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    Signs of 'alien life' found in meteorites (pic included)

    http://www.abc.net.au/science/articl...07/3156819.htm

    http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/201103/r729674_5869725.jpg


    Signs of 'alien life' found in meteorites

    Monday, 7 March 2011 Deborah Zabarenko
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    A NASA scientist reports detecting tiny fossilised bacteria on three meteorites, and maintains these microscopic life forms are not native to Earth.

    If confirmed, this research would suggest life in the universe is widespread and life on Earth may have come from elsewhere in the solar system, riding to our planet on space rocks like comets, moons and other astral bodies.

    The study, published online in The Journal of Cosmology, is considered so controversial it is accompanied by a statement from the journal's editor seeking other scientific comment.

    The central claim of the study by astrobiologist Richard Hoover is that there is evidence of microfossils similar to cyanobacteria - blue-green algae, also known as pond scum - on the freshly fractured inner surfaces of three meteorites.

    These microscopic structures had lots of carbon, a marker for Earth-type life, and almost no nitrogen, says Hoover.

    He says nitrogen can also be a sign of Earthly life, but the lack of it only means that whatever nitrogen was in these structures has decomposed out into a gaseous form long ago.

    "We have known for a long time that there were very interesting biomarkers in carbonaceous meteorites and the detection of structures that are very similar ... to known terrestrial cyanobacteria is interesting in that it indicates that life is not restricted to the planet Earth," says Hoover.

    Hoover, based at NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center in Alabama, has specialised in the study of microscopic lifeforms that survive extreme environments such as glaciers, permafrost and geysers.
    Not the first time

    He is not the first to claim discovery of microscopic life from other worlds.

    In 1996, NASA scientists presented research indicating a 4-billion-year-old meteorite found in Antarctica carried evidence of fossilized microbial life from Mars.

    The initial discovery of the so-called Mars meteorite was greeted with acclaim and the rock unveiled at a standing room-only briefing at NASA headquarters in Washington.

    Since then, however, criticism has surrounded that discovery and conclusive proof has been elusive.

    Hoover's research may well meet the same fate. In a statement published with the online paper, the Journal of Cosmology's editor in chief, Rudy Schild, said in a statement:

    "Dr Richard Hoover is a highly respected scientist and astrobiologist with a prestigious record of accomplishment at NASA. Given the controversial nature of his discovery, we have invited 100 experts and have issued a general invitation to over 5000 scientists from the scientific community to review the paper and to offer their critical analysis."
    Lukewarm response

    But another NASA researcher has greeted the paper's claims with scepticism.

    "Many scientists have examined thousands of meteorites in detail over the past 50 years without finding any evidence of fossil life," David Morrison, senior scientist at the NASA Astrobiology Institute at Ames Research Centre, said in an email to MSNBC.

    "Further, we know a great deal about the conditions on the parent objects of the meteorites, which (not counting the few meteorites from the moon and Mars) were rather small, not at all like planets.

    "I would therefore invoke Carl Sagan's famous advice that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

    "At a bare minimum this would require publication in a prestigious peer-refereed scientific journal - which this is not. Cyanobacteria on a small airless world sounds like a joke. Perhaps the publication came out too soon; more appropriate would have been on April 1."
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    quick someone argue with him, I can't since he's making perfect sense

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    I tend to agree with the skeptics views (assuming that all facts, on both sides, are correct - a large assumption). If it is well known that the meteorite came from a small body with no atmosphere, algae-like bacteria being native to the rock prior to its falling to Earth is unlikely at best. And peer-reviewed journal entries really are the testing place for such discoveries, not simply inviting experts, and there's a reason for that.

    Between the issues with appropriately dating meteorites, proving there is no earthly contamination on a rock that's been here for millions or billions of years, and the fact that sometimes things look like other things (eg. you crack open enough rocks looking for a specific imprint, eventually you'll find one even if it's just formed by a gas pocket or some such), it's extraordinarily difficult to claim that anything so far "discovered" is proof.
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    I completely agree Serra, i tought it was still interesting enough to share.
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    Looks like NASA immediately discounted this "discovery". I was watching the news and the highlights were:

    - The man is not a PhD, despite what is recorded in his article
    - No-one has yet found another scientist who agrees with these findings
    - A photograph comparison on one of the three meteorites used showed that between when it was originally photographed and recent times, the meteor had developed a number of new cracks which are believed to be due to humidity... meaning it hadn't exactly been kept in a way that would preclude contamination
    - The journal the article was written in is a journal based on proving that life developed extra-terrestrially (and has so far helped prove nothing), and even they admit that they're only running it despite its lack of evidence because they're failing and wanted to attract investors

    So... the story is 100% misinformation, but still being spread like wildfire.
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    erm does one have to have a degree to show the picture of alien to the rest of the crowd ?
    Is this science or bureaucracy ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cooper View Post
    erm does one have to have a degree to show the picture of alien to the rest of the crowd ?
    Is this science or bureaucracy ?
    If you pair the picture with a statement thats supposed to ratle some age old tought processes, a degree and proof certainly wouldent hurt .

    Personally, i think that proof of life in the universe would be even
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    Yay.. space worms...
    Can't wait to run into those nasty things... :\

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    I strongly disbelieve that organic life can travel through the vacuum of space on a rock, survive and colonise on other rocks.

    Otherwise, feel free to shoot me into space inside a giant rock :p

    Disclaimer - even if its possible for life to survive on a comet while traveling in space, I would actually prefer not to be shot out of orbit inside any kind of rock or capsule.

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    anybody who claims something so substantial with nothing solid as proof isnt looking for the truth but for a way to prove HIS truth...

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    Quote Originally Posted by NEOAethyr View Post
    Yay.. space worms...
    Can't wait to run into those nasty things... :\
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    Quote Originally Posted by bhavv View Post
    I strongly disbelieve that organic life can travel through the vacuum of space on a rock, survive and colonise on other rocks.

    Otherwise, feel free to shoot me into space inside a giant rock :p

    Disclaimer - even if its possible for life to survive on a comet while traveling in space, I would actually prefer not to be shot out of orbit inside any kind of rock or capsule.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tardigrade

    Watched a documentary along time ago on tv where they said these things can survive in tokamak fusion reactors ^^.
    Teddy bears... lol.

    Recent DNA and RNA sequencing data indicate that tardigrades are the sister group to the arthropods and Onychophora.[21] These groups have been traditionally thought of as close relatives of the annelids,[22] but newer schemes consider them Ecdysozoa, together with the roundworms (Nematoda) and several smaller phyla.
    Round worms, that's what those space bacteria stuff looks like to me, micro sized round worms...
    Or maybe not..., I don't know what round worms look like under the scope, and I don't really want to know either lol.
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