FCC: 68% of US broadband connections aren't broadband

[[XC] Lead Head]

I had a bandwidth monitor installed for kicks, just casual browsing and downloading stuff I easily went over 100GB/month. If I had tried, I'm sure I could have easily broken 500GB.

[mattkosem]

im trying to figure out exaclty what could of been dl in that month to push 1100gigs.

A HD movie that you can buy legit takes up about 1.5gb max(range from 1-1.5)

so thats buying 1,000 HD1080p movies
thats dl 2000 illegal dvd rips at 600mb give or take
god knows how many mp3s at 4 meg a song

are you hosting a server from your comcast acc?You fall in the 1% of people abusing there service.In your 1 month you used up more than I have in the past 2 years

1 hour of 720p content is over 2gb in size. HD is not 1.5gb.

No joke. A full length feature film at 1080p is ~8GB.

--Matt

[zalbard]

No joke. A full length feature film at 1080p is ~8GB.

Depends on the codec, can be up to 20GB... And if you want a copy of Blu-Ray itself then it's 25-50GB.
Imagine you're watching a single 1080p movie every day... Even at 8GB that makes 240GB a month without using the Internet for anything extra at all. With 15GB movies that's already 450GB...

[Skratch]

depends on the codec and bitrate,Iv rented movies off the plastation network and they were around 1 to 1.5 gb each,now the better the quality the closer your going to get to full 25gb bluray,but no one dl those anyways.

[[XC] Synthetickiller]

I had a bandwidth monitor installed for kicks, just casual browsing and downloading stuff I easily went over 100GB/month. If I had tried, I'm sure I could have easily broken 500GB.

Which one did you use? There's tons out there. I'm curious to check now lol.

Edit:

I downloaded a speed meter which is only measuring upload/download and NOT anything on the local network (streaming from PC to PC etc).

I'm downloading one file on torrents which is giving me about 1mb/sec or less & netflix is streaming an HD movie. That's it.

In a period of 19 minutes, I've downloaded 1.15 gigs.... HOLY ****!

[Stewie007]

I think I'm gonna install a bandwidth monitor.... I watch a lot of TV Shows and Movies via Netflix...... many of them streaming in 1080. I haven't gotten any letters from my ISP...

[[XC] Lead Head]

I forgot which one I had, but it monitored all traffic, local and internet.

[Sparky]

I manage to keep under 8 GB/month. And that is with a couple other people using it too, not just me.

Yes, it is hard. Yes, I wish I had more. But, I'm doing well to be able to use 8GB/month given that most on this internet plan (3G aircard) have a 5GB/month limit or expensive extra fees on top. I have no other choice were I live

[STEvil]

Around here aircard/cell based data plans are 3gb for $60 or so.

depends on the codec and bitrate,Iv rented movies off the plastation network and they were around 1 to 1.5 gb each,now the better the quality the closer your going to get to full 25gb bluray,but no one dl those anyways.

What if you rent the movie off a website/etc then download (temporarily) the BR off a torrent? Its not really illegal then, is it?


Anyways, I think the point has been sufficiently made: Quality takes up a lot of data

[Milky Way]

I pay 265 SEK ($40 USD) a month for 100/10. I get better upload rate than I pay for though (see signature).

Against US servers it's a little worse though. Like this:

[Skratch]

Around here aircard/cell based data plans are 3gb for $60 or so.



What if you rent the movie off a website/etc then download (temporarily) the BR off a torrent? Its not really illegal then, is it?


Anyways, I think the point has been sufficiently made: Quality takes up a lot of data

It is 100% illegal to rip a bluray disk,the content is encrypted for a reason my friend,it dosnt matter if you own it,the raw data is still illegal to get.

Try and use that in court when they sue you

[BeepBeep2]

I pay 265 SEK ($40 USD) a month for 100/10. I get better upload rate than I pay for though (see signature).

Against US servers it's a little worse though. Like this:

Sigh. This is $45 USD a month.

[STEvil]

It is 100% illegal to rip a bluray disk,the content is encrypted for a reason my friend,it dosnt matter if you own it,the raw data is still illegal to get.

Try and use that in court when they sue you

No, and here is why:

I can produce data all I want. I can put that data in BR medium if I chose. I can choose the rights I wish to have with that data. Someone else is fully legal to "rip" that media from a BR depending on the rights I chose.

