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    Inetl's Linux Sandy Bridge Graphics Still Troubling

    Uh oh. Are inetl's drivers not up to par again??

    http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...y_breaks&num=2


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    oh this is not good it may not even be just drivers. i'm surprised this story passed under the radar.

    In talking over this situation with Keith Packard, who heads the Intel OSTC developers working on the Linux graphics code, the culprit for most of these issues may be within the Intel's Linux power management code for Sandy Bridge, but he shared they seem to be facing a number of platform-specific issues this generation so it could be a more isolated problem as well. There's also likely at least a second separate issue coming into play too and that's with the Mesa driver where some OpenGL games (such as Padman and OpenArena) are crashing gracefully but independent problems from the rest.
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    The next step in trying to get a Linux 2.6.38 Git kernel build to work and hopefully fix the Sandy Bridge issues was reverting back to the original Linux 2.6.35 kernel that ships with Ubuntu 10.10. But it turns out there too this problem can take place if you force the CPU load too high there with multiple threads, the system can also go down, but the problem just seems to be a lot easier to hit with the Linux 2.6.37 kernel.
    My next step was to verify this with one of the common OpenGL benchmarks. After a quick FORCE_TIMES_TO_RUN=1 phoronix-test-suite benchmark nexuiz had worked out with hardware acceleration, it appeared the situation was going easy again. With this Intel H67 + Intel Core i5 2500K system running Ubuntu 10.10 with the Linux 2.6.37 kernel, Mesa 7.11-devel, xf86-video-intel 2.14, and libdrm 2.4.23, I then decided to run the common OpenGL games such as those in the recent open-source ATI Mesa benchmarks. It's a simple, phoronix-test-suite batch-run vdrift nexuiz warsow openarena padman smokin-guns and selected 800 x 600, 1024 x 768, 1280 x 1024, and 1920 x 1080 as the resolutions for each test to see how well the Sandy Bridge graphics and driver were scaling. However, in the end, I did not have a single valid result for one reason or another with each test.

    VDrift ran the best overall, did not crash once even when testing it at all of the resolutions, and provided decent frame-rates, but there were random artifacts appearing on the screen. But this was just the start of the problems
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    Phew, was worried Intel's sandybridge had problems.
    Though drivers don't get enough attention/funding. Pointing fingers at you AMD too.

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    Open source drivers aren't completely stable on day one? All of the Linux gamers using a Sandybridge IGP must be fuming.

    Windows drivers for Cayman aren't even completely stable and have yet to see an update and it has been on the market for longer. I'm not going to link to all the threads that I have seen or experienced with strange artifacting.
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    Not only the IGP, but recent kernels won't even build properly. Poor collaboration indeed.

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    as long as i can play videos fine in ubuntu 11.04 with SB i dont care.
    we should all know that linux drivers can take some time to come out, give it a few months.
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    Is this a Charlie vindication thread? *shrugs*

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    Quote Originally Posted by mutantmagnet View Post
    Is this a Charlie vindication thread? *shrugs*
    Who's charlie?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mutantmagnet View Post
    Is this a Charlie vindication thread? *shrugs*
    lol just thought so... SB is released for bearly 2 weeks now.... wait 2 month and then we talk again about linux drivers...

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    Quote Originally Posted by flippin_waffles View Post
    Uh oh. Are inetl's drivers not up to par again??

    http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...y_breaks&num=2


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    oh this is not good it may not even be just drivers. i'm surprised this story passed under the radar.



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    Couple more quotes for context.
    UMMM your surprised? a couple things
    1: It's Linux so who cares
    2: How many people are buying Sandy to Use Linux on it right away?
    3: How many people are buying Sandy to use the IGP in Linux

    Unless I am unware of a underground Linux Intel IGP gaming movement then i could see how this got missed. I'm not saying it's ok for it not to work correctly but im not all to surprised that it got missed
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    Kinda closed minded thought process, the IGP on SB chips is more than enough for a dedicated linux box and even some of the fancier effects on compositing windows these days. If someone was looking to build a linux box a SB with IGP sounds like an attractive solution.

