GTX 560 Coming soon!

[kuroikenshi]

sounds like we might even see some overlaps between different class products

[sutyi]

No way will GTX 560 be anywhere near GTX 570. Even with full GF104 and 800+Mhz clocks it won't reach that level. Also upping the clocks means this card won't have much of an OC ability left. Most likely this will compete against 6950 at 300$ level.

Most likely the GPU clocks will be around ~770MHz. With the extra block enabled and the raised clocks it should be around the HD5870 / GTX 470 performance mark.

[DilTech]

Don't they need an official product to combat a 6870 first?

This thing wouldn't just compete... it'll MURDER the 6870. No speculation required on that, the 6870 couldn't keep up with a plain GTX 460 at those clocks, with the shaders bumped up like that it won't even be close.

[xdan]

2. GTX580's maximum overclock is around 900Mhz. How is it possible for a chip of the same architecture to have 875Mhz base clock? It's possible that shader-to-core clock ratio is reduced but then high clock doesn't tell anything about actual performance without knowing shader domain clock.

GTX 460 achieved high clocks because of the smaller die-size and because of the less tranzistor.
Combine this with the tweaked GF110 silicon and you will have even higher clocks.
And by the way GTX 570 have a 219W TDP and it's a huge chip, 529mm2.
Think a 350mm2 chip what TDP will have.
And probably the GTX 560 will have a higher voltage than GTX 460, but still almost same oc. headrom.
Still Nvidia is starting to equal Amd in Gpu frecuencys, GTX 560 might do this(only 6870 at 900Mhz will be higher), and we know, clock/clock Nvidia is a little faster.

[sergiojr]

GTX 460 achieved high clocks because of the smaller die-size and because of the less tranzistor.
Combine this with the tweaked GF110 silicon and you will have even higher clocks.

GTX460 achieved clocks similar to GTX580 because GF104 already has most of the tweaks included in GF110. So any further increase is possible, but it'll be not as large as before.

[DilTech]

GTX460 achieved clocks similar to GTX580 because GF104 already has most of the tweaks included in GF110. So any further increase is possible, but it'll be not as large as before.

I'm pretty sure the GF104 didn't have the actual changes in transistors that the GF110 did. The GF104 just removed a lot of the features geared towards professional use, which cut down the transistor count by a fair margin.

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty doubtful of it. The power usage would've been quite a bit lower on the GTX460 had that been the case.

Care to provide a link with such statements?

[Thraxis]

Anyone know how valid the date is? Was looking at self gifting a 460 for the holidays, and have been putting it off due to bills and such but with this possibly coming late January, I'd be willing to hold off just a bit more and be a little more frugal anyhow for a better product.

[Pantsu]

Given it's just a rumor from China I wouldn't hold my breath just yet. Of course I don't really see why Nvidia would need to wait so January might be entirely possible.

[Olivon]

875 MHs seems really high, 30% compared to TGX 460

[highoctane]

A full 384 shaders even in the mid 7xx clock range would be a nice very competitive piece of gpu. I would imagine if they do offer 875 as a std clock they will probably also have a number of scaled down core configs to fill the void down to what would be the 550.

[[XC] hipno650]

Given it's just a rumor from China I wouldn't hold my breath just yet. Of course I don't really see why Nvidia would need to wait so January might be entirely possible.

well considering the GTX 580 and GTX 570 were "rumors from China" and merely weeks after are on store shelves. It seems like Nvidia has been pulling allot or new GPU's out of no-ware lately. maybe we will get lucky and it will be around shortly, we could use a good GPU to occupy the gap between the GTX 470 and the 6950

[vengance_01]

Very nice. What would it take to match a 470@800/1600/1848? I love my 470, but it dumps so much heat into my case.

[chispy]

Sounds interesting , lets hope it does not take 6 months to be available

[aintz]

hopefully this comes out before my 5870 dies. all i know is im never buying ati again, cant handle the proness of the drivers.

[Tha Last Meal]

Another rumor say that this card GTX 560 will come Officially with These frequencies : 820/1640/2000MHz, As we knew from beginning this card will use core GF114 and will have 384 CUDA core and this card will Release in January 20. the New information Talk about this card that will come 38% faster than GTX 460 1GB !!



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[DarthShader]

That would put it on roughly equal terms as 6950 and ca. 10% slower than a GTX570 - which might hurt it sales. Otoh, they will finally be able to ask a decent price for the GTX560.

[DilTech]

Even at 820mhz this thing is going to take heads if it's priced similar to what we saw out of the 460 at launch. I'm expecting ~$250, not $300 like the 6950... To give you an idea, 800mhz on a GTX460 easily traded blows with a GTX 470. Adding those extra shaders should make this come extremely close to the GTX570. Overclocking will DEFINITELY catch the GTX570, and lucky cards should actually be able to PASS that card.

