Japan quakes

[saaya]

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/28_20.html

I don't get it... the rods melted, but how did the material leave the pressure vessel, the containment vessel, enter the pump pump building and then leak there? 0_o

[generics_user]

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/28_20.html

I don't get it... the rods melted, but how did the material leave the pressure vessel, the containment vessel, enter the pump pump building and then leak there? 0_o

through the steam pipe from the core (where the cooling water normally boils evaporates and drives the steam turbines)?

[the finisher]

I came across this song on youtube and I figured I'd share it. It's been posted up for a while but I doubt you've seen it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-PjxqTozhs
Everything happening to Japan makes me terribly sad. Thinking about how many individuals and their lives, their friends and family, the children and the elder were affected instead of numbers really makes the sadness hit home.

Yes, I feel the same God bless Japan.

[Dave_Sz]

The more I read about this stuff the more sad I get. My GFs mother is in Japan at the moment and so is most of her family. Thankfully most are in the south and only a few are from Tokyo.
I can't think of a place on earth less deserving of all these disasters than Japan.

[AceBaran]

I totally agree with this Quote.

"Venus Project is neo-Marxism with a hightech overlay. Total Tyranny!
In fundamentalist type fashion, it's hard to find a advocate of Venus project that disagrees with certain elements of the design. They just recite Jacque Fresco without critically thinking of its flaws. If one disagrees with VP, they get labeled as not comprehending it, which isn't necessarily true. This nose in the air attitude with a pseudo-intellectual lisp was a red flag to me that VP has a science fiction fanboy cult following."

Yes, I feel the same God bless Japan.

Hi Finisher,

I dont want to hijack the thread, and ive learned not to debate with people who are religious... (im not judging!) its just pointless. Lets agree to disagree

On topic: What a nightmare, my heart goes out to all the victims of this on going catastrophy....

[Kal-EL]

The more I read about this stuff the more sad I get. My GFs mother is in Japan at the moment and so is most of her family. Thankfully most are in the south and only a few are from Tokyo.
I can't think of a place on earth less deserving of all these disasters than Japan.

I wouldnt wish this on the MOST deserving place on Earth. I came across this video just now and Mother Nature is uber scary when she's pissed. Utterly terrifying.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tsYjAOK-es

[Buckeye]

Seems that is not Japan

This footage is from the Mexicali's easter quake in 4/4/2010

[pcwhisperer]

I sat next to a real nuclear scientist on an airplane sometime back. According to Him, new tech reactors could get 30 to 50 times the original power from the spent "waste" fuel stored all over the US.
The waste from this would be safer, long term than what we have now. Truly, technology is the source, and solution for many of our collective problems.

Bubble fusion sounds very interesting, however lets not lose sight that we need power now, in the near future, and the distant future. Lets not get them confused.

Of course with all the scare tactics, and Utopian thinking these days, this seems unlikely. This extreme socialist crap is more likely to lead somewhere very bad if history repeats it's self, and it does.

I totally agree with this Quote.

"Venus Project is neo-Marxism with a hightech overlay. Total Tyranny!
In fundamentalist type fashion, it's hard to find a advocate of Venus project that disagrees with certain elements of the design. They just recite Jacque Fresco without critically thinking of its flaws. If one disagrees with VP, they get labeled as not comprehending it, which isn't necessarily true. This nose in the air attitude with a pseudo-intellectual lisp was a red flag to me that VP has a science fiction fanboy cult following."

Look, i come here to find the latest news about the tragic catastrofe in a first world country that got beaten to a third world country overnight for many years to come and that continues to radiate danger harming a lot more by an event that, like it or not, writes all over the place :

I'm what happens when you don't synchronise responsibility with technological power !!!!!!

Not to read a inapropiate and immature rant about communist conspiracy hidden in the message. I never heard of jacque fresco, venus project or whatever, keep that nonsense outa here. No one is insinuating we don't need power. If we can behave, so can you.
If you can't , go to XSF.

