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    CT,

    No, its the 3.2.0 same as always. I'm now using another drive as the OS drive, so that combined with using less free space should eliminate this.

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    Kingston SSDNow 40GB (X25-V)

    418.97GB Host writes
    Reallocated sectors : 12

    MD5 OK

    37.56MiB/s on avg (~10 hours)

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    Corsair Force 3 120GB

    01 90/50 (Raw read error rate)
    05 2 (Retired Block count)
    B1 84 (Wear range delta)
    E6 100 (Life curve status)
    E7 40 (SSD Life left)
    E9 228535 (Raw writes)
    F1 304318 (Host writes)

    MD5 OK

    102.80MiB/s on avg (~10 hours)

    power on hours : 916

    The new firmware looks to perform the same as the previous one wrt speed.

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    Is there no new firmware for the Mushkin?
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    Anvil,

    There is a 3.3.0, but the one I'm waiting for is the supposed "fix", 3.3.2.

    I guess I spoke too soon about fixing the file delete crashes...
    Asu test end by delete crash.JPG

    I could try the newer fw, but I had fixed the random crashes, and found a setting with beta8 that had eliminated the delete crashes. It wasnt unexpected as with the new endurance only rig the Mushkin was the os drive. Now that its a secondary I thought it would stop.
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    3.3.0 would have fixed your issue (if it's equivalent to Corsairs 1.3.2), there should be no need to tweak the loop wrt the number of files.

    I expect Mushkin will release "3.3.2" shortly, the timestamp of the new fw from Corsair was 13th of October.
    (does of course not mean that Corsair was given the fw on that date, just that it was time-stamped by someone on that date)
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    Does anyone know the p/e cycle max count of the Toshiba 32nm toggle nand ?
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    M225->Vertex Turbo 64GB Update:

    575.08 TiB (632.31 TB) total
    1550.67 hours
    11584 Raw Wear
    118.04 MB/s avg for the last 63.85 hours (on W7 x64)
    MD5 OK
    C4-Erase Failure Block Count (Realloc Sectors) at 10.
    (1=Bank 6/Block 2406; 2=Bank 3/Block 3925; 3=Bank 0/Block 1766; 4=Bank 0/Block 829; 5=Bank 4/Block 3191; 6=Bank 7/Block 937; 7=Bank 7/Block 1980; 8=Bank 7/Block 442; 9=Bank 7/Block 700; 10=Bank 2/Block 1066)

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    Kensiko,

    The 32nm Toshiba toggle nand is rated at 5000PE cycles.

    I'm just upraded to 3.3.0, and B1 WRD is down to 14.

    No word from Mushkin on 3.3.2, nor do I believe that Patriot and OWC have it either.
    Last edited by Christopher; 10-24-2011 at 08:48 AM.

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    Patriot released it 4 days ago, it's accessible through the forum, the download page is not updated yet.
    (I updated my drive the 20th)
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    I checked the download pages for those two companies a few days ago and didn't see it.

    Mushkin must just be way behind the curve. I've updated the Chronos to 3.3.0, so maybe it'll help in the mean time. I'm a little tired of playing around to get the drive to work correctly, and now I just want to get in some writes.


    After updating to 3.3.0, I've noticed that the file delete section is much more "smooth". It had always been a little jerky, and now it isn't. Not sure why this is, but I've spent a fair amount of time monitoring the end of the loop and the delete section, and its always been a little uneven.


    I also ran across a Crucial forums post about a user with a 256GB drive that had become read-only, but he only had 191 hours on it, along with 515401711649 program failures -- indicating that something else is going on. It's an interesting failure though.
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    Todays update:
    m4
    745.4980 TiB
    2665hours
    Avg speed 89.21 MiB/s.
    AD gone from 187 to 182.
    P/E 12911.
    Value 01 (raw read error rate) has changed from 15 to 16.
    MD5 OK.
    Still noreallocated sectors
    M4-CT064 M4SSD2 SATA Disk Device_64GB_1GB-20111024-2032-3.pngM4-CT064 M4SSD2 SATA Disk Device_64GB_1GB-20111024-2032-2.png

    Kingston V+100:
    167.4125 TiB
    661 hours
    Avg speed 75.10 MiB/s
    AD gone from 33 to 26.
    P/E?
    MD5 OK.
    Still no reallocated sectors
    KINGSTON SVP100S264G SATA Disk Device_64GB_1GB-20111024-2032-3.pngKINGSTON SVP100S264G SATA Disk Device_64GB_1GB-20111024-2032-2.png

    Edit:
    I also started to make the Intel Z25-M G1 80GB ready. I've finished an SE and tested with ASU but something is wrong. RR doesn't scale with increased QD which is strange since the other drives are using the same controller. Here is a screenshot:
    INTEL SS DSA2MH080G1GC SATA Disk Device_80GB_1GB-20111024-2104.png
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    M4's average speed is starting to decrease a little. Wonder if that is a sign of things to come?
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    The G1's 4K write response times are exactly 4K response time, multiplied by the QD (4 or 16).

