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    I guess you guys running crossfire/sli will likely see any potential problem first. My UD5 & 2 X 3870X2's need 1.14v PCH to work properly so newer more powerful cards or 3 cards will likely mean more PCH


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    Quote Originally Posted by moshpit View Post
    I still get FULL performance and no bug, unlike your little TLB bug that there was no escape from.
    For the record, the TLB problem was never shown to cause crashes in the real world outside of people explicitly trying to trigger a TLB related crash. However, when something like that is widely known it gets blamed for EVERYTHING that ever goes wrong with a system from Joe Random's 5.2 GHz overclock triggering a BSOD to an nVidia GPU driver related crash.

    Come on. He's just trolling. Don't take the bait.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moshpit View Post
    Don't you wish. AMD fanboys are hooping and hollering, but the funiest part? I still get FULL performance and no bug, unlike your little TLB bug that there was no escape from. A simple little port change, and I'm all good with zero problems AND enjoying performance you won't have even a shadow of until Bulldozer, and even then you'll be lucky to come close to catching up :p
    no escape lol - it was prevalent only in VM enviroments. Just take the picture as a funny stab and not personally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thematrixhazune View Post
    no escape lol - it was prevalent only in VM enviroments. Just take the picture as a funny stab and not personally.
    Some people can't.
    For what it's worth, my brother is using a TLB-affected 9600BE and has had no issues, even when running XP mode in win7.

    But TLB - and AMD - have nothing to do with the topic of the thread...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Particle View Post
    For the record, the TLB problem was never shown to cause crashes in the real world outside of people explicitly trying to trigger a TLB related crash. However, when something like that is widely known it gets blamed for EVERYTHING that ever goes wrong with a system from Joe Random's 5.2 GHz overclock triggering a BSOD to an nVidia GPU driver related crash.

    Come on. He's just trolling. Don't take the bait.
    Good call on not taking bait. Just irritated at opportunistic fanbois who've never even seen the performance I have taking cheap shots. It's Sour Grapes, pure and simple. But while they whine and cry, I'm still enjoying 100% stable, pure power they won't get even when Bulldozer does launch.

    Don't get me wrong though, I still fully intend to get one to play with for myself an make my own mind up on, but AMD has lost my faith in it's ability to execute on CPUs. I miss the K8 days

    But I don't miss my Sandy Bridge, it's staying, darnit!
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    So can you RMA the board even without explicit problems?

    And is there a way to induce the problem to ensure an RMA?

    I have not got one, but I would be trying to return it as soon as a replacement is available.
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    So there is ono oficial words about Laptops?. i just bough my SandyBridge based Notebook and im dissapointed because the fix here is not as easy as plug in other connector.
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    It effects ALL Sandy Bridge chipsets so far. Including your laptop.

    And I was going to buy one too... guess I will wait.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moshpit View Post
    Good call on not taking bait. Just irritated at opportunistic fanbois who've never even seen the performance I have taking cheap shots. It's Sour Grapes, pure and simple. But while they whine and cry, I'm still enjoying 100% stable, pure power they won't get even when Bulldozer does launch.

    Don't get me wrong though, I still fully intend to get one to play with for myself an make my own mind up on, but AMD has lost my faith in it's ability to execute on CPUs. I miss the K8 days

    But I don't miss my Sandy Bridge, it's staying, darnit!
    But when you make comments like that, you also come across as a fanboy too. It does go both ways. Just saying.

    However let's not turn this thread into any stupid AMD vs Intel nonsense. AMD has NO bearing on anything going on with this.
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    This is not the end for SB.

    Those who have MB will get a replacement, hopefully a Z68, LOL.
    The problem is identified and the fix will be out too. We can consider this as a 3-mounts delay for SB. I don't think Bulldozer can make a grand slam out of this delay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam_oslo View Post
    This is not the end for SB.

    Those who have MB will get a replacement, hopefully a Z68, LOL.
    The problem is identified and the fix will be out too. We can consider this as a 3-mounts delay for SB. I don't think Bulldozer can make a grand slam out of this delay.
    If BD can make a grand slam, even without this error, BD can make it.
    If BD is overhyped, this error cannot save AMD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    It effects ALL Sandy Bridge chipsets so far. Including your laptop.

    And I was going to buy one too... guess I will wait.
    Even then its more likely that other components fail before the SB.
    If you read the last staetments they said, the over the next 3 years the failure rate will increase by 5% and the longer past that you use it, the higher it will get.

    Its 2 times more likely that your 2GB WD caviar black fails or 2-3 times that your ram fials then your sata port on the P/H67 if we go by pure numbers.

    I didn't see someone made a big fuss about the 10% RMA rate of the caviar black...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hornet331 View Post
    Even then its more likely that other components fail before the SB.
    If you read the last staetments they said, the over the next 3 years the failure rate will increase by 5% and the longer past that you use it, the higher it will get.

