@ heinz69 cant wait for antilles, really cant!! Bringing back memorys when AMD brang out the 5970 which was crown, looks like AMD is going to do it again!! Hope this time though they get drivers right because when i was rocking CF 5970s so much microstuttering it wasnt funny.. So this time please get the drivers right for a dual GPU card
Another thing I find funny is AMD/Intel would snipe any of our Moms on a grocery run if it meant good quarterly results, and you are forever whining about what feser did?
Unless they solve the afr rendering framerate inconsistency its gonna be the same microstutter experience for you most likely.Originally Posted by Johnny87au
Seems 10.12a improved 3DMark11 performance for me.
10.12 (8.801) - http://3dmark.com/3dm11/197922
10.12a (8.790.6.2) - http://3dmark.com/3dm11/202116
GPU score, 4938 vs 5137.
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Crunching away...
It looks like cayman still can't drive more than two of its dvi and hdmi ports at the same time. The card I bought didn't include a mini dp to regular dp adapter, either.
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You just can't win. If your product offers feature A instead of B, people will moan how A is stupid and it didn't offer B. If your product offers B instead of A, they'll likewise complain and rant about how anyone's retarded cousin could figure out A is what the market wants.
Main reason why i am against multi gpus , ever since they introduced the tech noone nvidia/amd/ati have not improved anything in that field, still needs profiles to work , still needs separate ram (not shared), microstutter ect
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ATI Tray Tools seems to cause a BSOD when it loads with Cayman installed. Might want to be careful, guys.
Also, what's the deal with CCC? It looks identical to the CCC I'm used to.
As a thread about any computer related subject has its length approach infinity, the likelihood and inevitability of a poorly constructed AMD vs. Intel fight also exponentially increases.
Likewise, the frequency of a car pseudoanalogy to explain a technical concept increases with thread length. This will make many people chuckle, as computer people are rarely knowledgeable about vehicular mechanics.
When confronted with a post that is contrary to what a poster likes, believes, or most often wants to be correct, the poster will pick out only minor details that are largely irrelevant in an attempt to shut out the conflicting idea. The core of the post will be left alone since it isn't easy to contradict what the person is actually saying.
When a poster cannot properly refute a post they do not like (as described above), the poster will most likely invent fictitious counter-points and/or begin to attack the other's credibility in feeble ways that are dramatic but irrelevant. Do not underestimate this tactic, as in the online world this will sway many observers. Do not forget: Correctness is decided only by what is said last, the most loudly, or with greatest repetition.
When it comes to computer news, 70% of Internet rumors are outright fabricated, 20% are inaccurate enough to simply be discarded, and about 10% are based in reality. Grains of salt--become familiar with them.
Remember: When debating online, everyone else is ALWAYS wrong if they do not agree with you!
Random Tip o' the Whatever
You just can't win. If your product offers feature A instead of B, people will moan how A is stupid and it didn't offer B. If your product offers B instead of A, they'll likewise complain and rant about how anyone's retarded cousin could figure out A is what the market wants.
Did you download this?
AMD Catalyst 10.12 Preview for Windows 7
https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206..._Win7_Dec7.exe
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Reality check
Microstering is not a problem with right system setup and game settings. It is old story, and it was mainly problem with older CrossFire and SLI cards.
I had the HD 4870 x2 no problem, the reason I bought the HD 5970 and now waiting for HD 6990.
I'm sure not an idiot to punish my self with microstutering if it was the case.
The microstuttering problem is old tale mostly repeated by people that never used the CrossFire or SLI with the newer cards edition or never had any CrossFire or SLI period.
I can safely bet that most people using SLI or CrossFire with the right setup have no such problem. Also I can safely bet the minute Nvidia comes out with dual GPU card, the problem will go away with some people.
Some people just have a HUGE problem to read something positive in this AMD Cayman doom and gloom review thread. Beside I was not even posting my own experience.
Go read again here or the other CrossFire review in the OP.
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Can't speak for 5970, but I had(still somehwere in a closet) GF 295 and my buddies had 4870X2, both had microstuttering in somegames. Now given many people had no idea they had it until pointed out to them , ignorance is a bliss as they say.
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Look, I agree with you. I am on the 'microstutter does exist but not everyone sees it, its a mountain out of molehill" side. Reason why I explicitly said.Unless they solve the afr rendering framerate inconsistency its gonna be the same microstutter experience for you most likely.
No long explanations needed for me. I can't speak for others experiences but its not a problem for me and never has been, but I believe people if they say they experience it just as long as they know the difference between micro stutter and regular stutter.