Same goes for anyone else who wants to use BR or any high density storage medium. You cant simply say that data is illegal to have if it has come from a BR medium.

[Stewie007]

Bottom line is, if you rent a movie, rip it, that is violating not only a copyright agreement, but a rental agreement.

And yes, if you create your own disk and distribute it, you can chose the rights. Everybody knows that, and the Film Makers do too. They choose to keep you from getting something for a nominal price instead of paying for it. Think about it, if you buy a book, copy it, and then distribute it.... You will be sued by the publisher for that.

If you bought a BR, ripped it, and tossed it in the "back up pile" do you really think any one would bother prosecuting you? It wouldn't be worth much. Plus, they couldn't find out until you decide to distribute. Once you distribute someone's work - work that is not yours - then you are in violation of their copyright and they can sue you.

If you worked on something, lets say you wrote a book, and someone started making copies and distributed it for free, you would turn right around.

[Stewie007]

Bottom line is, if you rent a movie, rip it, that is violating not only a copyright agreement, but a rental agreement.

And yes, if you create your own disk and distribute it, you can chose the rights. Everybody knows that, and the Film Makers do too. They choose to keep you from getting something for a nominal price instead of paying for it. Think about it, if you buy a book, copy it, and then distribute it.... You will be sued by the publisher for that.

If you bought a BR, ripped it, and tossed it in the "back up pile" do you really think any one would bother prosecuting you? It wouldn't be worth much. Plus, they couldn't find out until you decide to distribute. Once you distribute someone's work - work that is not yours - then you are in violation of their copyright and they can sue you.

If you worked on something, lets say you wrote a book, and someone started making copies and distributed it for free, you would turn right around.

[STEvil]

Bottom line is, if you rent a movie, rip it, that is violating not only a copyright agreement, but a rental agreement.

And yes, if you create your own disk and distribute it, you can chose the rights. Everybody knows that, and the Film Makers do too. They choose to keep you from getting something for a nominal price instead of paying for it. Think about it, if you buy a book, copy it, and then distribute it.... You will be sued by the publisher for that.

If you bought a BR, ripped it, and tossed it in the "back up pile" do you really think any one would bother prosecuting you? It wouldn't be worth much. Plus, they couldn't find out until you decide to distribute. Once you distribute someone's work - work that is not yours - then you are in violation of their copyright and they can sue you.

If you worked on something, lets say you wrote a book, and someone started making copies and distributed it for free, you would turn right around.

The point is regardless of medium caps on data are only there to make money off the top end users.

Also I could rent a movie from a service provider but download a higher quality version to watch from somewhere else. Does that break the rental agreement?


also.. getting really close to thread closing territory

[Confuzzled]

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[Kurz]

No, it outlines Federal Powers. It is what created our 3 Branch system. One of those branches created these Administrative bodies, as it had a right to do so as granted by the powers that be. The Legislative Branch creates these Administrative Bodies and gives them the power. They, however, can only affect that which they were created to regulate. Anyone that has taken a Business Law class with 0 practicable abilities still has learned this.

Article I, Section 8.

"To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof."

Administrative Law is something that the courts uphold.

But lets say that the FCC begins to regulate this, and disbands the Anti-Competitive Agreements. How do you think that this would be remotely unconstitutional to say that "American Citizens should be granted all of the advantages of competition subjected to no Anti-Competitive Agreements."

Gee, that reads like something that came straight out of the "Good Book that the Tea Partiers Never Read."

Federal Law Supersedes State Law, so long as it is not Unconstitutional. I would like to see somebody say that about this.

Its called the Supremacy Clause.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necessa..._Proper_Clause

Belief in boundless power for the Federal Government how quaint.
Though the founders listed all those powers for a reason. Why would they list all those powers for congress then add a clause that people now interpret as saying...
You have the power to regulate everything and write laws for everything within the states domain?

[Sgt.McRuff]

60/down 6/up

I wonder if what time I'm using it affects my download, as 2/5 test my upload was faster than download.

To add some prices
internet about 76usd with discounts and before taxes(taxes are about 16%).

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[aztec]

How do you figure? It cost them a good bit of money to implement and maintain SDV and they only did it because they ran out of bandwidth completely. I doubt they would do that if they had "LOADS" to spare. Maybe you mean at the actual ISP level, sure they have plenty of bandwidth, but the problem is getting it to people's homes over their old copper lines. If they actually had the bandwidth it wouldn't be a Ponzi scheme, it's a Ponzi scheme because they oversold the bandwidth they can distribute by such a large amount and simply banked on their users never wanting to use their bandwidth at the same time.