    Its 2 times more likely that your 2GB WD caviar black fails or 2-3 times that your ram fials then your sata port on the P/H67 if we go by pure numbers.

    I didn't see someone made a big fuss about the 10% RMA rate of the caviar black...
    but i think the problem is far more severe than 10% rma

    if oem can stress the sata controllers and they fail in unusual rate after 3 weeks, i don't think the rma rate is only 5-15% after 3 years.

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    Ok,
    So I just had my UD7 die on me (unrelated as far as I can tell to this issue, I think i have a corrupted BIOS). What I am now wondering is how long it will take for me to get a replacement motherboard since they are no longer selling them. I am returning the board to my retailer but this is my only machine right now and I am seeing some people mention end of April
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    So summing up:
    1_Socket Burn
    2_SATA Degrade
    3_And if you have a Maximus IV Extreme USB doesn't work under heavy OC as written in this review
    Nice fail this P6x chipsets
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    Quote Originally Posted by qcmadness View Post
    but i think the problem is far more severe than 10% rma

    if oem can stress the sata controllers and they fail in unusual rate after 3 weeks, i don't think the rma rate is only 5-15% after 3 years.
    i agree with this
    if degradation can be seen in a few weeks, then it begs the question of how much time their really is.

    and what is normal expected usage? what kind of drain does a gamer use vs a media person, vs someone who does constant backups of their drives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loque View Post
    guess who else is not happy with this bug: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yEQSX4biR4

    Haha excellent, another parity with der untergang.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt.McRuff View Post
    ^This

    Planning on doing it myself, still figuring out how to test stability. (defently gotta double check everything else is 100% stable)

    If memory is right, had x58 SB running at 1v with out any trouble for 4 months.
    I tried dropping it to 0.75V on P8P67 and got no POST despite only having a DVD ROM hanging off the PCH.

    Nevermind, I heard from a major motherboard manufacturer saying they are doing a full blown recall and from what I've heard MSI are heading in the same direction. Should keep me busy for a while.
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    I've always hated using the 3rd party storage systems on motherboards but it looks like I'll have no choice now...

    I'm hoping they do a full recall as I don't want to play a guessing game about when my ports will fail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qcmadness View Post
    but i think the problem is far more severe than 10% rma

    if oem can stress the sata controllers and they fail in unusual rate after 3 weeks, i don't think the rma rate is only 5-15% after 3 years.
    But the OEMs are probably doing accelerated stress testing with increased heat and voltage to simulate years of normal stress. If the controllers were degrading in a few weeks after normal use, I think Intel would have caught it with their normal tests

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    Quote Originally Posted by moshpit View Post
    Don't you wish. AMD fanboys are hooping and hollering, but the funiest part? I still get FULL performance and no bug, unlike your little TLB bug that there was no escape from. A simple little port change, and I'm all good with zero problems AND enjoying performance you won't have even a shadow of until Bulldozer, and even then you'll be lucky to come close to catching up :p
    If after all this thread and all have came out you can say NO bug...just meh
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    Quote Originally Posted by accord99 View Post
    But the OEMs are probably doing accelerated stress testing with increased heat and voltage to simulate years of normal stress. If the controllers were degrading in a few weeks after normal use, I think Intel would have caught it with their normal tests
    This is correct. They are using artificially temperature inflated testing using "oven testing", where air flow is cut off and extra component heat is heavily simulated.
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    @SubZero.it
    That's probably because some people stress systems more then others.

    @accord99
    Intel should of caught this with there testing...
    It's obvious they plug the chip in, run a simple set of functionality tests and say it's all good to start mass producing.


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    Got a db error a min ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kattivo View Post
    I've always hated using the 3rd party storage systems on motherboards but it looks like I'll have no choice now...

    I'm hoping they do a full recall as I don't want to play a guessing game about when my ports will fail.
    Agreed, I always prefer native. Don't worry, as far as I know *insert board vendors name here* will terminate shipments, ask vendors, system builders etc to return un used products and ask users who already have affected products to wait until the replacements are ready then RMA the board.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moshpit View Post
    Good call on not taking bait. Just irritated at opportunistic fanbois who've never even seen the performance I have taking cheap shots. It's Sour Grapes, pure and simple. But while they whine and cry, I'm still enjoying 100% stable, pure power they won't get even when Bulldozer does launch.

    Don't get me wrong though, I still fully intend to get one to play with for myself an make my own mind up on, but AMD has lost my faith in it's ability to execute on CPUs. I miss the K8 days

    But I don't miss my Sandy Bridge, it's staying, darnit!
    But two processor failures (Pentium bug, PentiumIII 1.13 Ghz recall) and now two chipset recalls (915G/P & 925X, now 6 series) from Intel don't disturb your faith. Not a fanboy at all

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