Thuban + Hyper speeds + D9 vs PSC?

[ChanceCoats123]

Here's mine. They have been higher, but I honestly, haven't tried to even run this faster since I use my muskin's for 24/7 and my STT's for benching. Don't mind the bad time, it was in my 24/7 install of Win 7 64 bit.

http://hwbot.org/community/submissio...in_10sec_371ms

Edit: Realized I should mention what ram they are... They are Super Talent Chromes (2000 C8 stuff).

[BeepBeep2]

My little contribute:

[img]http://digilander.libero.it/m4puni/phenom/A-Data_test_1_few_Prime.jpg[/img

1,75V

Nice clocks on those sticks

[NEOAethyr]

For the heck of it I checked to see if there was a new ver of esybcd, there was a new beta that allowed floppy images to be added to the win7 boot menu .

So I added win95, with the latest memtest86+ in it.
That was worth it..., I'm gonna add diff types of custom menu entries for things...

Anyways I ran 4hrs and 41mins of test#8 at 255fsb.
It hardlocked, I was sleeping...
Funny though, nothing worked, but the "+" was still blinking .

Ever since I installed ie9 it seems that explorer crashes on random no matter what speed I set, when I'm not even using it, like I'll be playing a video in mpc, and all the sudden explorer crashes out of nowhere in the middle of the movie, etc (stock speeds).


I also have a prob, on 2 totally diff systems where I can double click on the titlebar of the win7 img viewer program, to max/normal size the window, and the controls on the bottom of the screen get corrupted sometimes, can someone else verify that one?
Just open an image, an d keep double clicking on the titlebar, check for graphic corruption in teh cotnrols located ont eh bottem of the screen, it shouldn't take long, 10 tries max.
Tell me it's normal please lol.
Did that on win7 gold, also sp1 :\.

[chew*]

Or perhaps his RAM is a lot better than yours? He had a LOT to bin, I doubt those are mediocre sticks

Quality of ram plays little role here, you end up walling out way before ram is taxxed. It's something to do with thuban just not agreeing with hypers......it's even more evident and a headache when you go cold.

It's why I suggested PSC to everyone seeking high clocks although sometimes I feel like i'm talking to walls.

I do have another theory however, he crammed d9 voltage ito his chip and damaged the imc.......thats a possibility.

I cant remember if I have a high speed 32M run on my 965...it did 1M at 1975 with Hypers most likely would have been 1M (possibly well) over 2000 with the D9's, PSC maybe even further?

I have a picture of me having an orgy with 5 women while my wife watched and wasn't mad but I lost it

1.) I find that hard to believe especially on 790 boards.

2.) what are you smoking, well over 2000+ on deneb..........

[stangracin3]

beep, did you smoke a joint before you made that post?

deneb was lucky to get over 1920, nowhere near 1975

[theoldtimer]

chew's parents were a CPU and a stick of RAM - and you wonder why you can't match him?

This is the way I tune---- and that's when I have a lot of time on my hands when I'm rushed it gets worse

This is the way chew* tunes------------

[NEOAethyr]

2200 I know you can boot windows and bench with, not sure what exact chips can do that though.
Higher, I have no clue, never tried.

It is kinda of a mute point though when you can't really get 2133 stable, maybe it's possible with ALOT of unconventional work.
But I would not hold my breath.

I feel like taking a screen of 2200 or higher myself.
Just not this sec though.

I wish I had 4gigs right now so I could compete.
You guys don't seem to care how 2x1gigs clock lol.

Honestly though, if the board can't boot windows around 2000, it's gotta be the board or the mem it's self.
I've had 2 pairs so far and both boot windows np, took a bit to get stable though.
2gig or 4gig sticks are probably alot more fussy about it, heck I suppose it might take some sub timing tweaks to doit, not sure.
I don't think you really need to tweak the subs unless you are pushing it far beyond what's normally stable on our cpu's.

Temps do make a difference, couldn't boot 2133 at all when I was overheating.
You guys probably won't have probs like that though.
Might not hurt to crack open a window and run in the mid/lower 10c's for a few to do some benching, just be careful of your drives...

[charged3800z24]

This is the way I tune---- and that's when I have a lot of time on my hands when I'm rushed it gets worse

This is the way chew* tunes------------

That's pure funny and true...

[Grinder]

I have a picture of me having an orgy with 5 women while my wife watched and wasn't mad but I lost it

This is the way I tune---- and that's when I have a lot of time on my hands when I'm rushed it gets worse

This is the way chew* tunes------------

I fell off my chair!