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    Yeah linux is pretty much unimportant for the big gfx suppliers... if you look at the evergreen family from ati, it also took them ages to get things out:

    http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...green_3d&num=1

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    Quote Originally Posted by spicypixel View Post
    Kinda closed minded thought process, the IGP on SB chips is more than enough for a dedicated linux box and even some of the fancier effects on compositing windows these days. If someone was looking to build a linux box a SB with IGP sounds like an attractive solution.
    /me raises hand

    I really only play Quake 1/2/3 and Unreal Tournament 99/2004 now. I've got a little e6300 XFX 9300 board that handles that just fine under linux

    There are a couple nice matx boards for SB that look attractive, and I could use another one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spicypixel View Post
    Kinda closed minded thought process, the IGP on SB chips is more than enough for a dedicated linux box and even some of the fancier effects on compositing windows these days. If someone was looking to build a linux box a SB with IGP sounds like an attractive solution.
    you kinda missed my point... of course SOME people could use it. but really how many people are we talking about? considering MOST people on this forum won't think of doing any of that the likely hood of many others doing it as well...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hornet331 View Post
    lol just thought so... SB is released for bearly 2 weeks now.... wait 2 month and then we talk again about linux drivers...
    I agree. I mean, look at Radeon 6970, the drivers are still meh... for Windows! I'm not talking about Linux...
    I am sure the decent support will be there, give it some time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zalbard View Post
    I agree. I mean, look at Radeon 6970, the drivers are still meh... for Windows! I'm not talking about Linux...
    I am sure the decent support will be there, give it some time.
    ya.. that is the only reason i am waiting to upgrade.
    it took long enough for my 4850X2 to be supported...
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    how is this news?

    "[insert latest hardware] is having driver difficulties" =! not news

    I vote thread deletion
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiro_uspsss View Post
    how is this news?

    "[insert latest hardware] is having driver difficulties" =! not news

    I vote thread deletion
    its news if ppl buy SB and want to put linux on the system, this might save them the trouble and until the driver issue's are fixed they could use windows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by god_43 View Post
    its news if ppl buy SB and want to put linux on the system, this might save them the trouble and until the driver issue's are fixed they could use windows.
    pfft. anyone who deals with linux & has 2 brain cells can guess that...

    "[insert latest hardware] is having driver difficulties"

    any hardware, any OS - if its the absolute latest, theres bound to be bumps
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiro_uspsss View Post
    how is this news?

    "[insert latest hardware] is having driver difficulties" =! not news

    I vote thread deletion
    It's news if you hate Intel like the OP :p

    Seems like an Onion News Network "story" headline:

    THIS JUST IN, SNB HAS BEEN OUT OVER A WEEK NOW AND LINUX DRIVERS STILL SUCK!!! OH THE HUMANITY
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    Quote Originally Posted by [XC] hipno650 View Post
    UMMM your surprised? a couple things
    1: It's Linux so who cares
    2: How many people are buying Sandy to Use Linux on it right away?
    3: How many people are buying Sandy to use the IGP in Linux

    Unless I am unware of a underground Linux Intel IGP gaming movement then i could see how this got missed. I'm not saying it's ok for it not to work correctly but im not all to surprised that it got missed
    Face effin palm. Gamer this gamer that, we're all gamers, right?

    Oh yes, I am using Intel IGP + linux on this laptop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tool_462 View Post
    It's news if you hate Intel like the OP :p

    Seems like an Onion News Network "story" headline:

    THIS JUST IN, SNB HAS BEEN OUT OVER A WEEK NOW AND LINUX DRIVERS STILL SUCK!!! OH THE HUMANITY
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiro_uspsss View Post
    +1

    again I say: thread deletion
    Benefits who?

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    Only problem I have with this thread is the title.. "Still Troubling".. Like it's been out for a year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R101 View Post
    Only problem I have with this thread is the title.. "Still Troubling".. Like it's been out for a year.
    & then there this:

    Quote Originally Posted by flippin_waffles View Post
    Uh oh. Are inetl's drivers not up to par again??

    now maybe I've been under a rock or something, but I'm pretty sure intel driver issues are rare(?) (so are AMD ones from what I know re: mobo chipset.. maybe not gpu)

    I think the op was so excited to find some bad news on the intel he hates so much, he spelt intel incorrectly
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    Intel Linux drivers have always sucked even more than AMD's.

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