Ok, thx.

[Gamekiller]

Not sure if you guys have seen this video of the tsunami yet:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ct9GEaWAmJg

I would have been super scared. o_o

[Dr_Swizz]

I recommend this article:
http://counterpunch.org/busby03282011.html
(the most interesting stuff begins in the middle of the article)

[pcwhisperer]

I recommend this article:
http://counterpunch.org/busby03282011.html
(the most interesting stuff begins in the middle of the article)

Indeed, good reading, thx Dr Swizz.

[saaya]

I recommend this article:
http://counterpunch.org/busby03282011.html
(the most interesting stuff begins in the middle of the article)

Thx, interesting article...

[the finisher]

Look, i come here to find the latest news about the tragic catastrofe in a first world country that got beaten to a third world country overnight for many years to come and that continues to radiate danger harming a lot more by an event that, like it or not, writes all over the place :

I'm(guessing this is) It's what happens when you don't synchronise responsibility with technological power !!!!!!

Not to read a inapropiate and immature rant about communist conspiracy hidden in the message. I never heard of jacque fresco, venus project or whatever, keep that nonsense outa here. No one is insinuating we don't need power. If we can behave, so can you.
If you can't , go to XSF.

Ok, thx.

Sorry, I'm not the one who brought that nonsense here, just responding to it. Perhaps you should be more observant to the posts before mine.
And I totally agree with your(corrected, so you don't read me wrong) statement I've highlighted.

My original point seems to be lost, that modern, clean, nuclear power will suffer greatly from this tragedy. Some may like this, I do not.
If this current avoidance of newly designed power plants is allowed to continue, well, it causes way more problems than it will solve.
I do believe this to be pertinent to the current situation/conversation, IMO. Probably not one shared by many.

Remember, this is an old POS plant here, it was scheduled to be shut down. Sadly, too late for the realities of the world.

And I am not religious, pretty much hate that. I do believe in something greater than myself, what ever you chose to call it.
I most definitely agree to disagree I ain't no troll

[the finisher]

Not sure if you guys have seen this video of the tsunami yet:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ct9GEaWAmJg

I would have been super scared. o_o

Terrifying That guy got major guts!

[deathman20]

Wow... amazing vid. That guy was NUTS for staying there and taping it. Then again if he left he might of not had lived just seeing how high that wall was around the shore there after the water went over the top.

Amazing footage.

[Dr_Swizz]

From /.:

"Radiation levels are skyrocketing around Japan's Fukushima nuclear plant as reports indicate that a radioactive core has overheated and melted through its containment vessel [CC] and onto a concrete floor. Radiation levels inside reactor two were recently gauged at 1,000 millisieverts per hour — a level so high that workers could only remain in the area for 15 minutes under current exposure guideline."

http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/1...e-at-Fukushima
Original source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...uclear-reactor

[BeepBeep2]

From /.:

"Radiation levels are skyrocketing around Japan's Fukushima nuclear plant as reports indicate that a radioactive core has overheated and melted through its containment vessel [CC] and onto a concrete floor. Radiation levels inside reactor two were recently gauged at 1,000 millisieverts per hour — a level so high that workers could only remain in the area for 15 minutes under current exposure guideline."

http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/1...e-at-Fukushima
Original source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...uclear-reactor

And here's the same story, told in a different way:
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/29_05.html

The media does a lot of dramatizing of information, kind of sad slashdot would resort to something like that to get views.

