STT Speed vs STT ProjectX

[BeepBeep2]

I dunno beep should you mix Rams ? i always heard that was a bad idea >.< and i'm pretty sure they won't dual channel are be anything at the enthusiast end that he wants going for the 2133C8... Aren't those the bad left overs :S more overpriced than what they really are ...

2133 C8 are basically the ones that didn't cut 2200 C8...

For example my 2200 C8 do 1600 6-6-6-18 @ 1.60v and nothing less. Pretty much leaves 2000 C8 and 1600 C6 behind.

IMO 2000 C8 are a different series so they probably arent binned. Speed/Project X were probably a set of chips set aside for binning and they just put random sets out as 2000C8.

In fact, binning or "listing" is really tight on some sticks, you might even need .01-.02v more to pull spec etc etc.

Mixing ram (different batches/models) isn't good in the long run.

[fl0w3n]

2133 C8 are basically the ones that didn't cut 2200 C8...

For example my 2200 C8 do 1600 6-6-6-18 @ 1.60v and nothing less. Pretty much leaves 2000 C8 and 1600 C6 behind.

IMO 2000 C8 are a different series so they probably arent binned. Speed/Project X were probably a set of chips set aside for binning and they just put random sets out as 2000C8.

In fact, binning or "listing" is really tight on some sticks, you might even need .01-.02v more to pull spec etc etc.

Mixing ram (different batches/models) isn't good in the long run.

Oh okay, so then I suppose I'll pass on your's and OCBal's 2200 CL8 offer
I am setting up an ultimate machine here, and would like to see if it can last untouched for at least a year abouts I will get a different benching rig eventually, but I want a solid gaming rig.



So, what ram should I be looking at then? I'd like something like 2200 CL8 or 1600 CL6 as it seems those would be pretty close in performance? Obviously the 2200 having more throughput?

Nothing on NewEgg seems to really match my criteria, besides G.Skill Pi maybe, but those seem like PSC chips? Not sure I am fond of OCZ.



Suggestions please? The main use is 24/7 use gaming, with a 4.2-4.5ghz w3520 (depending what the new loop allows) 4.2 QPI and I want the memory to match these performance levels.

[Johnny87au]

Oh okay, so then I suppose I'll pass on your's and OCBal's 2200 CL8 offer
I am setting up an ultimate machine here, and would like to see if it can last untouched for at least a year abouts I will get a different benching rig eventually, but I want a solid gaming rig.



So, what ram should I be looking at then? I'd like something like 2200 CL8 or 1600 CL6 as it seems those would be pretty close in performance? Obviously the 2200 having more throughput?

Nothing on NewEgg seems to really match my criteria, besides G.Skill Pi maybe, but those seem like PSC chips? Not sure I am fond of OCZ.



Suggestions please? The main use is 24/7 use gaming, with a 4.2-4.5ghz w3520 (depending what the new loop allows) 4.2 QPI and I want the memory to match these performance levels.

Why do you want Hypers anyways? They do clock good at higher MHZ dont get me wrong but they are mainly EOL, And besides Super talent arent the only make who make Mghe hypers, A-Data , Corsair etc, but its gonna be hard to find people selling them.. Why dont you go for some PSC chips? Ive seen some crazy G skill PI's 12GB---2164 6-9-6-24-88 1t 1.65 thats on air , heres link..

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=254036

[fl0w3n]

I'm not so set on Hypers, I just know I can't go wrong with them.

I am open to suggestions for ram that fits my criteria. Seems like you kinda are suggesting the G.Skill Pi kit I linked? Those seem to be the same one's in the test you linked...

If I could do 2k C6 I would be quite, quite happy especially for that price

[Blue Storm]

I'm not so set on Hypers, I just know I can't go wrong with them.

