Who's waiting for Nikon D800 and Canon 5D-MK3 ? Releasing this FEB/MARCH?

[Hondacity]

It is my opinion that the increase in sensor size vs image quality is a function of diminishing returns. There is a fantastical allure to full frame that leads people to believe that they need to buy full frame in order to have top notch image quality.

yep thats your opinion...

[1ke]

Yes, there are still such things as bad cameras...

[Kallenator]

It is my opinion that the increase in sensor size vs image quality is a function of diminishing returns. There is a fantastical allure to full frame that leads people to believe that they need to buy full frame in order to have top notch image quality.

FF DSLR cameras do deliver better image quality as far as technical aspects are concerned, ISO noise especially.

I feel FF has some sort of buttery smooth degree to them which I can't fully explain, probably just my mind getting in the way.

Awaiting reasonably priced FF bridge cameras with EF mount

Yes, there are still such things as bad cameras...

This however is not the bottleneck, the "idiot" behind the dials are

[1ke]

So true. It appears that there are a lot more of those than bad cameras.



I would also prefer if you all ready my post more carefully. I never said full frame was equal to or worse than APS-C. I was just explaining that there isn't a quantum leap between them that so many people think exists. I also argue that the price doesn't justify the purchase if you are looking for top notch pictures. I've taken outstanding pictures, with an Olympus E-3, which is a quarter of the size as full frame. All this goes back to what Kallenator just said:

This however is not the bottleneck, the "idiot" behind the dials are

[Hondacity]

i agree wit yah both...

but then again i can get these..so yeah

[cesarx]

I will upgrade from the D5000 to the D800 when it comes out... Want a new nikon body to match my lenses bouffet.. Nice thread BTW

[1ke]

No can do without changing out your lenses. D800 will be FX format.

[Kallenator]

You don't what kind of lenses he has

[Mescalamba]

Modern FF cameras (current production) are better than APS-C. Maybe not in every aspect (AF in 5DMK2 is quite in/famous), but in final image quality, they are.

And probably they will continue in that, cause you simply can squeeze bit more of electronics and pixels on bigger sensor and in bigger body. In case of cameras, bigger is usually better.

But you can make great photos even with old film camera.

[lkiller123]

This however is not the bottleneck, the "idiot" behind the dials are

Wholeheartedly agreed. I don't have a spectacular camera, only a little P&S, but I think I take okay pictures.

[itznfb]

Modern FF cameras (current production) are better than APS-C. Maybe not in every aspect (AF in 5DMK2 is quite in/famous), but in final image quality, they are.

And probably they will continue in that, cause you simply can squeeze bit more of electronics and pixels on bigger sensor and in bigger body. In case of cameras, bigger is usually better.

But you can make great photos even with old film camera.

Not necessarily true. The D300s has higher image quality than the D700 at base ISO. The D300s/D90 have a nearly perfect pixel density and the sharpness capabilities are second to only the D3s/D3x. In available light I'll take my D300s over my D700 every time.

[Kallenator]

Woot! Would you mind showing us? Just out of technical curiosity.

[1ke]

preferably shots from your 70-200mm. That lens is spectacular! I'm not looking forward to using the Sigma version for the SD1

[itznfb]

Yea. I'll most likely be out shooting in the morning on Friday so I'll see if I can setup some test scenarios.

[cesarx]

No can do without changing out your lenses. D800 will be FX format.

good point, then the new DX body should be the D400? the D300s sucesor with the new improved sensor and the full HD video capabilities.

[itznfb]

Yes the D400 should be the next APS-C professional body.

[1ke]

I'm betting 5D Mark II successor will be announced at March 1 press conference. So far Canon has released consumer lineup for 2011 but no Pro stuff.

[Mescalamba]

D300s over D700? Huh.. want to see that. I saw lots of really good photos from D300s but never thought its that good..

[itznfb]

I went to the zoo today but I didn't really get a chance to setup an actual test. There were too many people there and I had to leave early for a work issue. Plus it was too bright with many clouds so the light kept changing between shots... I might have taken a few that I could directly compare but I'll have to go through them later.

[Kallenator]

No rush, take it when the opportunity invites itself =)

[uOpt]

A 5D3 and D800 release is good. Adds pressure to the prices of used 1Ds2s

[lkiller123]

Just found the Lumix DMC-L1 around the Internet; wonder why no one has done this yet.

Through the use of Porro Prism, you can achieve a small, rangefinder-style body without being forced to eliminate the optical viewfinder. This is awesome!

[1ke]

Its called the Leica M9. Look it up, love it, and then, as one reviewer put it quite nicely, "sell the baby to buy one" (look at price tag)

[lkiller123]

Its called the Leica M9. Look it up, love it, and then, as one reviewer put it quite nicely, "sell the baby to buy one" (look at price tag)

No, the M9 is a rangefinder, but the DMC-L1 is a legit SLR.

Also, the M9 does not have a mirror viewfinder.

[Lestat]

if someone wanted to send me one of these for a few weeks i would be more than happy to prove just what more megapixels will get you....

http://www.amazon.com/Phase-One-Came...8412335&sr=1-9