 7/Blk 280
14=Bnk 3/Blk 2375

[devsk]

M225->Vertex Turbo 64GB Update:

759.98 TiB (835.61 TB) total
1971 hrs (Torture), 2784 hrs (Power-On)
14920 Raw Wear
118.36 MB/s avg for the last 70.46 hours (on W7 x64)
MD5 OK
C4-Erase Failure Block Count (Realloc Sectors) at 14.
1=Bnk 6/Blk 2406
2=Bnk 3/Blk 3925
3=Bnk 0/Blk 1766
4=Bnk 0/Blk 829
5=Bnk 4/Blk 3191
6=Bnk 7/Blk 937
7=Bnk 7/Blk 1980
8=Bnk 7/Blk 442
9=Bnk 7/Blk 700
10=Bnk 2/Blk 1066
11=Bnk 7/Blck 85
12=Bnk 4/Blk 3192
13=Bnk 7/Blk 280
14=Bnk 3/Blk 2375

Is that past M4 already?

[bluestang]

Nope...last update before M4 (R.I.P) was 768 +/- TiB. So, once I hit 800 TiB, I'll call it past M4.

[Christopher]

I love that M225-->Vertex Turbo.

It's a beautiful thing.

[bluestang]

Yeah, not bad for a $1/GB refurb special from Crucial.

[alfaunits]

A data safety recap: how did each SSD fail (not detected at all, not writable, not readable at all, not readable fully..) and was there any degree of failure?

[Christopher]

A data safety recap: how did each SSD fail (not detected at all, not writable, not readable at all, not readable fully..) and was there any degree of failure?

My drive, the Mushkin Chronos Deluxe 60 (SF2281 + 32nm Toshiba Toggle NAND) died suddenly and completely. Windows and CDI warned of the death of the drive a few days ahead of time, and I assume it had to do with attribute 01 RAW READ ERROR RATE (I refer to it as RRER). The SF1200 + 25nm Hynix NAND Corsair F40-A also died in a similar manner.

The M4 was stopped for a few days, and upon restarting the system, the drive could not be found (this was believed to have been caused by super low data retention times, i.e. the M4 couldn't retain any data for the couple of days it was powered off).

I guess no one really knows for sure, but when you write as much and as fast as these drives are, it's hard for the NAND to retain any charge for long without power. Normally, a drive should be able to retain it's data for 1 year after exhaustion, but if you incur that exhaustion in a month or two, all bets are off.


Bluestang,

I bought a Vertex Turbo 128GB for 1$/GB, and they're still around (and not marked as refurbs). I'm thinking about buying another one while they're still around, as they're good for just about everything (though to be fair, your M225 Turbo is a Hall of Fame candidate for sure.)

[Christopher]

Today was "RMA a lot of broken stuff" day.

Some companies are a lot easier to work with than others, and any company that does advanced RMAs in my book is excellent. I don't normally buy stuff from one vendor or another based on customer support, but I might have to reconsider.

Dealing with Asus is particularly irritating, and OCZ can be infuriating -- takes a long, long time to communicate. Fortunately, I've never had to RMA much stuff.

Mushkin, is really easy to deal with as you can just call them up for anything. You can buy stuff, get technical help or set up advanced RMAs in one short phone call (to an actual breathing person, even! Unlike some other companies I could name).

I bought a Chronos Deluxe 120 today from Mushkin, and I'm considering endurance testing it. It won't be here for a while, though. I'm also looking at some other 60GB SF2281s to see if it dies the same way the Deluxe 60 did.

[Anvil]

A data safety recap: how did each SSD fail (not detected at all, not writable, not readable at all, not readable fully..) and was there any degree of failure?

I'm working on creating a summary in the first post, it will take some more time as the thread has grown a lot
(I'm about half way there on collecting details, as soon as the details are collected I'll rewrite the first post completely)

@Christopher
Don't you know what day it is? -> SnB-E

[Anvil]

Kingston SSDNow 40GB (X25-V)

477.49TB Host writes
Reallocated sectors : 05 12
Available Reserved Space : E8 99

MD5 OK

33.60MiB/s on avg (~46 hours)

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Corsair Force 3 120GB

01 92/50 (Raw read error rate)
05 2 (Retired Block count)
B1 57 (Wear range delta)
E6 100 (Life curve status)
E7 10 (SSD Life left)
E9 371497 (Raw writes) ->363TiB
F1 494479 (Host writes) ->483TiB

MD5 OK

106.61MiB/s on avg (~46 hours)

power on hours : 1434

B1 has dropped to 57.

[B.A.T]

Todays update:
Kingston V+100
233.0828 TiB
935 hours
Avg speed 76.98 MiB/s
AD still 1.
168= 0 to 1 (SATA PHY Error Count)
P/E?
MD5 OK.
Reallocated sectors : 00


Intel X25-M G1 80GB
46,9237 TiB
18890 hours
Reallocated sectors : 00
MWI=18 to 15
MD5 OK
48.26 MiB/s on avg


The test has been down for some hours today due to a cpu upgrade but now it's running again

[Christopher]

SB-E Day?

More like "no Cherryville for you!!!" day.

I'm pretty sure that's what it's called on my calendar anyway.


B.A.T.
CPU upgrade? to what?


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Dear Intel,

If you want to just send me a new X79 setup, complete with DX79SI mobo and Extreme series processor, I'd be happy to use it to endurance test with. Failing that, just send me a couple of Cherryvilles and we'll call it even. I'll totally shill your gear! PM me!

If not, I'm going to rip you incessantly for still including PCI slots on you motherboards. I mean, it was your idea to ditch them, and now your "Extreme" mainboards have 1,2, and 3 PCI slots.

Really, it's up to you. I mean, everyone and their mom, dog, and obese hamster got review samples. Share the love.

Christopher


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[B.A.T]

FX-8150. Got it in the mail same week my son came and finally I had the time and energy to do it