How I figure is this, as one example:


"...as Andrew Odlyzko, a professor at the University of Minnesota and former AT&T Labs researcher, argues, “there is no evidence of wireline Internet traffic growing so fast as to require intrusive traffic interference to control it. … traffic growth rates have been declining, to levels slower than the rate of improvement of latest transmission equipment.”


and,


"Sandvine, an Ontario-based network services company, found that in the August-September 2010 period, North Americans gobbled up only one-third as much broadband video as users in the Asia-Pacific region; North Americans consumed an estimated 4 Gigabytes per month of Internet bandwidth whereas those in Asia-Pacific region used 12 Gigabytes."

http://www.alternet.org/media/149289...now_it/?page=3

The telecoms have always used the excuse of "high congestion" to keep rates artificially high or raise them. They also agreed in the Telecom Act of 1996 to installing FO/high-speed networks across the country. Hasn't happened yet because FCC doesn't force them to their end of the deal. If they have a copper bandwidth problem, they could get FO on the ISP-to-user end (like they have with their backbones) and make it affordable. Cost or return on investment is no excuse, because in the '96 Act, they also got the long-distance pie, and they receive gov't subsidies and tax breaks galore. They are swimming in profits.

AT&T alone has 500+ paid lobbyists in D.C. They are the largest campaign giver since records of campaign money has been kept. That doesn't count any of the other big fish. They can afford infrastructure expenditures.

But the telecoms are making tons of money the way things are. They figure why should they invest in infra unless they're made to? And with the FCC board members having worked for the telecom industry (or planning to return to them when they leave gov't), and with the recent Net Neutrality vote at FCC, the telecoms have that agency in their back pockets.

[Grafton]

between my wife and I we break the 125gb mark every month on our connection, I don't p2p anymore, streaming netflix ftw our average seems to be about 175gb per month

[Dahmer]

Blu-ray is just a storage medium, the material on them doesn't have to be copyrighted.

You're such a comedian

Either way I think there should always be an option to download in .mkv because I've tried both blu-ray and mkv on my tv and I have to sit too close to the tv to notice anything different.

Blu-ray = lots of wasted bandwidth.

As for my connection.
downspeed capped at 30 Mbps
upspeed capped at 1.25 Mbps
traffic/month capped at 100 GB

That in combination with digital tv, dvr, basic phoneline & mobile costs me about $90

ps :
Just a note for a few people here, b = bit and B = byte, stop confusing the hell out of me please :o

[DeadlyFire]

They have a 500gb warning limit if you do it everymonth.most people on here can't even download 500gb in one month even if they tried to 24/7.

500gb? I do around 10-15 TB per month consistently

[Skratch]

500gb? I do around 10-15 TB per month consistently

you download 500gigs a day?

hope you dont get sued bro,also what speed tier do you have?Im on comcasts fastest and cant do that even if I tried.

You would have to average like constant 6MB megabyts a second to pull that off,are you on a 100mb tier?

to word it so some that get confused with the mb,MB,Mb ect.

I can powerboost 200MB in about 1 min,12gigs in an hour,288 gigs in 1 day,thats 8tera a month!!!
even if I could power boost 24/7 with my 60mb connection I still cant get anywhere near what you hit in a month

so do you have like a 180mb/second tier?

[DeadlyFire]

you download 500gigs a day?

hope you dont get sued bro,also what speed tier do you have?Im on comcasts fastest and cant do that even if I tried.

You would have to average like constant 6MB megabyts a second to pull that off,are you on a 100mb tier?

to word it so some that get confused with the mb,MB,Mb ect.

I can powerboost 200MB in about 1 min,12gigs in an hour,288 gigs in 1 day,thats 8tera a month!!!
even if I could power boost 24/7 with my 60mb connection I still cant get anywhere near what you hit in a month

so do you have like a 180mb/second tier?

I'm on Verizon Fios 50mb tier(roughly 23 gigs/hour), all the bandwidth goes to the project in my sig and then some for newsgroups No data caps whatsoever and I've been running majestic-12 for about 3 years now. I can see why Verizon spent the $23 billion to upgrade their infrastructure, sorry cable!