Bulldoze that Sandy Bridge

[Sparky]

Bulldozer will beat Sandy Bridge by 5%. You read it here first.




No I have no idea how it will do. But, I hope for the best... because heck I'll want one I'm sure Would be nice if it dropped into my MSI GD70 but I figure it may be like AM2+ chips were - they "worked" in some AM2 boards but not too well.

[Ket]

^^ Well, assuming theres a BD that lacks quad channel memory support and no built-in IGP, theres no reason why BD can't come to AM3 AFAIK. The problem, is more with AMD and their willingness to do something like that.

[Sparky]

Am I the only one who doesn't like the idea of an IGP on the CPU? For some I guess it might be ok, but I don't care for it. For me, I'll never use IGP in the first place, so why pay for something that takes space and power when you're not gonna use it? Maybe the high end ones won't have it, as most people with a high-end CPU will be using a dedicated gfx card anyway.

[Movieman]

Am I the only one who doesn't like the idea of an IGP on the CPU? For some I guess it might be ok, but I don't care for it. For me, I'll never use IGP in the first place, so why pay for something that takes space and power when you're not gonna use it? Maybe the high end ones won't have it, as most people with a high-end CPU will be using a dedicated gfx card anyway.

We agree, I don't want IGP on the cpu asto me it's just a place where power is needed in a place where I don't need extra heat generated or power used.

[JF-AMD]

If i understand it wont be as efficent as two 'real' cores but instead of the 20% performance gain that HT gives intel with 20% more die space, AMD is hoping for more around 60-80% performance but with only around 40% increase in die space.


The front end on all chips is the lightest area used so hopefully by sharing it between core it will benefit performance/mm2.

Actually, the silicon space used by the second core amounts to ~5% additional silicon space, not 40%.

We will be delivering an 8-core bulldozer die in less space than the current 6-core dies.

^^ Well, assuming theres a BD that lacks quad channel memory support and no built-in IGP, theres no reason why BD can't come to AM3 AFAIK. The problem, is more with AMD and their willingness to do something like that.

It has nothing to do with willingness. For the most part, the only people that want AM3 are enthusiasts (few others ever upgrade processors). The problem with putting bulldozer in an AM3 socket is that it would compromise on performance and features, two things that the enthusiasts would want.

[Ket]

Am I the only one who doesn't like the idea of an IGP on the CPU? For some I guess it might be ok, but I don't care for it. For me, I'll never use IGP in the first place, so why pay for something that takes space and power when you're not gonna use it? Maybe the high end ones won't have it, as most people with a high-end CPU will be using a dedicated gfx card anyway.

+1. My thoughts exactly. I don't want to pay for something I'm never going to use. The only time I would accept a IGP in my CPU is if it did something useful.. like being able to set it to do physics through a driver or something.

[Movieman]

Actually, the silicon space used by the second core amounts to ~5% additional silicon space, not 40%.

We will be delivering an 8-core bulldozer die in less space than the current 6-core dies.



It has nothing to do with willingness. For the most part, the only people that want AM3 are enthusiasts (few others ever upgrade processors). The problem with putting bulldozer in an AM3 socket is that it would compromise on performance and features, two things that the enthusiasts would want.

Any news on the 16 core cpu's for the dualies or is that still off in the furture and under NDA?

[Ket]

It has nothing to do with willingness. For the most part, the only people that want AM3 are enthusiasts (few others ever upgrade processors). The problem with putting bulldozer in an AM3 socket is that it would compromise on performance and features, two things that the enthusiasts would want.

Really? Well would you know I'm a enthusiast and I don't give a crap about quad channel memory support or a built-in IGP. I want a balls-to-the-walls CPU. I don't want to pay for stuff I will never use (in the case of IGP) and as for quad channel memory, while it has some benefits obviously, their hardly earth-shattering.

[Movieman]

Really? Well would you know I'm a enthusiast and I don't give a crap about quad channel memory support or a built-in IGP. I want a balls-to-the-walls CPU.

Well thats TFB as they ain't making that!

[Ket]

Any news on the 16 core cpu's for the dualies or is that still off in the furture and under NDA?

16 core? Pfft. I want a 1000 core CPU by 2014

[Movieman]

16 core? Pfft. I want a 1000 core CPU by 2013

I'll be happy with a solid running 32 core system.
If they run as nice as the current 12 core MC chips they have a winner.
Seriously,had that system up since I think May at 100% load 24/7 and it is as stable as anyone could ask for and excellent temps..
I forgot:
Happy New Year to you!