[dctokyo]

“Absorbed dose rate measurements accross Europe” – data provided by the EU’s EURDEP program shows that background radiation levels in many parts of Europe are higher than the levels recorded recently in Tokyo.
http://eurdepweb.jrc.ec.europa.eu/Pu...p/Default.aspx

Microsievert.net – A cool Japanese site that uses animations to visualize the comparative amounts of radioactive particles floating around the air in Japan. The recent measurements in Tokyo are shown to be below the world average.
http://microsievert.net/

[saaya]

So to all the people saying the water contamination isn't all that bad and will vanish quickly
It's 3000 times above limits today, 3x as high as yesterday, and that was measured 300 meter away of the pipes the reactor uses to blow out cooling water. So anybody want to take a guess how many million times above limits the water is at when it enters the ocean?
But sure, they don't want us to know to prevent a panic and measure far away hoping levels are much lower... and they probably are, but still way way high.

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/30_21.html

Even the water from reactors 5 and 6 they pump into the ocean have 1000 times higher isotope levels... those reactors were not damaged... so this makes it pretty obvious, doesn't it? This is a controlled release, and tepco has to stop their "whoops, strange, where does all that contaminated water come from" bullsht...

And the best part, they are draining water from reactor3 into the ocean??? The one that seems to be leaking plutonium? Great!
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/30_20.html

And they are officially considering to cover the whole reactor in concrete now...
But no, this isn't like chernobyl... not at all, all is fine...
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/30_18.html

[stangracin3]

it looks like the President of the power company has been hospitalized due to high blood pressure.
anyone wanna take a guess why he has high blood pressure?


one more question.
whose bright idea was it to put a nuke plant next to an ocean in a known earthquake area

[vitaminc]

it looks like the President of the power company has been hospitalized due to high blood pressure.
anyone wanna take a guess why he has high blood pressure?


one more question.
whose bright idea was it to put a nuke plant next to an ocean in a known earthquake area

Its very likely fake. Japanese love to use health as a reason to hide out from the media. Either way its a massive failure in Japanese central planning in a much worse way than Bush/Katrina or Obama/BP spill.

Can't blame anyone; people always underestimate the power of nature disaster. The plants themselves were fine from the quakes and it was the water cooling system going FUBAR by the tsunami.

All Japanese island is prone to earthquakes but they HAVE to have nuclear power for strategic reasons. They will continue to be deploying nuclear power after the current media siege slows.

[Think]

Well better latter then never. I mentioned several times that it was very obvious that the damage was not controllable and should be buried. Now get it over with for god sakes. They've done enough irreparable damage.

[pcwhisperer]

“Absorbed dose rate measurements accross Europe” – data provided by the EU’s EURDEP program shows that background radiation levels in many parts of Europe are higher than the levels recorded recently in Tokyo.
http://eurdepweb.jrc.ec.europa.eu/Pu...p/Default.aspx

Microsievert.net – A cool Japanese site that uses animations to visualize the comparative amounts of radioactive particles floating around the air in Japan. The recent measurements in Tokyo are shown to be below the world average.
http://microsievert.net/

The logical conclusion would be to ask our goverments to blow a few plants so our level drops too ?
Zapping on tv, a newsreader : but one would have to drink the whole ocean before health is affected.

Aah our trustworty masters, don't they realise this fine and transparent communication ads to the resistence

Thanx for that european level link dctokyo , appreciated.

[saaya]

Radiation in sea water reaches new record, 4400x legal limit
High radiation levels detected outside the 30km radius, not by tepco or the Japanese gov of course... by the IAEA...

[saaya]

Radiation in sea water reaches new record, 4400x legal limit
High radiation levels detected outside the 30km radius, not by tepco or the Japanese gov of course... by the IAEA...

They measured levels twice as high as the international limit for when an area has to be evacuated. 40km away from fukushima...

But don't worry! It's all fine! Radiation is way overhyped... don't you remember the teenage mutant ninja turtles and hulk? Radioactivity is cool! Our kids will get super powers and all!
Actually there isn't even a reason reactors need walls at all, we could pile up rods in the open and use them for a campfire... its just for those waaay sensitive whiny hippies without any b4lls who are too scared something COULD go wrong...

I for one say, radioactivity is not our enemy but our friend, and we should embrace tiberium! Errr radioactivity...
-Kane errr Kan