Fwiw, you already know palit will likely make a 2gb version of this, much like they did with the 460. Should help for those of you who demand top-resolution, seeing as how overclocking will probably allow you to hit the performance level where the ram can actually be put to use. Might be worth keeping an eye on, considering these days the price difference is $10 between the 1gb and 2gb(at microcenter, check yourself).

Either way, those eyeing the 6950 might be wise to wait it off for this release, merely to drop the price of the 6950 if nothing else. Even if you're already decided upon the 6950 and nothing can change your mind on it, if this is priced like I think it'll be we should see some big price drops on that card next month.

[the finisher]

This seems likely.

[tajoh111]

I think AMD obvious response would be a 1gb 6950. Could definitely be sold around the 250 region.

[Calmatory]

1) I'm almost drooling; 875 MHz would definitely be great.
2) Comparing Nvidia's TDP and AMD's Max Board Power is like comparing apples to oranges. They mean completely different things and can not be compared 1:1. I would say that Nvidia's ~180 W TDP is AMD's ~225 W MBP. The reasoning is that Max Board Power literally means the maximum power draw sustained by the whole product, while TDP means just the thermal load put on the cooling solution to sustain while keeping the GPU/other parts temperature below the maximum junction temperature. I made a quite long post about this some weeks ago and compared 5970 and GTX 480; it was clear that Nvidia's TDP is much closer to the typical power draw than AMD's Max Board Power, which is more or less the "theoretical max" set by the manufacturer and controller by the power management.

Thus said; If GTX 560 can increase the perf/W and put pressure on AMD then I'm more than happy; everybody wins.

[LexDiamonds]

The killer feature for me on this card will be full bitstreaming of HD audio streams over HDMI. Because it is based on GF104, it is logical to assume it will include this feature.

I would have bought a GTX570 already, but they have not added this feature into GF110 for whatever reason and that is a huge dissapointment. This upcoming GTX560 will be the first card to offer upper mid-range performance AND include the audio bitstreaming.

I know I am in the minority as one who runs everything thru a A/V reciever, but this is a make or break feature for me. The 6950/6970 are also appealing because they include this, but I will wait to see how the GTX560 stacks up before deciding.

[Nintendork]

Even at 820mhz this thing is going to take heads if it's priced similar to what we saw out of the 460 at launch. I'm expecting ~$250, not $300 like the 6950... To give you an idea, 800mhz on a GTX460 easily traded blows with a GTX 470. Adding those extra shaders should make this come extremely close to the GTX570. Overclocking will DEFINITELY catch the GTX570, and lucky cards should actually be able to PASS that card.

Fwiw, you already know palit will likely make a 2gb version of this, much like they did with the 460. Should help for those of you who demand top-resolution, seeing as how overclocking will probably allow you to hit the performance level where the ram can actually be put to use. Might be worth keeping an eye on, considering these days the price difference is $10 between the 1gb and 2gb(at microcenter, check yourself).

Either way, those eyeing the 6950 might be wise to wait it off for this release, merely to drop the price of the 6950 if nothing else. Even if you're already decided upon the 6950 and nothing can change your mind on it, if this is priced like I think it'll be we should see some big price drops on that card next month.

Regular 6950 will probably keep it's price. They can release a 1GB version for less price.

HD6950 2GB $299
HD6950 1GB $269?

With the release of 6950 current 6870 doesn't make any sense. Rumors point some price-cuts in january.

[Borden]

specs out



http://bbs.expreview.com/thread-38732-1-1.html

[zalbard]

Not surprising.
Looks good, though! The clocks are quite high. Now if someone released non-reference 2GB versions of these...

Edit: GPU-Z 0.4.8 does not know GTX560, so I am referring just to the clocks.

[DilTech]

Not surprising.
Looks good, though! The clocks are quite high. Now if someone released non-reference 2GB versions of these...

Edit: GPU-Z 0.4.8 does not know GTX560, so I am referring just to the clocks.

I am pretty much promising that palit will make a 2gb version of this, much like they did with the GTX460.

Frankly speaking, I'd be in shock if they didn't.

Regular 6950 will probably keep it's price. They can release a 1GB version for less price.

HD6950 2GB $299
HD6950 1GB $269?

With the release of 6950 current 6870 doesn't make any sense. Rumors point some price-cuts in january.

If NVidia hits the expected $249 mark with the GTX560 then even at $269 the 1gb card will still be over-priced if this card performs as it would seem like it should. For $269 you'll probably be able to get a 2gb GTX 560.

Like I said, AMD will probably have to drop their 6950 prices. The 6870 and 6850 will be forced to the $199 and $149 brackets as well I would think, as obviously the remaining GTX 460's will end up dropping in price to make room and clear stock.

Essentially, no matter which brand you plan on buying from, if you're eyeing the mid-range($150-300 bracket) it'll be worth your while to wait for this card's release, even if for some reason you refuse to ever buy a NVidia card. Bit-tech kind of beat around the bush about it in their 6950 review by saying that if you wait a little longer you may be handsomely rewarded.