[BeepBeep2]

1.) I find that hard to believe especially on 790 boards.

890, maybe thats a little more believable

deneb was lucky to get over 1920

Only 1950 1M, this is at 90ns btw, put about 10 minutes into the attempt
Still better than Thuban and my Hypers, no way I could do 1950 suicide with Hypers on this board/CPU combo

beep, did you smoke a joint before you made that post?

2.) what are you smoking, well over 2000+ on deneb..........

What am I smoking? ..."I only had 5 joints, thats all"

[chew*]

890, maybe thats a little more believable

For 890 your still along ways off from where you should be.......890 is a peice of cake...

User Rol-co did this when 890 boards launched on a very premature bios. He also mentioned that it was the Absolute Limit.

[Barr3l Rid3r]

Here's mine. They have been higher, but I honestly, haven't tried to even run this faster since I use my muskin's for 24/7 and my STT's for benching. Don't mind the bad time, it was in my 24/7 install of Win 7 64 bit.

http://hwbot.org/community/submissio...in_10sec_371ms

Edit: Realized I should mention what ram they are... They are Super Talent Chromes (2000 C8 stuff).

nice, vdimm used?

[BeepBeep2]

For 890 your still along ways off from where you should be.......890 is a peice of cake...

User Rol-co did this when 890 boards launched on a very premature bios.

[IMG]http://www.rol-co.nl/hwi/amd555/999-ch4.jpg[/]

Well first off I don't have that CPU anymore, my 565 seems weaker and my 1100T I must have no idea what I'm doing with. I can boot up to 2070 9-9-9 with the D9s at loose subtimings and 300ns (...) on the 1100T but 1940 looks to be around the window I can get stable with them @ 1.85v (Only ran the test for one and a half hours, didnt take a screen)

I strongly doubt I'll be able to find any setting that will net me more...maybe I'm not seeing something. Am I not?

OT
I got my new multimeter today, kind of excited about that

[Barr3l Rid3r]

Well first off I don't have that CPU anymore, my 565 seems weaker and my 1100T I must have no idea what I'm doing with. I can boot up to 2070 9-9-9 with the D9s at loose subtimings and 300ns (...) on the 1100T but 1940 looks to be around the window I can get stable with them @ 1.85v (Only ran the test for one and a half hours, didnt take a screen)

I strongly doubt I'll be able to find any setting that will net me more...maybe I'm not seeing something. Am I not?

definately we are missing some adjust... we shouldn't need more than 1,70v to reach 1900mhz 7-7-7-21

[chew*]

The key to testing is to start at a stable point inch your way up till unstable, make small changes 1 at a time till stable again.

You are using a shotgun approach and expect to just voila 2000+ hyper stable?

It just doesn't work that way.

Secondly I wasted weeks possibly months trying to get hypers stable not just benchable at higher latencies higher speeds, it's just not happening, Infrared also has gtx2 and arrived at same conclusion.....

3rd it's slower than tight 6-6-6 so why even bother?

Even 1000 6-7-6 is not touching 6-6-6 1900........

[BeepBeep2]

The key to testing is to start at a stable point inch your way up till unstable, make small changes 1 at a time till stable again.

You are using a shotgun approach and expect to just voila 2000+ hyper stable?

It just doesn't work that way.

I'm not expecting anything above 1890 stable on Hypers, what I do expect is somthing better than what I got on Deneb which apparently sucked too (my 1M result was also on the release bios) any time I go above 1930 on thuban its just asking for an instant BSOD (I thought these IMC's were stronger with Hyper too, not just PSC and D9?)

I guess I'll start at 1800 C7, run two hours and work my way up, when it fails 2 hours I'll back it down one notch and try again. I already did this before with drive strengths, none of them give me a noticable increase so I've left them at auto for the time being. That leaves bank interleaving which has a huge effect on performance as well as subtimings left to tweak, even though I still cant boot any higher with the absolute loosest subs avail. (Could tightening them seriously give me gains?)

Secondly I wasted weeks possibly months trying to get hypers stable not just benchable at higher latencies higher speeds, it's just not happening, Infrared also has gtx2 and arrived at same conclusion.....

3rd it's slower than tight 6-6-6 so why even bother?

Even 1000 6-7-6 is not touching 6-6-6 1900........

I cant bench at 1900 7-7-7 and haven't done anything to be able to bench that high yet so obviously I'm a lost sheep.

