Intel HD 3000 review seems better than Zacate apu but not as good as Llano apu

[ajaidev]

"In our previous article,Weve showed you the performance of Sandy Bridge integrated GPU HD Graphic 2000 ,Today we will go on introduce the higher-end integrated graphics core HD Graphic 3000 to you."

http://en.hardspell.com/doc/enshowco...49&pageid=7742

Impressive better than 5450 for the most part, if i recall correctly Zacate APU was suppose to be just a bit slower than the 5450. So HD 3000 is a pretty good igp in my books off course i dont expect it to come near llano APU but still pretty good.

BTW Zacate will go against the Sandy bridge in reference to the CULV market but in most likely case the CULV will not sport a HD 3000 but a HD 2000 with Turbo. Off course i am not sure of it since i am on vacation and the last time i saw the board was 5-6 months ago when they were still considering a single core sandy bridge with HT for the CULV space.

[R101]

It all looks fine, but.. can it be overclocked?

[Shadov]

"In our previous article,Weve showed you the performance of Sandy Bridge integrated GPU HD Graphic 2000 ,Today we will go on introduce the higher-end integrated graphics core HD Graphic 3000 to you."

http://en.hardspell.com/doc/enshowco...49&pageid=7742

Impressive better than 5450 for the most part, if i recall correctly Zacate APU was suppose to be just a bit slower than the 5450. So HD 3000 is a pretty good igp in my books off course i dont expect it to come near llano APU but still pretty good.

BTW Zacate will go against the Sandy bridge in reference to the CULV market but in most likely case the CULV will not sport a HD 3000 but a HD 2000 with Turbo. Off course i am not sure of it since i am on vacation and the last time i saw the board was 5-6 months ago when they were still considering a single core sandy bridge with HT for the CULV space.

As far as I understand HD 2000 will be present in some of the CPUs Zacate is meant to go against and HD 3000 will be used in higher end parts (where it will be most likely rendered useless). That way isn't the title of the thread a bit misleading?

[RejZoR]

Performance wise, maybe. But i don't remember ANY Intel solution to offer any kind of FSAA, Anisotropic filtering was always poor or non existent, poor texture filtering. And even though AMD Streams aren't being utilized so much, at least there is an option. Where Intel has nothing like that (programmable computing on GPU). Not to mention driver support which is very poor for Intel.

[zerazax]

Zacate is in the 18W market and Ontario in the 9W market, so I have my doubt's we'll see the 3000 in those ranges. They'll have to go up against Llano

Impressive for Intel for sure, but their GPU side of the business has much work to do still

[Hornet331]

TDP are no markets...

Prices are, and zacate (e-series) is targeted for markets 399$/€+ notebooks. It only depends on how low SB will go and where they still contain a HD3000 or not. If there are going to be SB based i3s with HD3000 it will be hard to sell zacate in that segment, even with lower TDP.

But we have to see where Llano will be positioned.

[PatRaceTin]

i want some onboard that accel. my flash facebook games haha

[SpuTnicK]

It all looks fine, but.. can it be overclocked?

It has Turbo Boost technology too

[zalbard]

It all looks fine, but.. can it be overclocked?

Sure. People overclocking their PCs will grab a discrete video card, though.

[Drwho?]

Just keep in mind, on "resonable" resolution for those integrated solution, Conroe was 40% than a K8 on games like fear ... when you go low in resolution, CPU is as important as the GPU.
On higher resolution, memory subsystem will show their limits without a cache placed at the right spot ;-)

I think the driver is not up to date on this test ;-)

My 2 cents ...
Enjoy the end of the year!

Francois

[FlanK3r]

drwhoo: I have respect with this GPU in SB, but seriously, Llano APU will be more, more better than Zacate APU.

[informal]

To put it mildly,Llano will destroy SB's IGP. Not to say HD3000 is bad per se,it will just not be up to par with Llano's IGP ,that's all. Yes,even in low resolution gaming since we are talking about 3rd gen of Family 10h cores ,with IPC+clock improvements over Deneb.

[FlanK3r]

so, family 12h exactly

[Hornet331]

What i wonder how much EUs ivy brdige will have, if the can double the EUs again to 24 the prformance even should rival a GT220.

[rozzyroz]

this is all good and everything, but is it the future? i mean i think we are going to get to a point that we plug our cellphones into a dock, and that will be our pc/ gaming system. these new phones based on the tegra2 are looking pretty nice with their 1080p output and such.

what these guys should be concentrating on is a very low wattage setup for phones and the like, that can scale up when its plugged into the wall.

maybe my thinking is wrong, but from where im sitting, the typical desktop pc may be facing some competition.

[informal]

What i wonder how much EUs ivy brdige will have, if the can double the EUs again to 24 the prformance even should rival a GT220.

2x over SB is a pretty good estimate/guess. I think I even saw somewhere the 24EU being mentioned in some intel presentation,along with DX11 support.

[Hornet331]

Maybe... but with that much EUs i guess they will run into the memory bandwidth wall, even with the L3 shared cache.. Also Llano is still 6months into the future?

[informal]

They can improve the IMC on IB,like AMD is doing with Llano. Llano will have no common shared cache and I bet we will see pretty good results from its IGP(meaning there won't be that noticeable BW limitation since they wouldn't bother to integrated that many SIMDy cores in the first place ).

[Hornet331]

Your way to optimistic, Llano will have at most 90% of the bandwidth a dedicated 5570 has and shared memory controller never achive the same efficiency as dedicated ones. Not to mention that you can't overcome some physical limitations (traces to memory are way longer to your ram on the motherboard then on the graphic card itself etc.)

My guesstimation is it will be somewhere close to a GT220 but not close to a 5570.

My only problem with this review is, that they only use 384MB ram allocated for the IGP...

[ajaidev]

Off course llano will be much faster than HD 3000 its suppose to be. The fact that HD 3000 is so much faster than Zacate APU is delightful specially after internal GMA supporters were told that minimum graphic power is required and the only objective was to run the OS in all its glory aka eye candy.

[FreeRadical]

I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exhalted, every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight, and the glory of Crysis shall be revealed on an IGP, well atleast on 1024x768

[DarthShader]

On higher resolution, memory subsystem will show their limits without a cache placed at the right spot ;-)

So we are going to have 5 FPS with the cache instead of 3 FPS without? That's awesome!

[Nintendork]

Your way to optimistic, Llano will have at most 90% of the bandwidth a dedicated 5570 has and shared memory controller never achive the same efficiency as dedicated ones. Not to mention that you can't overcome some physical limitations (traces to memory are way longer to your ram on the motherboard then on the graphic card itself etc.)

My guesstimation is it will be somewhere close to a GT220 but not close to a 5570.

My only problem with this review is, that they only use 384MB ram allocated for the IGP...

¿GT220?

HD5570 is more than twice (near 3 times) a GT220. Even a bandwidth limited HD4650 DDR2 destroy a GT220. Remember, Llano comes in two flavors full SP for the tri/quadcores and half of them for the duals.

The low end Llano should be a bit faster than GT220, and the high end one two times that, minimum.

[Drwho?]

I don't think Liano will even get close ... but well ... I guess, i am not well informed ;-)

The Doctor.

[Spectrobozo]

I don't think Liano will even get close ... but well ... I guess, i am not well informed ;-)

The Doctor.

what?
Llano supposedly will have 400+ shaders, the HD5450 that is in the same level as the 12EU high clocked G3000 only have 80, and it is also slightly bandwidth limited I think with 1600mhz 64bit bus


I don't know how the mobile parts will perform, but I don't think it will be THAT impressive even against the Zacate when we go really low power, with lower clocks and 6EU?