There were huge improvements since the HD 3870 the same goes for Nvidia compared to some of the older dual GPU sandwitch card.Main reason why i am against multi gpus , ever since they introduced the tech noone nvidia/amd/ati have not improved anything in that field, still needs profiles to work , still needs separate ram (not shared), microstutter ect
The AMD dual GPU cards have the same amount of GDDR5 per GPU as single card so how can that be problem?
The only way to get top performance graphic card setup is, SLI or CrossFire I prefer to have such on single card.
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I disagree on improvement but no matter not gonna argue about it.
If we had shared memory , A. we might get cheaper cards or B. we would get twice the amount of ram. Compared to current setup.
And yes sadly true. Kinda miss those one year 2x perf cycles.
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agree with you heinz, but i actually owned 2x 5970s both watercooled, microstutter only happened when i crossfired these suckers running a resolution of 5760x1200.. But yeah to many people rant when they've never even experienced microstutter lol
Another thing I find funny is AMD/Intel would snipe any of our Moms on a grocery run if it meant good quarterly results, and you are forever whining about what feser did?
microstutter is non existent with 2gb of memory.. haven't noticed anything yet..
this review confirms it:
http://benchmarkextreme.com/Articles...%202GB/P1.html
also shows 5870's with 2gb are closer to 69x0 performance at high res
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I'm seeing people returning their GTX580 then upgrading to a HD6950 CF for $50 more.
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I can certainly appreciate your opinion, but I encountered it and it wasn't on old hardware. I ended up selling my second Radeon 5850 because it didn't help at all. Framerates were up but so was the jerkiness, effectively making it harder to play competitive games instead of easier.
As a thread about any computer related subject has its length approach infinity, the likelihood and inevitability of a poorly constructed AMD vs. Intel fight also exponentially increases.
Likewise, the frequency of a car pseudoanalogy to explain a technical concept increases with thread length. This will make many people chuckle, as computer people are rarely knowledgeable about vehicular mechanics.
When confronted with a post that is contrary to what a poster likes, believes, or most often wants to be correct, the poster will pick out only minor details that are largely irrelevant in an attempt to shut out the conflicting idea. The core of the post will be left alone since it isn't easy to contradict what the person is actually saying.
When a poster cannot properly refute a post they do not like (as described above), the poster will most likely invent fictitious counter-points and/or begin to attack the other's credibility in feeble ways that are dramatic but irrelevant. Do not underestimate this tactic, as in the online world this will sway many observers. Do not forget: Correctness is decided only by what is said last, the most loudly, or with greatest repetition.
When it comes to computer news, 70% of Internet rumors are outright fabricated, 20% are inaccurate enough to simply be discarded, and about 10% are based in reality. Grains of salt--become familiar with them.
Remember: When debating online, everyone else is ALWAYS wrong if they do not agree with you!
Random Tip o' the Whatever
You just can't win. If your product offers feature A instead of B, people will moan how A is stupid and it didn't offer B. If your product offers B instead of A, they'll likewise complain and rant about how anyone's retarded cousin could figure out A is what the market wants.
I think the key to making cayman faster focusing drivers on the 6970 side of things.
From what I remember about the earlier series, alot of huge driver increases happened when they stopped designing drivers for the 1950xt and below series. Cayman is different so working on drivers so focused on utilizing 5 way shaders is going to hold them back. Having two different set of drivers for both companies I think would help both of them at this point.
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Gigabyte GTX 570 vs. Sapphire 6970 and 6950 vs. Radeon 5870 - All Overclocked
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/review...roduction.html
If you ignore the GTX 570 and just compare both Cayman's to 5870, just illustrates how badly optimized drivers are needed. I give them till March to get it right.
No, that review does not confirm it. They use average framerates and only mention texture load stutter. There are no 69x0 numbers in the review.
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Interesting review, shows that if you overclock a 5870 it will perform quite close to the 69xx. Meaning that the 69xx cards are a disappointment in performance.
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And I do believe that 800 core for the 570 is somewhat low if I take what many 480's can do at strock vgpu.
Or that the 58xx's have been heavily optimized over their life time
Look at 5870 scores at release (they trailed the 4870X2 in a lot of cases) and where they are today (no competition at all whose faster, the 5870 even nips on the 480 in certain cases)
HD 6970 CrossFireX Review
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=28056
http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/37...ire/index.html
Still seems rather underwhelming. Guess i'm sticking with my 5870 and just skipping this generation. Maybe there will be a refresh, though.
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