D9's I think I could bench at 2000 to 2050, I can boot at 2070 9-9-9 but no stability past 1940, I guess that would be more similar to what others can do Mhz wise with Hypers, no?

[chew*]

It's already been stated many times before hypers gain no headroom on thuban versus deneb least if we are talking performance wise, in fact at same clocks you lose performance.

The boards make it easier to run higher at the cost of performance as was seen in the ddr III challenge........other than that no diff.

Hypers just do not agree with thuban to well.

Your D9 issues are quite simple, your sending high volts into an IMC that does not like high volts.

Let me plug you into 120v and see how well you operate in a condition you don't like operating in.

[BeepBeep2]

It's already been stated many times before hypers gain no headroom on thuban versus deneb least if we are talking performance wise, in fact at same clocks you lose performance.

The boards make it easier to run higher at the cost of performance as was seen in the ddr III challenge........other than that no diff.

Hypers just do not agree with thuban to well.

Your D9 issues are quite simple, your sending high volts into an IMC that does not like high volts.

Let me plug you into 120v and see how well you operate in a condition you don't like operating in.

Hypers -
I'm not talking performance, strictly clock speeds for the moment. I cant match my Deneb's clock speeds on Thuban, I find that peculiar. My 565 even, 1880 failed blend at 52 minutes, yet running blend at 1880 on thuban = lockup within 3 seconds of test starting. I also had shown that 1 hour stable "bull" at 1845 6-6-6 @ 1.74v on my 965

I remember you saying 1.75v+ was pointless on thuban, but I'm only running 1.75-1.8v in blend, is that .05v difference really hurting me THAT much?...or are these sticks as hard as Hyper to stabilize?

[chew*]

Hypers -
I'm not talking performance, strictly clock speeds for the moment. I cant match my Deneb's clock speeds on Thuban, I find that peculiar. My 565 even, 1880 failed blend at 52 minutes, yet running blend at 1880 on thuban = lockup within 3 seconds of test starting. I also had shown that 1 hour stable "bull" at 1845 6-6-6 @ 1.74v on my 965

I remember you saying 1.75v+ was pointless on thuban, but I'm only running 1.75-1.8v in blend, is that .05v difference really hurting me THAT much?...or are these sticks as hard as Hyper to stabilize?

I don't even run 1.7v on thuban.......

What has always worked for me is Pretending to know less and willing to Learn more.

New CPU = throw everything i know out the window even if the same model.......and learn all over again.

No one teaches me this stuff, there is no leprechaun from AMD whispering settings in my ear........

[ChanceCoats123]

nice, vdimm used?

1.7 vdimm, 1.485 vcore, 1.375 cpu-nb.

[I.nfraR.ed]

When I aimed for 24/7 stability with GTX2 + Thuban the starting point was 1800 6-6-6-18-24 1T 90ns 1.65V. Then I went up till it refused to scale.
1845 needed 1.69V to pass 700+ % memtest and 8h+ Prime95. The interesting thing however was that the same settings but vDIMM higher than 1.7V meant failure. IIRC, I tried up to 1.825V, no effect...even worse.
This could be that GTX2 doesn't like high voltage when tortured for stability, or the IMC just goes nuts with high volts on the ram. It was on M4A89GTD and early bios, haven't tried since then.
Pi32M is way more tolerant and could be completed at close to or over 1900 with the same volts and timings (if I'm not mistaken). They also can handle more volts for benchmarking and achieve higher frequencies even with 6-6-6-18.

I'm not sure what advice should give...you might have damaged your 1100's IMC, or it's just a poor one. I might try to see how far I can go with STT2000C8 on the 890GX board in the weekend, just for you. Hope I will have time. I don't have air-cooling, but will use the box-cooler, it should be sufficient.

[chew*]

chew's parents were a CPU and a stick of RAM - and you wonder why you can't match him?

This is the way I tune---- and that's when I have a lot of time on my hands when I'm rushed it gets worse

This is the way chew* tunes------------

That's pure funny and true...

I fell off my chair!

You guys are funny.

In all seriousness this is how i'm able to do things.

At the age of 5 I was clinically diagnosed with ADHD, still have it to this day.

They tried drugs on me, I was 1 of the 5% it had a reverse effect on which usally denotes a very severe case of ADHD.

Most people with ADHD are scatter brains, they use more of they'e brain than "normal" people but 99% can not control they're thoughts.

It's a huge disadvantage but 1% of severely effected can learn to control it, twist it and use it to they're advantage.