Yes, you canI don't know if with MGH-E, but with MNH-E yes. My ADATA XPG kit has very crappy MNH-E and they can't run 2000 MHz C8

[BeepBeep2]

Yes, you canI don't know if with MGH-E, but with MNH-E yes. My ADATA XPG kit has very crappy MNH-E and they can't run 2000 MHz C8

Not even 2000 8-9-8? That's pretty bad

[fl0w3n]

Yes, you canI don't know if with MGH-E, but with MNH-E yes. My ADATA XPG kit has very crappy MNH-E and they can't run 2000 MHz C8

I meant the newer MGH-E



So I think I will go with those G.Skill Pi 1600 CL6 rams then. I hope they just hold a high over clock for a long period of time

[BeepBeep2]

I meant the newer MGH-E



So I think I will go with those G.Skill Pi 1600 CL6 rams then. I hope they just hold a high over clock for a long period of time

Actually good MGH-E clocks worse than good MNH-E...but MGH-E is safer as far as dying.

[fl0w3n]

Actually good MGH-E clocks worse than good MNH-E...but MGH-E is safer as far as dying.

Ahh good to know haha. Like I said I'm new to super high end specifics of ram.

What do you think of the Pi kit beepbeep? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231352

[Blue Storm]

Not even 2000 8-9-8? That's pretty bad

1956 MHz 8-8-8-22 1T with 1.648V8-9-8 I haven't tested yet

[BeepBeep2]

Ahh good to know haha. Like I said I'm new to super high end specifics of ram.

What do you think of the Pi kit beepbeep? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231352

That's a good PSC kit. ...but if you can find their 2000 6-9-6 kit for a reasonable price it's probably the best.

[Hondacity]

BDBG are similar to PSC in performance.

not true...

[BeepBeep2]

not true...

From what I've seen it's able to do 2000 CAS 7, maybe 7-10-7...

By similar I suppose I meant "You must run the trcd up high to go faster, but it's not as bad as Samsung."...

http://i4memory.com/f83/6gb-kingston...testing-23624/
http://14752832.blog.hexun.com/60111870_d.html
http://www.benchzone.com/page.php?al...9AD3T1FK3&pg=5

So I doubt they will do 6-9-6 like high-bin PSC, my apologies on that. 7-9-7 looks within reach at less than 1.7v.

[fl0w3n]

That's a good PSC kit. ...but if you can find their 2000 6-9-6 kit for a reasonable price it's probably the best.

Quick search says they are no where.


I think I could be happy with the 1600 CL6. I just need to learn lots from you guys about timings

[Cecil]

If Im not mistaken, those pi sticks should be the same as the Mushkin Redlines you are selling, just in a tri-channle kit.

[fl0w3n]

That's a good PSC kit. ...but if you can find their 2000 6-9-6 kit for a reasonable price it's probably the best.

If Im not mistaken, those pi sticks should be the same as the Mushkin Redlines you are selling, just in a tri-channle kit.

I thought about that, but what else can I do?

[andressergio]

i have the stalents speed series 2200 C8 amazing ram i can do 4515 HT OFF stable on 1720 6-6-6-19 / trfc 72 at 1,68vdimm idle and 1,7 loaded (measured with DMM)

only thing that i dont like is "the fear" for the chips to die i hate this as you pay for good ram that you expect to go tight on timmings but well, i switched to 1720 7-7-7-20 uncore x17 1,66vdimm wich is very fast also

i tested a lot of PCS and BBSE but was on P45 would be nice to have a kit that goes 2000 C7 without suffering the volt thing, lilke the mushkins ridgeback that ma mate Oc nub tested

BeepBeep did you test your load vdimm on ya mobo ? as on gigabyte what you put on bios on vdimm is what it loads...it undervolts at idle, so when you say 1,75 would be idle at load should go ~ 1,77

cheers to all
Sergio

[BeepBeep2]

Quick search says they are no where.


I think I could be happy with the 1600 CL6. I just need to learn lots from you guys about timings

Well, they are here:
http://www.ditaqcomputer.com/product...4--DDR3-2.html

But cost same/more than the Hypers...lol

i have the stalents speed series 2200 C8 amazing ram i can do 4515 HT OFF stable on 1720 6-6-6-19 / trfc 72 at 1,68vdimm idle and 1,7 loaded (measured with DMM)

only thing that i dont like is "the fear" for the chips to die i hate this as you pay for good ram that you expect to go tight on timmings but well, i switched to 1720 7-7-7-20 uncore x17 1,66vdimm wich is very fast also

i tested a lot of PCS and BBSE but was on P45 would be nice to have a kit that goes 2000 C7 without suffering the volt thing, lilke the mushkins ridgeback that ma mate Oc nub tested