[Ket]

Well thats TFB as they ain't making that!

Just means they won't get my money then One of the primary rules of business: give the customer what they want Ask anyone about the built-in IGP with BD and I bet you will get the same answer every time: Whats the point? Far as I've read AMD haven't even really said why they are putting a IGP in the CPU.

[Ket]

I'll be happy with a solid running 32 core system.
If they run as nice as the current 12 core MC chips they have a winner.
Seriously,had that system up since I think May at 100% load 24/7 and it is as stable as anyone could ask for and excellent temps..
I forgot:
Happy New Year to you!

I'm a CPU whore. Its about time the old dog had a 1000 personality complex under its hood and happy new year to you too my good man!

[Movieman]

I'm a CPU whore. Its about time the old dog had a 1000 personality complex under its hood and happy new year to you too my good man!

Well I do think we all will be waiting a long time before 1000 core chips arrive and at any price any blue collar person could afford.
To me right now I look for performance per watt of electrical use as my work is 24/7
Now I understand that I'm in the minority on this but I think you guys in GB and Europe should be looking at this also as your electrical costs run 2-3 times what ours do in the US.

[Ket]

Actually, thats not true of power usage for the 1000 core CPU. Heres a little copy/paste jobby from the article in my link ;

Although multi-core processors have made long strides in the last few years it appears that there is quite a long way to go until the technology reaches its full potential as one researcher form the University of Glasgow demonstrated when it built an 1,000 core chip that is 20 times faster than current desktop computers.

Furthermore, the resulting computer was greener than most present-day machines as its processor used far less power than most dual and quad-core CPUs available on the market.

In order to achieve this feat scientists relied on an FPGA chip (Field Programmable Gate Array), this type of processors being used for medical imaging, computer vision, speech recognition or cryptography applications as well as in aerospace and defense systems.

Compared to regular computer processors, FPGA chips can be configured into specific circuits by the user, enabling the team led by Dr Wim Vanderbauwhede, of the University of Glasgow, to divide the transistors in groups each performing a special task.

By creating more than 1000 mini-circuits, the developers were able to turn the chip into an 1,000 core CPU capable of processing around 5GB of data per second.

This makes it approximately 20 times faster than modern computers.

“FPGAs are not used within standard computers because they are fairly difficult to program but their processing power is huge while their energy consumption is very small because they are so much quicker - so they are also a greener option,” said Dr. Wim Vanderbauwhede to DailyMail.

Although this is only a very early proof-of-concept, Dr. Vanderbauwhede thinks these type of chips are to become more common in the future, speeding up computers even further over the next few years.

If everything goes well, the 1,000-core chip developed will be showcased at the International Symposium on Applied Reconfigurable Computing in March next year.

Thats what I call Epic win

[Movieman]

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Thats what I call Epic win

Yes, agreed and when I get one and test I'll post the numbers here!

[Ket]

I can only imagine you with a 1000 core CPU and what things you would make it do

[zalbard]

Yes, agreed and when I get one and test I'll post the numbers here!

The NDA might outlive you, though...

[Ket]

lol

[jeremyshaw]

Well, AMD and Intel and nVidia seem rather sure future loads will be ever more GPU heavy. For all I know, wPrime could be getting AVX instructions in the next update, even :p

Actually, the silicon space used by the second core amounts to ~5% additional silicon space, not 40%.

We will be delivering an 8-core bulldozer die in less space than the current 6-core dies.

Nice! How much did the process node change help? (or is that classified info?)

[ScottALot]

Kinda late for the whole IGP-talk: How much would an IGP influence heat? It'd be a minor part of the die, but GPUs in general output a lot of heat... which they can deal with, but CPUs can't.

[JF-AMD]

Any news on the 16 core cpu's for the dualies or is that still off in the furture and under NDA?

16-cores are in production in Q2 and launching in Q3.

[BeepBeep2]

^^ Well, assuming theres a BD that lacks quad channel memory support and no built-in IGP, theres no reason why BD can't come to AM3 AFAIK. The problem, is more with AMD and their willingness to do something like that.

Power planes(?)

[schoolslave]

I really wouldn't want an on-die integrated GPU.....
Are the higher end models going to be without this "feature"?

[BeepBeep2]

I really wouldn't want an on-die integrated GPU.....
Are the higher end models going to be without this "feature"?

Yeah, Orochi won't be an APU.