    Here is a X25-M G2 80GB for comparison:
    INTEL SSDSA2M080G2GC_80GB_1GB-20111024-1546.png
    Last edited by Christopher; 10-24-2011 at 11:55 AM.

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    Maybe, but it still kicks ass. I did this test 5 min ago . That's why the G1 results looks so strange because the m4 is ok on the same controller.

    M4-CT064 M4SSD2 SATA Disk Device_64GB_1GB-20111024-2148.png

    After a tip from Anvil I've been trying on another port and with dedicated 3 Gb/s port with the same result. Looks like my motherboard are unable to perform ncq with 3 Gb/s ssd.
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    That M4 is a beast though. I kinda wish I had bought a 120 M4 rather than the 510. The M4 just looks better and better over time (your M4 should go in the SSD hall of fame when it dies). I'm taking my 64gb M4 back this weekend when I go home for a few days.

    I bought a couple of G2s cheap, but you can get the G1s here on Ebay new for the same price. The G1 looks better at any rate.

    Does MSHACI restore NCQ on your AMD motherboard?.
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    It's a really good buy and v0009 makes it just as good as the sandforce models.

    NCQ works fine with the m4 so I think is is a Sata 3 Gb/s problem.
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    Kingston SSDNow 40GB (X25-V)

    420.38GB Host writes
    Reallocated sectors : 12

    MD5 OK

    35.13MiB/s on avg (~23 hours)

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    Corsair Force 3 120GB

    01 94/50 (Raw read error rate)
    05 2 (Retired Block count)
    B1 86 (Wear range delta)
    E6 100 (Life curve status)
    E7 39 (SSD Life left)
    E9 231895 (Raw writes)
    F1 308791 (Host writes)

    MD5 OK

    102.69MiB/s on avg (~23 hours)

    power on hours : 928
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    And now the intel joins the test.
    You have seen the performance, here is the rest.

    Like the others I've got 20GB of free space and it's filled with the same static data (os, music, movies, pics)
    Since it's used here are the smartinfo before I started the test. It has 3270 GB written and has been on for 18632 hours.
    Intel X25-M G1 80GB - smart-2.pngIntel X25-M G1 80GB - smart.pngIntel filled before test.PNG

    This is how it looks after an hour of testing
    INTEL SS DSA2MH080G1GC SATA Disk Device_80GB_1GB-20111024-2344.png
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    3: Asus U31JG - X25-M G2 160GB

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    That's pretty good

    An avg at about 60MiB/s is more than I had expected, well, 1 hour is not much.

    How are the other drives performing, does the new drive make an impact?
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    It looks good so far :
    m4=88.85 MiB/s
    Kingston V+100=74.73 MiB/s
    Intel=60.28 MiB/s
    1: AMD FX-8150-Sabertooth 990FX-8GB Corsair XMS3-C300 256GB-Gainward GTX 570-HX-750
    2: Phenom II X6 1100T-Asus M4A89TD Pro/usb3-8GB Corsair Dominator-Gainward GTX 460SE/-X25-V 40GB-(Crucial m4 64GB /Intel X25-M G1 80GB/X25-E 64GB/Mtron 7025/Vertex 1 donated to endurance testing)
    3: Asus U31JG - X25-M G2 160GB

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    What about the MTRON?

    I'd love to see some benchmarks on that too. Trying to kill that drive might take the next 7 years...
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    I have trouble making it work on my main rig. It's a sata 1,5 Gb/s ssd and I can't get it to SE or the os see it. I'm going to try esata tomorrow on both the main rig and my work laptop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by B.A.T View Post
    I have trouble making it work on my main rig. It's a sata 1,5 Gb/s ssd and I can't get it to SE or the os see it. I'm going to try esata tomorrow on both the main rig and my work laptop.
    Interesting. The Mushkin wouldn't work on the Sata II ports on my AMD 785 motherboard. It wouldn't even boot to an OS with the drive connected, on any of the ports.

    The ich8m on my Dell Latitude D630 is slow for Sata II in some respects, but seems to work with anything.

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    It isn't supposed to be easy, but that is half the fun
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    Quote Originally Posted by B.A.T View Post
    It isn't supposed to be easy, but that is half the fun
    If that is true, then a SandForce 2281 is a full 25 percent more fun than non-SF2281's!

    Man, SandForce should hire me for their marketing... now with 25 percent more "Fun" in every box!

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    That is so true
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