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    Cascade usage question

    If a board is well insulated and the user can afford the cost of power is there any reason a cascade couldn't be used on a daily basis for 8 hours a day 5 days a week?
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    No, The only issue is the oil slowly logging in the evap or interage-HX (on a 3 stage) depending on how cold of a cascade your runnig. One could be used 24/7 wih a few warm-up/defrost cycles a day to say ~- 60c just log enough to thaw any oil if the cascade is .
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    Yeah that is a good point, at some level these oil separators are not 100%. So at some point, there will indeed be oil.


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    Quote Originally Posted by wdrzal View Post
    No, The only issue is the oil slowly logging in the evap or interage-HX (on a 3 stage) depending on how cold of a cascade your runnig. One could be used 24/7 wih a few warm-up/defrost cycles a day to say ~- 60c just log enough to thaw any oil if the cascade is .
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    Where I live it is so humid in the summer it would be difficult to insulate well enough for 24/7 running especially at times when there wasn't much heatload.
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    Quote Originally Posted by closeracing View Post
    Where I live it is so humid in the summer it would be difficult to insulate well enough for 24/7 running especially at times when there wasn't much heatload.
    Its not that hard to do at all. I do this all the time here for my builds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckeye View Post
    Its not that hard to do at all. I do this all the time here for my builds.
    In Stockton yes, in SW. Missouri not so much. I use 2 layers of closed cell foam,paper towel and art eraser on the back of the mobo, eraser paper towel on the front, dielectric grease in the cpu and 1st ram socket. In the summer I get condensation on top of everything including the back plate unless I bench the whole time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by closeracing View Post
    In Stockton yes, in SW. Missouri not so much. I use 2 layers of closed cell foam,paper towel and art eraser on the back of the mobo, eraser paper towel on the front, dielectric grease in the cpu and 1st ram socket. In the summer I get condensation on top of everything including the back plate unless I bench the whole time.
    Ah yes, some places this can be a problem
    I would conformal coat the whole motherboard, plus everything else that you listed.

    But not much you can do if it gets that bad where you live.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckeye View Post
    Ah yes, some places this can be a problem
    I would conformal coat the whole motherboard, plus everything else that you listed.

    But not much you can do if it gets that bad where you live.
    I have and it works just a pain if I ever need to rma
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    Quote Originally Posted by closeracing View Post
    In Stockton yes, in SW. Missouri not so much. I use 2 layers of closed cell foam,paper towel and art eraser on the back of the mobo, eraser paper towel on the front, dielectric grease in the cpu and 1st ram socket. In the summer I get condensation on top of everything including the back plate unless I bench the whole time.
    That's odd. I live in Atlanta where the humidity levels appear to be nearly identical and when I'm on cascade I have run it with a usage pattern that Scott has mentioned without any condensation problems. My suggestion is to use less eraser and more insulation. Eraser is just a sealant as I'm sure you have realized. It has just horrible insulating properties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [XC] gomeler View Post
    That's odd. I live in Atlanta where the humidity levels appear to be nearly identical and when I'm on cascade I have run it with a usage pattern that Scott has mentioned without any condensation problems. My suggestion is to use less eraser and more insulation. Eraser is just a sealant as I'm sure you have realized. It has just horrible insulating properties.
    Yes it does. I tried closed cell foam and I still got it at the first ram slot and the fan plug above the cpu. As long as the system is under load no problems but if idling in windows web surfing I get condensation after awhile. If you have any suggestions I'd be grateful. Last time I had an issue I posted those pics and most people said it was overkill
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    ^^^^ Are You Controlling the humidity where the unit is located ????? When Humidity is 90% to 100% condasation will build much faster than one could hope it to evaporate. everyone ^^^^ is correct...more insulation & a good vapor barrier.

    If your using extreme cooling on a Pc I would think one would take care of personal comfort and be in a air conditioned room. A dehumidfier would also help. The cooler,the drier the air the better. Condersation would be less in winter because colder air holds less moisture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wdrzal View Post
    ^^^^ Are You Controlling the humidity where the unit is located ????? When Humidity is 90% to 100% condasation will build much faster than one could hope it to evaporate. everyone ^^^^ is correct...more insulation & a good vapor barrier.

    If your using extreme cooling on a Pc I would think one would take care of personal comfort and be in a air conditioned room. A dehumidfier would also help. The cooler,the drier the air the better. Condersation would be less in winter because colder air holds less moisture.
    My pc is in a small room inside a metal building and there is a large window ac in the wall. Even though it's comfortable it's still humid in there, not in the winter, but summertime can be pretty bad. As long as I just use it for benching I'm fine
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    Damn Dumo, I remember that one.
    Those were the days, no plate hx, self coiled, those 1/3hp matsua's are still kicking for you?


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    lol, what's the point having cascade 24/7 ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TiN_ View Post
    lol, what's the point having cascade 24/7 ?
    i was thinking the same

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    Well if you don't pay the electric, to be awesome. Or have some super performance all the time. But I would have to agree, even phase is a bit much unless you just want to be a break neck about it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by closeracing View Post
    In Stockton yes, in SW. Missouri not so much. I use 2 layers of closed cell foam,paper towel and art eraser on the back of the mobo, eraser paper towel on the front, dielectric grease in the cpu and 1st ram socket. In the summer I get condensation on top of everything including the back plate unless I bench the whole time.
    is that full cover water block a condensation magnet as well? (if your running a water chiller)

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnksss View Post
    is that full cover water block a condensation magnet as well? (if your running a water chiller)
    No, just ambient.
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    [QUOTE=Dumo;4770829]3 months, 6 hours daily

    Is that continious? If not Did you have it under load the entire time it was running?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TiN_ View Post
    lol, what's the point having cascade 24/7 ?
    When I first started using a pc for work they were 386,486,486DX2......Running auto cad or a CFD program (sinda/fluint) you spent a lot of time looking at the hour glass. Those early pc's didn't even have a floating decimal point,you had to add a math co-processer.

    I never even thought about cooling a pc in the 80's to make it run faster and you needed ever clock cycle you could get. This is probably why overclocking started.
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    Sure, I'm old enough to catch that time, first own PC was 8086 clone with 640KB memory
    But today, cascade on NF4 hm
    Anyway, thanks for info, useful!
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    In the comercial units, we delog for 10 minutes every 8 hours.

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    Well, back on those days copper pot making was on its early stages. The only way to push FX55/57 was to cool it colder than single stage...not to mention difficulties with cold bug

    24/7 was not, but extended sessions of benching were fun
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