Basically if you can take all that scatter brain activity and can turn it all into one cohesive thought process......need I say more?

I like to call the end result tunnel vision.

I clipped this from the web, describe anyone you know?

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Enthusiasm is also a thing people who suffer from ADD share. Because sometimes, people feel bored and frustrated by the work they have to do, an ADD person would go on the lookout for other interesting places. There is a lot of pleasure and satisfaction derived from the fact that they are able reach a goal.

Many individuals feel inadequate to accomplish certain things in life.Additionally, persons may experience problems dealing with capability issues. However, people suffering from ADD love to embark on seemingly impossible quests and prove the others wrong. Some famous people with ADD include Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Edison who felt the urge to discover something really important during their lifetimes.

Another capacity brought on by ADD is the ability to hyper focus on things. For instance, if one sees something they want to achieve, then he or she will make a great endeavor out of focusing on that objective and will be obstinate about not letting go what he or she has attained.

Having the necessary strength to pass through difficult times is another of the vital ADHD benefits. ADDers are constantly challenged by things and this fact is a positive one, because they can then spring back from a mistake or problem and prove to all that they can do it right. Therefore, obstacles only make ADD people even more fierce and competitive.

A freqent benefit of ADHD is a great sense of humor. A good sense of humor seems innate in people suffering from ADD and ADHD, because you are thinking about something you need to ensure that you have the ability to take things the light way. Some famous people with ADHD who became well known comedians include Robin Williams and Whoopi Goldberg.

Having the necessary strength to pass through difficult times is another of the vital ADHD benefits. ADDers are constantly challenged by things and this fact is a positive one, because they can then spring back from a mistake or problem and prove to all that they can do it right. Therefore, obstacles only make ADD people even more fierce and competitive.

ADDers are wonderful creators when it comes to being able to strike a chord, innovate something or introduce a new idea. Therefore, it is really beneficial to include an ADD person in whatever you are trying to accomplish. This will ensure that brainstorming will never run dry.

[BeepBeep2]

So I throw in the STT DDR3-2200 C8 kit, boot up at 1830 7-8-7-24 1.65v, one of the DLLs needed for LAN connectivity are corrupt now, and a diagnostic service wont start up therefore no internet.
Quick 2M run at 1830 7-8-7 failed at loop 4, in fact this is the exact same two sticks that did 1M at 1950 on my 965. To confirm the 2M result and broken startup services I loaded up blend and started the test - three cores failed with "rounding expected less than 0.4xxxxx, returned 0.5" or whatever, a second later BSOD for win2k.sys.

rediculous. either my sticks are dead, my IMC is dead (I was booting D9s at 2000 CL9 1.75v just a minute before I swapped out) or I've done something extremely dumb

EDIT: Now get this -
Swap 2200 C8 sticks at 1800 7-8-7-24 1.65v in bios, for 2000 C7 bin sticks. No CMOS reset, just swap, same settings. Boot up, move HTT ref to 238 - 1910 7-8-7 1.65v and no BSOD and even furthermore, 2M passed easily

So this leaves two possiblilties-
1. My 2200 C8 kit has a bad stick or has severely degraded (remember my 1950 7-8-7 1M result)
2. This board (and possibly other ASUS boards) has severe RAM compatibility problems with STT kits

EDIT 2:
Oh looky there, I've reached nearly 2000 C7 suicide on these sticks now...that's definately odd considering I've left all subs, drives, and interleaving on AUTO after swapping kits without a CMOS reset

[ChanceCoats123]

I would probably say it's a board compatibility issue. I've seen a lot of people have issues with STT sticks. BUT, I don't know how you're treated your chips and it could be degradation.

[BeepBeep2]

I would probably say it's a board compatibility issue. I've seen a lot of people have issues with STT sticks. BUT, I don't know how you're treated your chips and it could be degradation.

My 2200 C8's I do not recall giving them more than 1.71v, they may have seen 1.75 for benchmarking once or twice. They've been in storage for a good 5 months.
My 2000 C7's (the better ones) have seen 1.75v in Prime95 Blend for hours, but I've not noticed any degradation since they should still do 1800 6-6-6-18 at 1.71v stable like they did in the past.

Considering how unstable the 2200 sticks were at 1830 7-8-7 I think it would be safe to say they wouldn't be stable at 1800 under any CAS latency, at least on this CPU/board/bios combo but then again my 1M result with the 965BE was on THIS board.