BeepBeep did you test your load vdimm on ya mobo ? as on gigabyte what you put on bios on vdimm is what it loads...it undervolts at idle, so when you say 1,75 would be idle at load should go ~ 1,77

cheers to all
Sergio

No, I didn't. My Gigabyte board doesn't like speeds above 1750...but my ASUS and Gigabyte board do clock the same at similar voltages. This board reads low in BIOS by about .0125v

[fl0w3n]

Well, they are here:
http://www.ditaqcomputer.com/product...4--DDR3-2.html

But cost same/more than the Hypers...lol

I saw that, but wasn't sure the validity of it...nor did I want that price hahah.

Any mushkin kits that are a 3x2 and comparable?

[andressergio]

No, I didn't. My Gigabyte board doesn't like speeds above 1750...but my ASUS and Gigabyte board do clock the same at similar voltages. This board reads low in BIOS by about .0125v

Yes but i think that its the way those hypers are binned, for ex on my EP45T would go 2000 CL9 on 1T whit PCS (gskill PI 2000 C6) and not with this hypers...not even boot at 2000 C10 or whatever they love to stay at 1600 - 1700 on C6 2T, on my X58A UD3R they do what i told you, maybe i have to adjust other param, dunno...

cheers
Sergio

[Shiranui Gen-An]

Yes, you canI don't know if with MGH-E, but with MNH-E yes. My ADATA XPG kit has very crappy MNH-E and they can't run 2000 MHz C8

The XPG kits with the crazy heatsink/cooler? I thought those were supposed to be good, I found I site that is selling 6GB kits of the 1866 C8 model for $215...

[Cecil]

I saw that, but wasn't sure the validity of it...nor did I want that price hahah.

Any mushkin kits that are a 3x2 and comparable?

http://www.overclock.net/intel-memor...00mhz-6-a.html

You can try to email Mushkin to get them,
http://www.mushkin.com/Memory/Ridgeback/998826.aspx

They were replaced with these,
http://www.amazon.com/Mushkin-Enhanc.../dp/B003TSTDM6

Not sure what exactly they are, but they could be sleepers.


For the price, these are probably pretty decent,
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820226030



These are what I have on the way for my i5,
http://www.amazon.com/Mushkin-Enhanc.../dp/B003TSTDLW
Anyone know what they use? Think they will do 8-9-8 at 2k, or 7-8-7 at 1800?

[fl0w3n]

http://www.overclock.net/intel-memor...00mhz-6-a.html

You can try to email Mushkin to get them,
http://www.mushkin.com/Memory/Ridgeback/998826.aspx

They were replaced with these,
http://www.amazon.com/Mushkin-Enhanc.../dp/B003TSTDM6

Not sure what exactly they are, but they could be sleepers.


For the price, these are probably pretty decent,
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820226030



These are what I have on the way for my i5,
http://www.amazon.com/Mushkin-Enhanc.../dp/B003TSTDLW
Anyone know what they use? Think they will do 8-9-8 at 2k, or 7-8-7 at 1800?

Thanks Cecil, just the type of help I was looking for. Good too, because I am fond of Mushkin (love that kit I still have )

Ironically, I just sent lsdmeasap a PM, him and I talk frequently and I asked for his assistance.

I'll talk to him about the availability of the kit he reviewed, and if not I may check out the kit that replaced those.

Thank you for your help.

[Blue Storm]

The XPG kits with the crazy heatsink/cooler? I thought those were supposed to be good, I found I site that is selling 6GB kits of the 1866 C8 model for $215...

yeah, ADATA with "crazy" heatsinkI don't know if I have very bad piece of kit, but they did very crappy frequenciesand yes, they have Elpida BASE Hyper MNH-E ICs

[Shiranui Gen-An]

yeah, ADATA with "crazy" heatsinkI don't know if I have very bad piece of kit, but they did very crappy frequenciesand yes, they have Elpida BASE Hyper MNH-E ICs

Odd, those are the sticks that Gigabyte chose for the GO OC 2010 finals, at least the 3x2GB 1866 kit...